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Kill 5 void creatures- Another Endeavor locked behind a paywall
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Lixiviant✭✭✭✭✭You don't have to try to do all 5 (only 3 count per day), or even do any of them at all. Some are in Cyrodiil, so I just try to do some of the other ones. Easy peasy.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SizanLopkniht wrote: »HertoginJanneke wrote: »If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.
Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
There's nothing predatory about a B2P game charging for extra content. Don't want to buy it? Don't expect to do the content.3 -
Elendir2am✭✭✭✭Common setups were
1 DLC Endeavor
1 PvP Endeavor
and 3 base game Endeavor
in past.
I understand, that
2 DLC Endeavor
1 PvP Endeavor
and 2 base game Endeavor
can upset someone.PvP - Recruit.
PvE - Dragon food
RPG - A guy who thought, that he can defeat daedric prince, yet guards still chase him off when he accidentally touches some object during daily writs.1 -
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✭✭SizanLopkniht wrote: »HertoginJanneke wrote: »If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.
Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
There's nothing predatory about a B2P game charging for extra content. Don't want to buy it? Don't expect to do the content.
So the advertising of endeavors as being things you'd normally be doing during the normal course of playing the game should have had an asterisk at the end of the statement.
*providing you have purchased the dlc or chapter needed to do the endeavor1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SizanLopkniht wrote: »SizanLopkniht wrote: »HertoginJanneke wrote: »If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.
Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
There's nothing predatory about a B2P game charging for extra content. Don't want to buy it? Don't expect to do the content.
So the advertising of endeavors as being things you'd normally be doing during the normal course of playing the game should have had an asterisk at the end of the statement.
*providing you have purchased the dlc or chapter needed to do the endeavor
No more than e.g. *providing you do the PvP or dungeons needed to do the endeavour.
The whole point of multiple choice with endeavours is that they cater for all kinds of gameplay. While I own all the content in the game, for at least the last couple of days I've only been able to do one or two of the five endeavours listed, because that's all my normal course of playing the game will permit. I don't have a problem with that as the other endeavours on offer will appeal to those with different playstyles to me.5 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭i asked in guild chat what constitutes a void creature because the wording Zos uses is awful. An example is from the previous day it said to kill group boss i went to a public dungeon and killed the group event boss. is that not a group boss? seems so to me. What Zos meant though is the overland world boss but they won't just tell you that. Poor communication. In guild chat i was told that a wisp mother is considered a void creature. Sure there are wisp mothers in the base game.. Havent tried it as i was bust with dungeons and other things. Clearly Zos need better language because void createure is not clearly understood any more than group boss is, as demonstrated by OP and my experience.0
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✭✭✭✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »i asked in guild chat what constitutes a void creature because the wording Zos uses is awful.
Wisp mothers don't count. And void creatures are a very unique type of enemy, they often have the word "Void" in the name like "Void Mother" and the entire chapter they are relevant to goes into great detail explaining their relevance to the region. It's not a bad name but it does require having been to the dlc zone before (which is also the only place they appear).
Group Boss on the other hand should absolutely be renamed World Boss.1 -
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✭Bouldercleave wrote: »SizanLopkniht wrote: »HertoginJanneke wrote: »If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.
Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
It's an endeavor. You don't HAVE to do them all every day.
Endeavors weren't even implemented until fairly recently. [snip]
[Edit for bait.]
You're entirely missing the point of the person you responded you. Like, completely sidestepped.
ESO is not providing good value for money compared to other MMOs. That's the complaint.
If you respond to this with, "well you dont have to pay for eso" then...yeah that's exactly what I and a lot of others are doing.
I still play, but if they expect me to spend any money on this stingy excuse for a game then they should know there are other games that have actually earned my money. I dont even have ESO+ anymore.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on September 10, 2022 2:01AMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.1 -
opalcity✭✭✭✭✭Memory_In_Motion wrote: »i asked in guild chat what constitutes a void creature because the wording Zos uses is awful. An example is from the previous day it said to kill group boss i went to a public dungeon and killed the group event boss. is that not a group boss? seems so to me. What Zos meant though is the overland world boss but they won't just tell you that. Poor communication. In guild chat i was told that a wisp mother is considered a void creature. Sure there are wisp mothers in the base game.. Havent tried it as i was bust with dungeons and other things. Clearly Zos need better language because void createure is not clearly understood any more than group boss is, as demonstrated by OP and my experience.
Your guildmates told you wrong. A wispmother is a watery foe. A voidmother is a void creature.
It tells you in the tooltip on the endeavour what they are and where to find them.
