Idrinkwhatibrew wrote: »

You say it is a "Play as you want" game. Well I'm sure there will be many people on here saying "learn to play your class", "learn to play". blah blah blah. Well I'm VR3 atm almost VR4 and I can tell you for a Night Blade the Vet content is hard. I played DK and Sorc in beta and decided since it was "play as you want", I would make a Heavy NB. Well I can tell you I've spent literally over 100K on respecs, just since i hit VR1 alone. I've tried medium armor, light armor, heavy armor. I'm maxed in all class abilities, I'm maxed in all weapons minus resto staff, so yes I've tried them all. It is almost stupid how hard it is to Solo on the VR levels. Now if you are playing a DK or Sorc and wanna chime in and tell me how you are VR 2000, great, i'm happy for you. I've seen a few posts, and i haven't been digging, about how NB is pretty much confined to a single target DSP. Well I can confirm this. You say "play as you want". But it appears that unless i'm sneaking up on someone and stealth killing them, i'm pretty much worthless. So all I ask is at least tell the truth zenna. I mean really, I'm not a group dungeon player, I'm not a "i got my guild to help me" player. Tell me how is a NB suppose to beat the VR content unless I got a buddy with me? Seriously.

I've played this game for quite some time now having been fortunate enough to have been included in the persistent beta. This entire time I've played night blade and love the class. There are several things that you leave out of your post that the reader has to assume. For instance is it a particular build that your having trouble with? I.E. the "Play as you want" portion of your post. Or is it every build you've encountered that's giving you difficulty? How are you skill points distributed? Do you have the proper passives skilled out for the armor type and weapon types you're using? Are you for instance trying to combine a survivability build with a play style that relies on burning mobs down quickly? Have you developed your critical hits to a respectable level? Is your armor at level or are you behind level wise assuming that the differential in stats is so small that it doesn't make a difference? Same with your weapons. Are you still using white armor, or have you improved it? What set bonuses are you utilizing? Do you have everything enchanted appropriately for your play style? Are the skills/ultimate your utilizing complimenting each other or simply what you think look like they should be strong? Are you utilizing both your resource regeneration bars, or just relying on stamina? Are you keeping your gear repaired? Have you invested too heavily in crafting skills and limited your available skill points that you have for combat? Are you assuming that once a stat is overcharged that it's now ideal and needs no further development? Are you skills solely offensive? Have you ensured that you're using one each of a stam spender, magicka spender and three situation specific skills to help you control mobs that are causing you a problem? Are you ensuring that you're taking out the healer first? Are you a vampire that's not staying fed or utilizing a fire resistance glyph or two to help mitigate the additional damage they take?

Your post indicates that you want to be able to solo a pack of mobs via aoe abilities/cleaves, etc and survive the experience regardless of the weapon type your utilizing. You also say that you've maxed out all the class abilities, I'm assuming you mean that you've reach level four on each of the morphs for each of them. But have you leveled the skill on them to 50? This makes a huge difference as well. And that also applies to your armor selection and weapons. It sounds to me like you've switched around quite a bit and are maybe thinking of the skill system incorrectly regarding what 'max' level is really all about. It really does take a while to level out your weapon skills all the way to 50 and the same goes for armor. Though yes the training trait does help considerably in this respect.

Anyways, without more specifics, the best advise I could give you is to pick a build and stick with it. Learn that build inside and out. For myself I use a bow medium armor, siphoning strikes for the second heal, venom arrow for the interupt, impale for a closer on low health mobs at range*Sorry the morphed name escapes me right now, draining shot for the knockback/interupt, drain essence morphed to, grr me and my memory I never look at the names of these any more it's night something basically doubles the heal when used at night. And bat swarm for my ultimate.

Draining shot is great for keeping multiple mobs at bay until I'm ready to deal with them. I have a hot and an emergency heal in case I get in trouble. My stamina spender includes an interrupt. And the aoe bat swarm is great for helping to finish off packs of mobs that are mostly dead. And yes I do focus on a single target most of the time, it's far better to kill of a source of damage then to partially damage all of them and get owned. Once one or two are down the rest are by comparison a cake walk.

