Surveys need an update

FlopsyPrince · October 2022

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

Auldwulfe · October 2022

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

I fail to see how surveys are a problem.

At least a problem that ZOS should address.

To me it seems that having loads and loads of surveys is a player made issue. As in, if I didn't do loads of crafting quests and just let the surveys stack in inventory then it's a problem I created for myself.

Look at it this way. Surveys as a whole are already the laziest way to farm mats without paying someone else to do the farming for you. You can in a matter of minutes collect more raw materials than you can in the open world. I challenge you to try it. Test me on it.

Also, as far as trashing surveys? No one I know trashes any surveys other than a few that trash enchanting surveys at most what they do is let them stack.

Crafting writs are already the fastest way to make gold in this game, the time spent to go do surveys is a balancing method.

As far as "solutions" go. I will suggest the same thing I have on other such threads about this topic. Simply this. Make surveys tradeable and thus sellable. That way those that farm can get a boon and those that hate surveys can get gold.

It's a reasonable solution that doesn't impact the time investment needed to complete them.

In a way, I am already turning many of my surveys into gold, as I sell a LOT of ingredients ..... I almost always get a good amount of heartwood doing them, and we all know how fast that can sell.......

They are annoying, I do agree with that, and it would be AWESOME if we could just sell them directly in guild stores.... I think that would be the best solution. That way, the people that DON'T want to do them can still get some reward for them, other than just the feeling of clicking a delete button..... while the others that do them can also get satisfaction.......

And it would end the back and forth, as well.

Auldwulfe

Heartrage · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

@FlopsyPrince

Not Zos, op was posting about their opinion on surveys and the guy I was responding to was accusing op of forcing other peoples to have his opinion and of telling them how to think.

wolfie1.0. · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

I can't speak for everyone, but here are some personal sentiments:

-I never delete my surveys, not even the enchanting ones
-I mostly enjoy gathering them. It's peaceful and I feel like the mats are nice rewards.
-Returning to get a second copy doesn't bother me either

-I wish the surveys didn't take up inventory space. I prefer to do them in clumps, when I'm in the mood to do them
-I wish some of the extra annoying spots in Wrothgar and Craglorn especially could be revisited

-I would be fine with any QoL changes as long as they didn't reduce the loot gained or ruin the experience of gathering the surveys for people who enjoy them.

Allowing you to reset a spot when you have gathered all 6 would be helpful, a method without requiring running away an indeterminate distance.

One thing that is annoying me a LOT lately is that I often get in the "not harvesting mode" when collecting them. Probably some timer in the system, but it is really annoying to press -e- to gather and stand around and do nothing! This is aggravated when you are picking up many surveys.

The node interaction issue has been reported to ZOS its just a matter of fixing the bug. And no its not limited to survey nodes.

One of the very likely reasons you have to travel out of frame to reset the nodes is probably to avoid exploits/duplicating/bugs/ and the like. It might not be possible to make it faster.

As for character use. Well ZOS has been making changes that have made the appeal of having more than one character more redundant than ever. Between armory system, item set collecting, and account wide achievements I find that many of my characters just don't get played or have a purpose other than writs or storage.

Even with just the base 8 character slots its not that hard to dedicate a character to holding just surveys if you need to.

Maybe, as someone suggested they come out with a unique storage place for them that's account wide. I could see that having appeal.

I still maintain though that players should be required to go to the locations and interact to redeem them.

FlopsyPrince · October 2022

Heartrage wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

@FlopsyPrince

Not Zos, op was posting about their opinion on surveys and the guy I was responding to was accusing op of forcing other peoples to have his opinion and of telling them how to think.

Then I misread the post. I do wish ZOS would speak up on this and some other QoL issues, but I have not seen that yet.

