Time zones in announcements

Grizzbeorn

JN_Slevin wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

JN_Slevin wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

You mean like this?

Yes! Exactly! Can we get that format to everything that devs say where a specific time is in the subject?

Can you not learn the difference between Eastern US time and UTC once, and then recall that info when needed?

Thats not the point. Why am i needed to? Can you not survive with UTC in the announcements?

Uhh, yeah, I can.
I'm not the one who has problems with converting time zones.

ZOS_GinaBruno

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. That post was written in haste but we can absolutely include UTC in future messaging (and will even edit the existing one for clarity).

ziggy29

ApoAlaia wrote: »

By that logic, why not just use UTC and let everyone do the math?

Except people in the UK. Why do they get special treatment? Why don't they have to do the math like everyone else?

ApoAlaia

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. That post was written in haste but we can absolutely include UTC in future messaging (and will even edit the existing one for clarity).

Thanks Gina, much appreciated.

InappropriateMount

To those who don't see a problem with times being in EDT only - what's the issue of ZOS being nice on forum posts and including UTC as well? If we can take like 30s to work it out, why can't they and do something nice for a good portion of the player base?

They do it in the banner, why not the posts too?

JN_Slevin

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, everyone. That post was written in haste but we can absolutely include UTC in future messaging (and will even edit the existing one for clarity).

This would be absolutely amazing and would save the EU people so much time!

I know you're probably quite busy atm. Thank you very much for that!

Concrete

Times Zones. whatever.

Seems what everyone is missing; THE FIX for the Maintenance to FIX a couple things, is longer than the the original.

heinousmoz

Thank you Gina. The EU playerbase apprecaites the repsonse and consideration.

Troodon80

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

Can you not learn the difference between Eastern US time and UTC once, and then recall that info when needed?

Can't ZOS just do the base UTC and you work out your timezone from that? It's a silly point to try and make.

Snamyap

heinousmoz wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

The European player base is spread out over several time zones. I have to look up UTC just as I have to look up EDT.

The US has more than 1 time zone too but they can put EDT in their posts...

It's probably where the people working on the servers are based. /shrug. But, I guess it would be more appropriate to only use UTC, because that is what it apparently was conceived for.

ApoAlaia

ziggy29 wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

By that logic, why not just use UTC and let everyone do the math?

Except people in the UK. Why do they get special treatment? Why don't they have to do the math like everyone else?

We have to, BST is UTC+1

Varana

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

ApoAlaia wrote: »

Which of course is locked and cannot be commented in and does not, in fact, contain UTC time.

It isn't possible to learn the difference in specific time zones and then use that info in the future when an example is quite often on display at the top of the forum?

Which is why they should post in UTC only.

ziggy29

Concrete wrote: »

Times Zones. whatever.

Seems what everyone is missing; THE FIX for the Maintenance to FIX a couple things, is longer than the the original.

In my experience in a former life as a Unix systems administrator and Oracle database administrator, I can tell you that this is almost always the case. Backout and recovery almost always take longer than deploying the mistake that made it into the code.

Firstmep

You know the servers are down when theres a 2 pages discussion about converting time zones in a forum announcement

Troodon80

Firstmep wrote: »

You know the servers are down when theres a 2 pages discussion about converting time zones in a forum announcement

We could start another "There are too many fake tanks" discussion if you prefer. :P

qcell

@ZOS_GinaBruno
You should make announcements in a EU-friendly timezone (CET/CEST) instead of UTC. Below a list of countries currently on UTC+0 and CET/CEST:

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UTC+0
Azores Burkina Faso Bobo-Dioulasso Ouagadougou Ghana Accra Kumasi Greenland Ittoqqortoormiit Guinea Conakry Nzérékoré Guinea-Bissau Bafatá Bissau Iceland Reykjavik Ivory Coast Abidjan Bouaké Yamoussoukro Liberia Monrovia Mali Bamako Sikasso Mauritania Nouadhibou Nouakchott Saint Helena Jamestown Senegal Dakar Touba Sierra Leone Bo Freetown São Tomé and Príncipe The Gambia Banjul Togo Lomé Sokodé