If it's a public event boss it will say as such. Have Zos ever used 'World Boss' or is that just a term players use?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Wisp mothers also count as void creatures as I understand. Then I remembered the place with the named ones and everybody was there 3 minutes after the update.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭Wispmothers are considered water-based creatures for a different endeavor.
The easiest way to complete this endeavor is to fight the Voidmother boss in the reach. She will summon several void minions during the battle.6 -
NettleCarrier✭✭✭✭✭Why should everything ZOS does have to be restricted to base game only? The occasional DLC based activity isn't going to hurt anything, especially given that there are entire events located entirely within a DLC sometimes.GM of Gold Coast Corsairs - PCNA2 -
Aislinna✭✭✭✭✭Wispmothers are considered water-based creatures for a different endeavor.
The easiest way to complete this endeavor is to fight the Voidmother boss in the reach. She will summon several void minions during the battle.
Thank you for this tip! After running around Arkthzand Caverns for far too long and only finding one qualifyng enemy, this tip made it so easy to complete the endeavour.Edited by Aislinna on September 9, 2022 11:15PM0 -
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✭Generally, there are two "paywall" (AKA endeavours for people who have the DLC, not real paywall, just more options for those who do have the DLC) options and three non-paid options. The daily today with 5 Void Creatures is no different:
I'm not sure where the problem is? It's not actually a paywall since you're not forced to participate in paid content to complete all three daily endeavours. I assume the pain point is that you otherwise would participate in PvP (note: you do not need to win, you simply need to participate).
@Troodon80 PC | EU
Guild: N&S
Hand of Alkosh | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart
Deep Dive into Dreadsail Reef Mechanics3 -
Troodon80✭✭✭✭✭
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They used to call them world bosses years ago (not when endeavours were a thing), but changed them to "Group Bosses" about three years ago. There are, however, still a few mentions of "World Boss(es)" in the data files and a few Help entries. E.g.:If it's a public event boss it will say as such. Have Zos ever used 'World Boss' or is that just a term players use?
@Troodon80 PC | EU
Guild: N&S
Hand of Alkosh | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart
Deep Dive into Dreadsail Reef Mechanics5 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭i dont have a tool tip in gamepad mode? found no explanation. asked guildies....0
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Best source of information I would point to is UESP, for almost all things.[Quoted post has been removed.]
Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on September 10, 2022 2:06AM@Troodon80 PC | EU
Guild: N&S
Hand of Alkosh | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »Common setups were
1 DLC Endeavor
1 PvP Endeavor
and 3 base game Endeavor
in past.
I understand, that
2 DLC Endeavor
1 PvP Endeavor
and 2 base game Endeavor
can upset someone.
I think you hit the nail on the head as to why this might feel like an escalation to some people. There's lots of people that avoid anything PvP for a variety of reasons. So, if someone has decided that they will never do a PVP endeavor, they may feel as though they are being pressured by ZOS into buying dlc. They aren't, ofc, it's their own self-imposed rule that removed one of the three base game options from consideration. But, they may still feel it nonetheless. And that definitely works in ZOS's favor if they give in
Edited by spartaxoxo on September 10, 2022 1:24AM1 -
Memory_In_Motion✭✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »Common setups were
1 DLC Endeavor
1 PvP Endeavor
and 3 base game Endeavor
in past.
I understand, that
2 DLC Endeavor
1 PvP Endeavor
and 2 base game Endeavor
can upset someone.
pvp is part of the base game? Yes. If you bought the base game for 5.99 during the quake sale from say Steam, you could play pvp with it, go to cyrodil with a level 10 toon and conceivably become emperor...0 -
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stevenyaub16_ESO✭✭✭✭Maybe you should find a F2P game and be happy there. Though somehow I don't think that would be the case.1 -
Jusey1✭✭✭✭✭SizanLopkniht wrote: »HertoginJanneke wrote: »If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.
Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
I mean, Endeavors are predatory marketing strategies by default because they only exist to appease Microsoft's anti-gambling box rules... I rather if we could just completely do away with gambling boxes and endeavors as a whole.5 -
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✭SizanLopkniht wrote: »Sure, there are other endeavors that players can do to get their 3 daily endeavors, but increasing the frequency of locking endeavors behind a paywall is a bad look.
I don't understand this thread. As said by OP, there are other endeavors so in short, nobody is forced to anything. And it's not only endeavors. There are other things that rely on having all areas and/or certain DLCs.
It's like in any other MMOs. That's standard MMOs strategy to wake up interest for each of their products because money has to come from somewhere, especially for a free to play MMO. But it always remains optional (just, it needs to accept not doing all contents if we decide to ignore). Fair enough. A possible solution is swapping to a game with a monthly fee (whereas for what I know, it doesn't change much).