FlopsyPrince · October 2022

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

I can't speak for everyone, but here are some personal sentiments:

-I never delete my surveys, not even the enchanting ones
-I mostly enjoy gathering them. It's peaceful and I feel like the mats are nice rewards.
-Returning to get a second copy doesn't bother me either

-I wish the surveys didn't take up inventory space. I prefer to do them in clumps, when I'm in the mood to do them
-I wish some of the extra annoying spots in Wrothgar and Craglorn especially could be revisited

-I would be fine with any QoL changes as long as they didn't reduce the loot gained or ruin the experience of gathering the surveys for people who enjoy them.

Allowing you to reset a spot when you have gathered all 6 would be helpful, a method without requiring running away an indeterminate distance.

One thing that is annoying me a LOT lately is that I often get in the "not harvesting mode" when collecting them. Probably some timer in the system, but it is really annoying to press -e- to gather and stand around and do nothing! This is aggravated when you are picking up many surveys.

The node interaction issue has been reported to ZOS its just a matter of fixing the bug. And no its not limited to survey nodes.

One of the very likely reasons you have to travel out of frame to reset the nodes is probably to avoid exploits/duplicating/bugs/ and the like. It might not be possible to make it faster.

As for character use. Well ZOS has been making changes that have made the appeal of having more than one character more redundant than ever. Between armory system, item set collecting, and account wide achievements I find that many of my characters just don't get played or have a purpose other than writs or storage.

Even with just the base 8 character slots its not that hard to dedicate a character to holding just surveys if you need to.

Maybe, as someone suggested they come out with a unique storage place for them that's account wide. I could see that having appeal.

I still maintain though that players should be required to go to the locations and interact to redeem them.

Then allow a non-exploitable way to gather them all without the running away or zoning to an unowned house or such.

hrothbern · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

I can't speak for everyone, but here are some personal sentiments:

-I never delete my surveys, not even the enchanting ones
-I mostly enjoy gathering them. It's peaceful and I feel like the mats are nice rewards.
-Returning to get a second copy doesn't bother me either

-I wish the surveys didn't take up inventory space. I prefer to do them in clumps, when I'm in the mood to do them
-I wish some of the extra annoying spots in Wrothgar and Craglorn especially could be revisited

-I would be fine with any QoL changes as long as they didn't reduce the loot gained or ruin the experience of gathering the surveys for people who enjoy them.

Allowing you to reset a spot when you have gathered all 6 would be helpful, a method without requiring running away an indeterminate distance.

One thing that is annoying me a LOT lately is that I often get in the "not harvesting mode" when collecting them. Probably some timer in the system, but it is really annoying to press -e- to gather and stand around and do nothing! This is aggravated when you are picking up many surveys.

The node interaction issue has been reported to ZOS its just a matter of fixing the bug. And no its not limited to survey nodes.

One of the very likely reasons you have to travel out of frame to reset the nodes is probably to avoid exploits/duplicating/bugs/ and the like. It might not be possible to make it faster.

As for character use. Well ZOS has been making changes that have made the appeal of having more than one character more redundant than ever. Between armory system, item set collecting, and account wide achievements I find that many of my characters just don't get played or have a purpose other than writs or storage.

Even with just the base 8 character slots its not that hard to dedicate a character to holding just surveys if you need to.

Maybe, as someone suggested they come out with a unique storage place for them that's account wide. I could see that having appeal.

I still maintain though that players should be required to go to the locations and interact to redeem them.

Then allow a non-exploitable way to gather them all without the running away or zoning to an unowned house or such.

The work-arounds of re-loading and re-zoning are a burden for server capacities and have for sure nothing to do with intended roaming through the wilderness.

To keep up roaming through the wilderness as base principle, ZOS could give normal nodes a chance to become a super node, delivering the normal harvest (incl Heartwood etc) and on top the harvest of one survey.

If you give 10% chance per stacked survey, having more than 10 surveys (of that type node) gives you 10x10%=100% chance on a super node.
With less than 10 surveys the chances go down and you can choose between running around normal nodes, go to the survey digging location or stop harvesting and accumulate again with writs a bigger stack than 10 surveys.