---

CET/CEST
Where and When is CEST Observed?
European countries using CEST in the summer and CET in the winter:
Albania
Andorra
Austria
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark (mainland)
France
Germany
Gibraltar
Holy See/Vatican City
Hungary
Italy
Kosovo
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Macedonia, Republic of
Malta
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain - except Canary Islands, which are on WET/WEST
Sweden
Switzerland

vulonsil

EDT or UTC I still have to google it. CET and CEST are the only ones I can translate without googling most of the time, since that's the time zone I've been translating from since I was a kid.

You'd think that there was a way to add a second time which converts to the reader's computer's time zone like Discord has, though. That way you'd have the original AND the translated time. (and can manually convert the original in case the machine translated time is incorrect for some reason.)

Hapexamendios

Living in Japan I don't care what time zone they put announcements in, I'm still going to have to either remember the difference or use Google.

deleted221205-002626

It wont matter which time zone they use its only ideal for those in that timezone and rest of the world has todo the math.. IMO were lucky to get 2 readings majority of the time.

Amottica

Katheriah wrote: »

I think they mean in the update about the current maintenance where it states EDT only to announce they will be offline into EU primetime.

When asking for Zenimax to offer more clarity, it is best to be clear about the target of the change. Zenimax may not want to get into the guessing game.

opalcity

ApoAlaia wrote: »

opalcity wrote: »

It was a minor oversight at best.

Besides, it's not that hard to look at the post that says 4pm EDT, then scroll up to the banner and use those times to work it out for yourself. The banner says "6:00PM EDT (22:00 UTC)" so 4pm EDT is 8pm UTC.

By that logic, why not just use UTC and let everyone do the math?

Let the banner say 22:00 UTC and let everyone work it out by themselves.

If the reverse had happened, with the time had been stated in UTC, and someone complained that it wasn't in EDT, I would have still told them to do the simple math needed to work it out. Which way around is irrelevant.

My point is, there was a simple common-sense solution without needing to do much more than scroll up and subtract two.

Concrete

Just took me 15 seconds to convert my time zone to 'Coordinated Universal Time' UTC.

The inconvenience was bearable.

dmnqwk

qcell wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
You should make announcements in a EU-friendly timezone (CET/CEST) instead of UTC. Below a list of countries currently on UTC+0 and CET/CEST:

---

UTC+0
Azores Burkina Faso Bobo-Dioulasso Ouagadougou Ghana Accra Kumasi Greenland Ittoqqortoormiit Guinea Conakry Nzérékoré Guinea-Bissau Bafatá Bissau Iceland Reykjavik Ivory Coast Abidjan Bouaké Yamoussoukro Liberia Monrovia Mali Bamako Sikasso Mauritania Nouadhibou Nouakchott Saint Helena Jamestown Senegal Dakar Touba Sierra Leone Bo Freetown São Tomé and Príncipe The Gambia Banjul Togo Lomé Sokodé

---

CET/CEST
Where and When is CEST Observed?
European countries using CEST in the summer and CET in the winter:
Albania
Andorra
Austria
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark (mainland)
France
Germany
Gibraltar
Holy See/Vatican City
Hungary
Italy
Kosovo
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Macedonia, Republic of
Malta
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain - except Canary Islands, which are on WET/WEST
Sweden
Switzerland

This is a strange post and absolutely not one I would EVER support!

1. CET and CEST have nothing to do with the gaming company who runs this. Expecting them to only use a foreign system would see EVERYBODY demand their system is used.
2. CET and CEST are two timezones, altered based upon daylight savings. Not all countries celebrate/use daylight savings, and changing announcements based on an arbitrary alteration isn't exactly fair on countries who do not use this
3. Listing a bunch of countries and not including the total population shows bias against countries with a large population (like the US, India or China). A fair system would never attempt to do this, it would use population only for consideration.
4. You list CET and CEST, two time zones, but compare it to a bunch of countries against only CEST. Where is the UTC +0 list for comparison while it's CET? It's awful bias being used here and not helpful! You should've included the list of UTC +1 countries for the direct comparison to CEST AND included a list of which of those countries do not use Daylight Savings for accurate comparisons.