I think you also have to realize that this title is intended for players to have to contend with many mobs at once as the primary format for difficulty in the game. There have been a series of nerfs to aoe's primarily due to large 24 man groups not simply rolling everyone's aoe and just steam rolling the content. The same is true for solo players, you have to find viable ways to contend with the mobs as they are put together in the world. And often times that means incapacitating one or more of them for a while as your deal with their buddies. You may not like the strategy, but it is one that works well.

Udaku wrote: »

Elitism is waaay tooo high in this topic. OP is right, it is easy to say: "I play with dragonknight and it is just fine. L2P."
Well, this game has 3 more classes that less or more squishy, broken or just can't cope with 10K HP, 200-300 damage/sec. For example, NIghtblade is such a miss in the terms of dps class + it has lame mechanics to stay alive. It is so frustrating to play vet. rank with it. Looks like someone balanced Veteran content by using DK and One hand and Shield weapons...

I destroyed a VR camp in werewolf form and never dropped below half health. Werewolf is supposedly the weakest skill line in the game. The fact is it is meant to be end game content that is harder than the first 50 levels. Oh and btw when not using werewolf I use a two handed sword to destroy VR mobs quickly which again is suppose to be trash.

Hoylegu wrote: »

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »

...but really DK is the only ez-mode class because of thier one skill.

As a new DK, mind my asking which ability this is which I clearly shouldn't overlook?

There is dragon blood (heal yourself) dragon armor? (I forgot, what the low level one was called, mine is razor armor), talons (immobilizes and damages any nearby enemies). As someone who tends to quest solo, being a DK is an advantage for me because I can heal myself quickly and damage multiple enemies at once.

I don't really have any problem doing VR10 content on my support Templar... Yes, yes, I know I am not a nightblade, but I know plenty of Nightblades that don't have any issues either.

I agree and disagree on this one.

I agree on these:

1. VR content grind is STUPID SLOW - Needs a rework ASAP
2. VR grid is going to drive people away from the game.. PERIOD!
3. VR content is HARD - Okay.. but 4 min solo fight shouldn't net142 vp
4. VR content VP for MOB should be doubled or even tripled in VP awarded NOW (Do NOT wait for v1.1 release)
5. Leveling in VR requires you to pretty much do EVERY Quest, EVERY Dungeon, EVERY World Boss, EVERY Anchor. (That is not "Play it your way" as promised - but a dedicated workload)

I don't agree on these:

1. Need a NERF to abilities / mobs (Better reward & faster yes)
2. VR content made EASY like 1-50 leveling (You have to know what you are doing with your class A LOT - OR have a buddy)

Content is hard, everything hits way harder and you have to be on your toes in VR content just running around. (Why a CRAB can kill me in 2-3 hits is WTF?)

I firmly believe that VR content is hard for a reason, but the rewards are just not there for that reason. How many people are going to still be around when CRAGLORN hits at this rate?

I've been playing since prelaunch, BETA player for several months before that and I have to agree that VR content needs some tweaking. NERF... please don't. During the last 3 betas I think they nerfed XP leveling, but frankly I thought it was perfect (Slow).. but VR.. its like four times longer of a grind and needs to kind of look like the slower version in beta. Adding 500k of VP each level is a tad overboard. (That's almost 10 world bosses/dungeons/major quests for the BUMP each level)

I play a Breton Templar Healer with light armor and Volcanic Rune is my butt saver in most solo adventures. The ability to knock down mobs and heal myself is the only reason I can solo a lot of the content.

Ok something maybe a bit less stern. Look at how your char is speced out. If your speced out all over the place that could make it more difficult. Instead of trying to be good at everything, spec out to be great at a few things. You absolutely must read your skill tree, figure out for yourself what works, and practice, practice, practice. Endgame folks do their homework by researching bosses, coming with tactics, rehearsing (just like real life). This is what separates someone who is serious from the average player. It's a job, but in a game. Do some research on professional EndGame/PvP world ranked guilds, most of which are across multiple games. It isnt supposed to be easy, it is for the hardcore. They make it look easy, but they put in alot of work on those fights. You can do it tho, you just need a good serious guild to work with.

If I can start out knowing nothing about MMOs during my stint in EQ1 and claw my way to a top endgame guild, then anyone can. It was difficult and so much fun (and so much work).