And still in my opinion nothing really wrong with ZOS offering hirelings in the Crown Store at a cost of say 1500 Crowns who can harvest any kind of survey, but at a max of 5 surveys per day and mailing you every day the harvests
From financial pay-back considerations these hirelings are totally unprofitable, but hey... who cares about the payback of a mount.
(you need to harvest a lot of surveys before that hireling earns back the 1.5 - 3.0 Mio gold you would need to buy 1500 Crowns)

endgamesmug · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

tmbrinks · October 2022

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

endgamesmug · October 2022

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

Oh that was just my idea of a rough guess, run over there come back quick basically. I know i just have to be a certain distance away its not an exact science but it works out. 😋

Stinkyremy · October 2022

Why would anyone delete their surveys?

Yeah they can take up quite a bit of space that increases as each DLC drops but there is no issue having them all stacked on a mule alt or like I do, in my storage chests in a house.
I wait for either when I need the mats, am bored or when i have a massive stack of them.
I have one location with 20 surveys, just go there, grab the nodes, run away for 2 secs for respawn, rinse repeat.,
Not only does this just constantly feed the writs, you never actually need to farm again and in a pinch you can sell mats for gold.

What I do is when I get them I dump them in the bank, when bank is getting full I grab them out and put them in teh storage in the house.

tmbrinks · October 2022

endgamesmug wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

Oh that was just my idea of a rough guess, run over there come back quick basically. I know i just have to be a certain distance away its not an exact science but it works out. 😋

Yeah, I don't blame you. When I'm out collecting, I even see people run much, much farther than they have to. I often collect "double" the surveys of others who are resetting because they either run so far away, or do the "port to house" trick, which takes significantly longer for all but like 2 surveys, where it's still longer... but not by as much.

I even took the time and effort to share the most effective reset distance for every survey I've found (still working on a few from High Isle) in my spreadsheet (in signature) that tracks pretty much all things writs and refining related.

I gave up on even trying to help in-game though when I see people doing it... oh well.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2022

NeKryXe wrote: »

A few years ago someone suggested a combining solution, but it was never done. Ir's an old problem, and I believe that at this moment most players just delete the surveys. It seemed nice at the beginning but now, the way it works, it's just trash in the bag. It's cool if you have just one survey, but with more than one it's a pain to collect it. In some regions, like in Wrothgar, we even need to go ultra far for it to reset, and for some weird reason in the new regions (like in High Isle) they decided to space out more the nodes. All and all, there's no fun in collecting surveys, it's just a waste of time and it doesn't feel like a reward at all. If the idea is to encourage us to delete it, then it's very successfully, but if it's meant for us to use it, then It would be nice to have a better way to handle multiple surveys without making us run back and forth for ages in the same place.

I really don't believe that is true. I believe a lot of players stock pile them, and I am sure some people do delete them, but I cant believe its a majority. They are annoying, but they make for the most efficient farming possible when you have a bunch. If I need cloth, I just grab one of my stacks of 30+ surveys of the same node, and do them till I have what I need. One Alt/Mule can hold them all.

Would I like some improvements to the system? Sure.

Treeshka · October 2022

Make them tradeable.

FlopsyPrince · October 2022

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

Try that in one of the Wrothgar ones, not "7 seconds". Also, the exact time is not the point, it is the annoyance AND uncertainty of exactly how far to go (and to remember exactly where to go back, especially on consoles).

It is a needless pain.

Multi-crafting added less value in many ways, but was put into the game.

FlopsyPrince · October 2022

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

The uncertainty of the distance is the worst part. But even if you figure it out it is a needless and unproductive delay. No point to it. That is the entire point, not the exact time!