For me, it's a "no issue" here.Edited by DreamyLu on September 10, 2022 4:03AMI'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message... PC/NA1 -
rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Skipping endeavors and crown crates does not make you miss anything that you need to play the game. I'd rather pay for subscription to have access to all content and earn everything jut by playing the game but unfortunately that is not the way ESO is monetized, likely because that model needs developers produce continuing flow of good quality content or sink.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭3 of today's 5 endeavors don't require owning anything other than the base game and any free-to-access DLCs.
2 of them involve DLCs which must be purchased through the Crown Store or accessed via an active ESO Plus subscription.
I don't know whether having 2 in a single day that require access to a DLC is an increase, because I think it's happened before and that it's more of an exception than a rule. In any case, you can still do 3 endeavors today if desired without needing any DLCs to do them. That would mean you'd essentially have no choice of which ones to do, but it's still possible to do 3.
I originally swore to myself that I'd never buy Crowns or buy any DLCs beyond the ones I'd initially purchased, so I think I can understand where you're coming from.
I did eventually start buying Crowns for DLCs, and then for Crowns-only houses, and I even decided to subscribe to ESO Plus. Not that I'm suggesting you might want to start doing the same, just saying that I was once of a similar mind as you.
However, these days players who don't want to, or can't afford to, buy Crowns for DLCs can use their in-game gold to pay other players to gift them DLCs and other items from the Crown Store, which wasn't permitted back when I started playing. If there is a specific DLC-related endeavor you'd like to be able to do, you might consider acquiring the DLC through that method.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Kirawolfe✭✭✭✭✭I got Greymoor for $7 on Steam and it came with Elsweyr, Summerset, Morrowind, etc.
You can buy DLC with gold from the game in a crown transaction.
To me, getting angry because a certain part of the game makes use of content that isn't included in the base game, but includes content from what is still the game - suggesting that anything that makes you pay for anything is predatory - is a selfish reaction.
It's become more the norm to expect so much for free, when that's really not that feasible, or fair.1 -
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✭✭Drammanoth wrote: »
It may, or may not be known that ZOS introduced Seals as a means to bypass the European ban on loot boxes.Ragnarok0130 wrote: »SizanLopkniht wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »SizanLopkniht wrote: »HertoginJanneke wrote: »If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.
Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
It's an endeavor. You don't HAVE to do them all every day.
Endeavors weren't even implemented until fairly recently. Whatever did you do before they existed?
The point is predatory marketing leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths and hurts the company image.
I criticize ZoS' business practices and monetization a lot but this is not predatory. You have enough daily endeavors able to be completed in the base game to get your daily three endeavors completed. You cannot do more than 3 daily endeavors so you are not missing out on anything so those who own the entire game aren't getting extra seals that the vanilla guys are missing out on.
I will always say that this marketing gimmick was a great tactics, and we get another portion of activities to be completed. So it's a win-win.
I completely agree that seals were implemented to assuage the EU's loot box ban and that is why it's the bare minimum required to bypass the ban yet still make buying the "surprise mechanics"loot boxes a more palatable solution to the player base isntead of relying on seals alone for what we want. That being said given the situation at hand owning the DLC provides 0% more seals than only owning the base game so I cannot in good faith call shenanigans on ZoS as much as I'd dearly love to.1 -
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✭✭SizanLopkniht wrote: »HertoginJanneke wrote: »If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.
Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
I mean, Endeavors are predatory marketing strategies by default because they only exist to appease Microsoft's anti-gambling box rules... I rather if we could just completely do away with gambling boxes and endeavors as a whole.
It's not Microsoft's anti-loot box regulations as Halo 5 has loot boxes, it's several EU member states who need to be appeased because they've ruled loot boxes to be gambling. They are the reason Microsoft moved away from the Devil's Toybox.
BTW, when will ZoS be brought up to Microsoft corporate standards for in game purchases? Xbox Live moved away from in game currencies several years ago because it obfuscated the actual monetary value of the transaction on Xbox Live so items on XBL are no longer lsited in Xbox Live Points but in local currency denominations. Zenimax as a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft should make the move to listing items in the crown store in Dollars/Euros/Etc instead of in crowns. When is this slated to happen?2 -
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✭SizanLopkniht wrote: »Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.
"If I pay nothing and can't access everything it's predatory marketing"
There was a free eso+ week recently and I used it to get access to the blade of woe and thieves guild for thieves troves ( amongst other things) on my 2nd account. These things remain with you even after eso+ expires. That feels quite generous to me6
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