Heres my experience with a nightblade. I sucked when I first made mine. I figured out that I could make my nightblade a ranged stun/interupt/cc character. Wasnt sure if that would work. I have the first set of skill points all over the place with what I want. I have not respec'd yet. I have learned to use what I have and now I can park mobs, CC them or "mez" (if ur old school) and stunlock like a pro now. That takes alot of practice and utilizing all my skills. I also had to learn how to move around/rolldodge and block. Stuff in previous MMOs I never did, but stuff you HAVE to do in this game. So, I learned to play better. Now if I could just stay out of cyrodil long enough, maybe I can finish leveling. No hurry tho, a month into the game and I am sure I havent mastered my class enough to hit up the hard stuff yet.

Draconiuos wrote: »

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

Hoylegu wrote: »

paradoxorganisationb16_ESO wrote: »

...but really DK is the only ez-mode class because of thier one skill.

As a new DK, mind my asking which ability this is which I clearly shouldn't overlook?

There is dragon blood (heal yourself) dragon armor? (I forgot, what the low level one was called, mine is razor armor), talons (immobilizes and damages any nearby enemies). As someone who tends to quest solo, being a DK is an advantage for me because I can heal myself quickly and damage multiple enemies at once.

dragon blood is a massive resource drain and doesn't give a fixed healing number. I have it morphed at lvl 4 and it only does 33% of missing health for 400+ magicka. So, if used to early it becomes a waste, the increased health regen is nice, but can suffer from overcharge. The Armor buff also suffers from overcharge especially if you are using level heavy armor. talons can be nice but is subject to aoe cap.

Massive resource drain? Whatever it's saved me so many times. I have a lot of magicka and it regenerates pretty fast. I can use it multiple times in a fight and still have magicka left over for abilities. Not to mention I find tons of magicka potions. Dragon blood does not even take a fourth of my magicka bar, and I'm pretty sure it does not cost me 400+. Aoe cap for the talons? I rarely ever fight more than 3 enemies at once so that really isn't an issue.

L2P. Git Gud. Bah.

Like it or not, most people aren't elite. And it's the non-elites who hold the power. They'll listen to the majority, and when the majority gets beat down, they'll adjust the difficulties accordingly. Like the OP, I'm playing as a heavy armor wearing nightblade. I used a two handed sword as my main weapon. Even in this thread, people talk about how bad two handed sword is. Since I got every skyshard up to that point, it cost me 20-25k to respec each time. If I hadn't farmed motifs, I wouldn't have been able to afford any of it.

When two VR 5s and two VR 2s can't even beat the second boss in Spindleclutch - the one in which the ceiling collapses - then the game is hardly working as they advertised. Not everybody runs in guilds. Not everybody coordinates strategies through TeamSpeak or Mumble. Yet every attempt I've made with people from the group finder has ended in an unmitigated disaster.

Zolyok wrote: »

Come on don't begin to ask for "easyfication" of the game

After the first wave of players reach and pass through the VR ranks, ZOS will have to nerf the VR rank quests. Let's face it, many VR10 players today didn't solo the content. They had help from guild members or random strangers who happened to be doing VR quest leveling.

After the initial wave of players hit VR10, the stragglers that follow will be forced to solo content because the number of people doing VR questing will be lower. They won't be able to progress through questing solo. The first time mmo players will have a difficult time. Also, they can't ask already VR10 guild members to help them because of the phasing problems in the game. So ZOS will have to nerf VR quests or the stragglers will get frustrated and quit.

Gelston wrote: »

Many didn't solo it huh? I guess I am on of the few 10s that did.

How many hours/days played on your character?

Well I've played all classes to around level 25, NB to 14, Sorc to VR2, Templar to 30. I found Sorc massacres VR content with the exception of bosses and dungeons but I found out of all the classes that from about level 8, NB is harder than the rest, so I can understand why you are now having issues with it.

If you where only level 20 then I would say re-roll but its obvious you know what you are doing or you wouldn't have got to almost VR4.

Just hit vr2 on my NB, some stuff is hard solo, and the class is largely gimped, but I love it

I much prefer slower, harder leveling, to quick, faceroll leveling, i.e. lv1-50.