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

Oh that was just my idea of a rough guess, run over there come back quick basically. I know i just have to be a certain distance away its not an exact science but it works out. 😋

Yeah, I don't blame you. When I'm out collecting, I even see people run much, much farther than they have to. I often collect "double" the surveys of others who are resetting because they either run so far away, or do the "port to house" trick, which takes significantly longer for all but like 2 surveys, where it's still longer... but not by as much.

I even took the time and effort to share the most effective reset distance for every survey I've found (still working on a few from High Isle) in my spreadsheet (in signature) that tracks pretty much all things writs and refining related.

I gave up on even trying to help in-game though when I see people doing it... oh well.

The fact you needed a spreadsheet to track that shows the idiocy of the system. Why should you need a spreadsheet to gather mats?

We are not talking high level min-maxing here....

You only know all those since you run so many. Yeah, I know it doesn't bother you, but I want to play, not figure out exactly how far to run and then return for each and every spot! That is not engaging gameplay.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

A few years ago someone suggested a combining solution, but it was never done. Ir's an old problem, and I believe that at this moment most players just delete the surveys. It seemed nice at the beginning but now, the way it works, it's just trash in the bag. It's cool if you have just one survey, but with more than one it's a pain to collect it. In some regions, like in Wrothgar, we even need to go ultra far for it to reset, and for some weird reason in the new regions (like in High Isle) they decided to space out more the nodes. All and all, there's no fun in collecting surveys, it's just a waste of time and it doesn't feel like a reward at all. If the idea is to encourage us to delete it, then it's very successfully, but if it's meant for us to use it, then It would be nice to have a better way to handle multiple surveys without making us run back and forth for ages in the same place.

I really don't believe that is true. I believe a lot of players stock pile them, and I am sure some people do delete them, but I cant believe its a majority. They are annoying, but they make for the most efficient farming possible when you have a bunch. If I need cloth, I just grab one of my stacks of 30+ surveys of the same node, and do them till I have what I need. One Alt/Mule can hold them all.

Would I like some improvements to the system? Sure.

Collecting them all the time really interrupts gameplay....

tmbrinks · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

The uncertainty of the distance is the worst part. But even if you figure it out it is a needless and unproductive delay. No point to it. That is the entire point, not the exact time!

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

Oh that was just my idea of a rough guess, run over there come back quick basically. I know i just have to be a certain distance away its not an exact science but it works out. 😋

Yeah, I don't blame you. When I'm out collecting, I even see people run much, much farther than they have to. I often collect "double" the surveys of others who are resetting because they either run so far away, or do the "port to house" trick, which takes significantly longer for all but like 2 surveys, where it's still longer... but not by as much.

I even took the time and effort to share the most effective reset distance for every survey I've found (still working on a few from High Isle) in my spreadsheet (in signature) that tracks pretty much all things writs and refining related.

I gave up on even trying to help in-game though when I see people doing it... oh well.

The fact you needed a spreadsheet to track that shows the idiocy of the system. Why should you need a spreadsheet to gather mats?

We are not talking high level min-maxing here....

You only know all those since you run so many. Yeah, I know it doesn't bother you, but I want to play, not figure out exactly how far to run and then return for each and every spot! That is not engaging gameplay.

I made the spreadsheet just to share with others, as I thought it would be a resource that people would like, not because I need it to do them. [snip] The information is literally provided to be a help.

[snip]

[edited for baiting]

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

The uncertainty of the distance is the worst part. But even if you figure it out it is a needless and unproductive delay. No point to it. That is the entire point, not the exact time!

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

Oh that was just my idea of a rough guess, run over there come back quick basically. I know i just have to be a certain distance away its not an exact science but it works out. 😋

Yeah, I don't blame you. When I'm out collecting, I even see people run much, much farther than they have to. I often collect "double" the surveys of others who are resetting because they either run so far away, or do the "port to house" trick, which takes significantly longer for all but like 2 surveys, where it's still longer... but not by as much.