So, in summation, Using a changing two-timezone system on a whim only would be absolutely AWFUL, biased and worse than if they never fix Maras Balm.

marius_buys

ZOS please adopt a standard format for time that is familiar to both NA and EU users for all your communications, regardless of if it is for the NA or EU server.

Example
The server will only be up Wed 19:00 ET (Wed 23:00 UTC)

qcell

dmnqwk wrote: »

qcell wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
You should make announcements in a EU-friendly timezone (CET/CEST) instead of UTC. Below a list of countries currently on UTC+0 and CET/CEST:

---

UTC+0
Azores Burkina Faso Bobo-Dioulasso Ouagadougou Ghana Accra Kumasi Greenland Ittoqqortoormiit Guinea Conakry Nzérékoré Guinea-Bissau Bafatá Bissau Iceland Reykjavik Ivory Coast Abidjan Bouaké Yamoussoukro Liberia Monrovia Mali Bamako Sikasso Mauritania Nouadhibou Nouakchott Saint Helena Jamestown Senegal Dakar Touba Sierra Leone Bo Freetown São Tomé and Príncipe The Gambia Banjul Togo Lomé Sokodé

---

CET/CEST
Where and When is CEST Observed?
European countries using CEST in the summer and CET in the winter:
Albania
Andorra
Austria
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark (mainland)
France
Germany
Gibraltar
Holy See/Vatican City
Hungary
Italy
Kosovo
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Macedonia, Republic of
Malta
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain - except Canary Islands, which are on WET/WEST
Sweden
Switzerland

This is a strange post and absolutely not one I would EVER support!

1. CET and CEST have nothing to do with the gaming company who runs this. Expecting them to only use a foreign system would see EVERYBODY demand their system is used.
2. CET and CEST are two timezones, altered based upon daylight savings. Not all countries celebrate/use daylight savings, and changing announcements based on an arbitrary alteration isn't exactly fair on countries who do not use this
3. Listing a bunch of countries and not including the total population shows bias against countries with a large population (like the US, India or China). A fair system would never attempt to do this, it would use population only for consideration.
4. You list CET and CEST, two time zones, but compare it to a bunch of countries against only CEST. Where is the UTC +0 list for comparison while it's CET? It's awful bias being used here and not helpful! You should've included the list of UTC +1 countries for the direct comparison to CEST AND included a list of which of those countries do not use Daylight Savings for accurate comparisons.

So, in summation, Using a changing two-timezone system on a whim only would be absolutely AWFUL, biased and worse than if they never fix Maras Balm.

Check the timezones they use. They're using EST and EDT which works the same way as CEST/CET.

TaSheen

I have a second clock set up to display UTC. Auto displays when I click on the "calendar corner" in Windows. Simple. Don't know if you can do that on console, as I've never owned (or wanted to own) one.

Granamere

They should move to Swatch time!

https://www.swatch.com/en-us/internet-time.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time

FluffyBird

qcell wrote: »

You should make announcements in a EU-friendly timezone (CET/CEST) instead of UTC.

"My time zone is the best so everyone must google what time it is and how to convert it to their time"
Wake up, it's 2022, people already have internet outside Europe

deleted221205-002626

Maybe they're using timezones from where the servers actually are physically located which might be the fairest way to do it!

Hamish999

TaSheen wrote: »

I have a second clock set up to display UTC. Auto displays when I click on the "calendar corner" in Windows. Simple. Don't know if you can do that on console, as I've never owned (or wanted to own) one.

Thanks for the info, I didn't know you could do this in Windows and have now set up a UTC clock that displays when I click on the taskbar clock