I even took the time and effort to share the most effective reset distance for every survey I've found (still working on a few from High Isle) in my spreadsheet (in signature) that tracks pretty much all things writs and refining related.

I gave up on even trying to help in-game though when I see people doing it... oh well.

The fact you needed a spreadsheet to track that shows the idiocy of the system. Why should you need a spreadsheet to gather mats?

We are not talking high level min-maxing here....

You only know all those since you run so many. Yeah, I know it doesn't bother you, but I want to play, not figure out exactly how far to run and then return for each and every spot! That is not engaging gameplay.

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

A few years ago someone suggested a combining solution, but it was never done. Ir's an old problem, and I believe that at this moment most players just delete the surveys. It seemed nice at the beginning but now, the way it works, it's just trash in the bag. It's cool if you have just one survey, but with more than one it's a pain to collect it. In some regions, like in Wrothgar, we even need to go ultra far for it to reset, and for some weird reason in the new regions (like in High Isle) they decided to space out more the nodes. All and all, there's no fun in collecting surveys, it's just a waste of time and it doesn't feel like a reward at all. If the idea is to encourage us to delete it, then it's very successfully, but if it's meant for us to use it, then It would be nice to have a better way to handle multiple surveys without making us run back and forth for ages in the same place.

I really don't believe that is true. I believe a lot of players stock pile them, and I am sure some people do delete them, but I cant believe its a majority. They are annoying, but they make for the most efficient farming possible when you have a bunch. If I need cloth, I just grab one of my stacks of 30+ surveys of the same node, and do them till I have what I need. One Alt/Mule can hold them all.

Would I like some improvements to the system? Sure.

Collecting them all the time really interrupts gameplay....

Yeah, which is why I havent done that in years. That doesnt mean I am going to delete them as OP suggests. Thankfully, they stack so just not hard to stick them on an alt or in your bank. They do have significant value. And while collecting multiple is annoying at first, its still very efficient to do 20-30 at the same node, especially once you figure out the reset distance for that spot. Some nodes are certainly more annoying than others. I have enough surveys stockpiled that I always have an easy one I can do a bunch of if I need mats of a particular type. I did about 1500 last summer over a couple long days. Haven't needed any mats since. Still sitting on a few thousand surveys if I need them done the road.

Bignupie1911 · October 2022

Need crafting assistant npc to complete surveys for us.......

endgamesmug · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

Try that in one of the Wrothgar ones, not "7 seconds". Also, the exact time is not the point, it is the annoyance AND uncertainty of exactly how far to go (and to remember exactly where to go back, especially on consoles).

It is a needless pain.

Multi-crafting added less value in many ways, but was put into the game.

I sympathize with your console situation i was on xbox for 5 years i ended up memorizing the locations just our of repetition. Yeah 7 seconds was too long its just a few really to run there and back, i agree Wrothgar is irritating but I do it all the same I really enjoy the benefits. My bane was woodworking greenshade actually until i got the nearby house which helps alot.😁

KlauthWarthog · October 2022

Surveys are fine, for the most part. Some of them are obnoxious to reset, but I just collect those as they come instead of piling them up. Still, being able to reset by using the survey would be an awesome QoL improvement.
The main gripes I have with the system are the multiple locations for Coldharbor, Craglorn and Wrothgar, and the absurd distance between the nodes on the newer zones. At the current rate, the ore nodes for the next blacksmith survey will be on distinct edges of the bloody map...

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2022

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

Try that in one of the Wrothgar ones, not "7 seconds". Also, the exact time is not the point, it is the annoyance AND uncertainty of exactly how far to go (and to remember exactly where to go back, especially on consoles).

It is a needless pain.

Multi-crafting added less value in many ways, but was put into the game.

I sympathize with your console situation i was on xbox for 5 years i ended up memorizing the locations just our of repetition. Yeah 7 seconds was too long its just a few really to run there and back, i agree Wrothgar is irritating but I do it all the same I really enjoy the benefits. My bane was woodworking greenshade actually until i got the nearby house which helps alot.😁

They definitely arent all the same radius, so just counting to a number and running is going to be different for each one. My trick has always been to try to break LOS with the survey nodes. That does it more times than not.

FlopsyPrince · October 2022

tmbrinks wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

Heartrage wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

The uncertainty of the distance is the worst part. But even if you figure it out it is a needless and unproductive delay. No point to it. That is the entire point, not the exact time!

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endgamesmug wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

endgamesmug wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Stop looking at all the Surveys as something you need to do all right now.

If you are doing writs on multiple characters you can dedicate an alt to Farming Surveys. Equip them with Speed Gear and have them carry all the Surveys.

Then, log into that alt every day or three and pick a zone or two or three. Farm the surveys, spend about 15 minutes. then log to another alt and do something else.

Best thinking here 😁i use wildhunt/fiords/cowards/1pce bloodspawn for the stam recon an orc with the reduced sprint cost and increase to sprint speed, get everything done daily in no time 😀

Does sprinting really help that much? I find the reset part sucks up the most time.

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barney2525 wrote: »

I'm so glad you made this post to tell me how I Must think and what I Must believe is or is Not fun. And here I was under the impression I enjoyed taking a break, running around stocking up on crafting material which I can process and some of which is very valuable. I was so certain there was some benefit to making a few million gold.

Thank you for telling me how Everyone is required to feel about the game, as obviously it is not simply your Opinion. It's nice to find out who the dictators of the game are.

They didn’t, they expressed their opinion on the matter. If you enjoy surveys as they are, that’s fine and you can post about how much you love them as much as you like but we can also post as much as we want about the opposite side.

When did ZOS express a firm view on surveys?

ChuckyPayne wrote: »

- I like collect. I do it every week or 2 week
- I don't have problem with where are there.
- I don't have problem with how close they are to each other.
- just this one.

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Just let me collect all the surveys I have at once and not have to keep running back and forth if I have multiples of the same one.

Stay safe

Their closeness to each other would go away if you didn't have to collect them for each survey.

I estimate 7 seconds away then the same amount back to reset, works for me anyway. Letting them pile up just doesnt work for me ive gotta nip it in the bud for my own sanity 😆

The resets are for the most part far less than that 7 seconds. There are only a half dozen or so that are actually annoying distances. There seems to be a lot of over-exaggeration as to the "reset distance" required to run, like it takes running across the map or something

Oh that was just my idea of a rough guess, run over there come back quick basically. I know i just have to be a certain distance away its not an exact science but it works out. 😋

Yeah, I don't blame you. When I'm out collecting, I even see people run much, much farther than they have to. I often collect "double" the surveys of others who are resetting because they either run so far away, or do the "port to house" trick, which takes significantly longer for all but like 2 surveys, where it's still longer... but not by as much.

I even took the time and effort to share the most effective reset distance for every survey I've found (still working on a few from High Isle) in my spreadsheet (in signature) that tracks pretty much all things writs and refining related.

I gave up on even trying to help in-game though when I see people doing it... oh well.

The fact you needed a spreadsheet to track that shows the idiocy of the system. Why should you need a spreadsheet to gather mats?

We are not talking high level min-maxing here....

You only know all those since you run so many. Yeah, I know it doesn't bother you, but I want to play, not figure out exactly how far to run and then return for each and every spot! That is not engaging gameplay.

I made the spreadsheet just to share with others, as I thought it would be a resource that people would like, not because I need it to do them. [snip] The information is literally provided to be a help.

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It was bad enough finding many of the spots on the PS4, without addons. I definitely do not want to go back to something close to that after going through the tedious task of rebuilding on the PC.

[snip] I am noting I disagree and that it is very tedious to get the "rewards" that time was spent to get. That is not of value nor needed.

And I am completely unclear how a spreadsheet is going to tell me where to go to while playing. I don't use "numbers" actively when playing in a manner that would be helped by a spreadsheet. Pictures perhaps, but that would be the exact problem I am trying to avoid.

It cost me a lot of money and time to rebuild on the PC, I want to reduce the tedium so I can run quests for the 20th time rather than having to distort things to get survey points to respawn. (Yeah, questing is grindy, but at least it is doing what the game is focused on.)

[snip]

I do wish ZOS would give some clear responses on this and other quality of life issues.

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Eiregirl · October 2022

NeKryXe wrote: »

A few years ago someone suggested a combining solution, but it was never done. Ir's an old problem, and I believe that at this moment most players just delete the surveys. It seemed nice at the beginning but now, the way it works, it's just trash in the bag. It's cool if you have just one survey, but with more than one it's a pain to collect it. In some regions, like in Wrothgar, we even need to go ultra far for it to reset, and for some weird reason in the new regions (like in High Isle) they decided to space out more the nodes. All and all, there's no fun in collecting surveys, it's just a waste of time and it doesn't feel like a reward at all. If the idea is to encourage us to delete it, then it's very successfully, but if it's meant for us to use it, then It would be nice to have a better way to handle multiple surveys without making us run back and forth for ages in the same place.

If I understand you correctly you are talking about multiple surveys at the same location such as 5 woodworking surveys in Glenumbra at the same place. I would be fine for an option to combine a bunch of surveys for the same survey node into a super node.

But in all honesty the way things are has never bothered me. I do different things from running a distance away and sometimes find a treasure chest to zoning out and gathering a survey in another zone then going back but the one thing I don't do is let it frustrate me or take time away from things that are more important to me in the game or my real life. This is a game and in the grand scheme of things it means nothing, and I will not let it become a point of stress.

If you are talking about just combining the same type of survey for different locations, I would probably be ok with that as long as it was optional because I like gathering materials as I travel between surveys.

Wolf_Eye · October 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

I can't speak for everyone, but here are some personal sentiments:

-I never delete my surveys, not even the enchanting ones
-I mostly enjoy gathering them. It's peaceful and I feel like the mats are nice rewards.
-Returning to get a second copy doesn't bother me either

-I wish the surveys didn't take up inventory space. I prefer to do them in clumps, when I'm in the mood to do them
-I wish some of the extra annoying spots in Wrothgar and Craglorn especially could be revisited

-I would be fine with any QoL changes as long as they didn't reduce the loot gained or ruin the experience of gathering the surveys for people who enjoy them.

Allowing you to reset a spot when you have gathered all 6 would be helpful, a method without requiring running away an indeterminate distance.

One thing that is annoying me a LOT lately is that I often get in the "not harvesting mode" when collecting them. Probably some timer in the system, but it is really annoying to press -e- to gather and stand around and do nothing! This is aggravated when you are picking up many surveys.

If the nodes of the survey are close together, make your character do a quick spin before picking up the next one. Make it look like they are showing off their latest outfit. I find it prevents the -e- lag and saves time.

WiseSky · October 2022

Not like I am bias, but I like this idea!

sPark101 · October 2022

No on this one. ZoS is under no obligation to speed up alts.

disintegr8 · October 2022

Surveys are not a problem, you either want to harvest them or you don't, your choice. nobody forces you to do daily writs or harvest the surveys they drop.

Back when I had ESO+ I used to do daily writs religiously on 8 characters every day and harvest the surveys every couple of weeks, in one session. It was my choice, so I never thought of it as a chore. I never ran out of money or resources to sell in a trading guild or to friends.

When I dropped ESO+ (for financial reasons), inventory management was too painful, so I stopped doing them. My choice. Maybe I should have asked for unlimited inventory slots instead of just accepting things. Now I come back and do them when ESO+ free trial is on and stop when it ends.

ZOS_Lunar · October 2022

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Zyva · October 2022

I would love to have surveys combined!