Kill 5 void creatures- Another Endeavor locked behind a paywall

SaffronCitrusflower

Sure, there are other endeavors that players can do to get their 3 daily endeavors, but increasing the frequency of locking endeavors behind a paywall is a bad look.

rauyran

Are they increasing the frequency? There always seem to be at least 3 that are from the base game and one or two that need a DLC like dark brotherhood or thieves guild.

HertoginJanneke

If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.

SaffronCitrusflower

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.

Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.

AcadianPaladin

I see no reason to penalize those who own all the game. A wide variety of endeavors is a good thing and using the entire game supports that.

SaffronCitrusflower

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.

Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.

It's an endeavor. You don't HAVE to do them all every day.

Endeavors weren't even implemented until fairly recently. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

The point is predatory marketing leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths and hurts the company image.

SaffronCitrusflower

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I see no reason to penalize those who own all the game. A wide variety of endeavors is a good thing and using the entire game supports that.

How does putting endeavors behind a paywall "penalize those who own all the game"?

Bouldercleave

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.

Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.

It's an endeavor. You don't HAVE to do them all every day.

Endeavors weren't even implemented until fairly recently. [snip]

[Edit for bait.]

The point is predatory marketing leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths and hurts the company image.

Please explain to me and all the simple folk here how ENDEAVORS are predatory marketing???

spartaxoxo

It's not predatory marketing to give additional options to people who own DLC. If they made it so you missed days if you didn't own the dlc and literally couldn't do anything else, that would be another matter. But they always make it so that everyone can get all all endeavors regardless of DLC ownership, owning DLC simply adds more variety. That is perfectly fair.

Dr_Con

complete a battleground, use a treasure map, and make 5 things at the enchanting table then. None of these is behind a paywall and your argument is invalidated, you can still get your 45 seals of endeavor.

[snip]
[edited for baiting]

opalcity

I haven't seen an increase in frequency, can you show me the numbers?

There are usually three endeavours every day that people with base game can do. Also, all three of the weekly endeavours are base game.

opalcity

Nevermind, here's the first year report from Benevolentbowd:




Source: https://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-theorycrafting-endeavors-year-one/4/

agelonestar

I don't think even I - with my near-terminal dislike for the way ZoS operates - can fault them for trying to encourage people to buy all the content and raise revenue.

In some ways I'm surprised they don't do this more.

Firstmep

If the endeavor was to buy crown crates I'd understand, but this? The pve content in this game provides 100s of hours of entertainment, so do the dlcs.
Ofc they are not free.

redlink1979

There's 3 of the 5 options that can be completed within the base game, as usual.
What's the issue?

Snamyap

agelonestar wrote: »

I don't think even I - with my near-terminal dislike for the way ZoS operates - can fault them for trying to encourage people to buy all the content and raise revenue.

In some ways I'm surprised they don't do this more.

Agreed. Besides, there is nothing in the endeavour shop that you need to complete content or be competitive in pvp. Complaining that you need something to obtain something you don't need is a bit weird.

Danikat

I don't see how this is predatory marketing. Or if it is surely it's much, much worse than some cosmetics, useful items like set gear, quests, achievements, features like companions and the new card game, entire maps etc. are completely exclusive to people who buy the DLC/chapters or subscribe?

By comparison making 1/5 endeavours require DLC just means people who don't have it will need to choose a different endeavour, skip 1 of the 3 today and wait longer to get the same items or buy crown crates to try for them through drops/gems (since endeavours can only be used to buy crown crate items). It's a different route but it leads to the same end result, which to my way of thinking is not at all like being completely unable to access parts of the game without paying.

But if we say that selling DLC or charging a subscription is also predatory then we're at a point where a company is not allowed to sell the product they've made, which doesn't work at all.

Lady_Galadhiel

Possible the options today aren't great as 2 activities are locked behind DLC's.One out of 5 options should be from a DLC and the other 4 from the base game where one is PVP stuff anyways.
Thing is, in my opinion, the DLC activities should be the quicker easier options but instead they are tedious in most ocasions.

Danikat

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Possible the options today aren't great as 2 activities are locked behind DLC's.One out of 5 options should be from a DLC and the other 4 from the base game where one is PVP stuff anyways.
Thing is, in my opinion, the DLC activities should be the quicker easier options but instead they are tedious in most ocasions.

I know ZOS will never tell us but I'd love to know how many active players actually don't own anything except the base game.

There's a popular assumption among some people that the player base is nearly split into subscribers and "free" players who buy the cheapest version and then absolutely nothing else ever, but in my experience it's not nearly that simple. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't usually subscribe but buys all the DLC and chapters I want to play.

I suspect those who are playing frequently enough to worry about completing endeavours regularly and own nothing but the base game are a small enough group that ZOS doesn't think it's necessary to go out of their way to accommodate them. Especially in a system which was designed to give a work-around to buying crown crates, meaning I suspect some people at ZOS would like to discourage anyone from using it at all in the hope that we'll spend money instead.

Lady_Galadhiel

Danikat wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Possible the options today aren't great as 2 activities are locked behind DLC's.One out of 5 options should be from a DLC and the other 4 from the base game where one is PVP stuff anyways.
Thing is, in my opinion, the DLC activities should be the quicker easier options but instead they are tedious in most ocasions.

I know ZOS will never tell us but I'd love to know how many active players actually don't own anything except the base game.

There's a popular assumption among some people that the player base is nearly split into subscribers and "free" players who buy the cheapest version and then absolutely nothing else ever, but in my experience it's not nearly that simple. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't usually subscribe but buys all the DLC and chapters I want to play.

I suspect those who are playing frequently enough to worry about completing endeavours regularly and own nothing but the base game are a small enough group that ZOS doesn't think it's necessary to go out of their way to accommodate them. Especially in a system which was designed to give a work-around to buying crown crates, meaning I suspect some people at ZOS would like to discourage anyone from using it at all in the hope that we'll spend money instead.

They surely do, this is the reason they are slowly increasing the amount of things we need to do to complete certain endeavors.
Instead of 5 atronarchs it's 10, instead of stealing 10 items it's 15, instead of 80 plants its 100,and so on.
They want to make sure the activities become as long as possible so people will miss out some, won't bother with doing them or lock them behind DLC's.
What should I say? It works in my case, on my Na account I don't complete all seals anymore, let alone the weekly ones if they aren't something I would do anyway like collecting resources when doing surveys or things like these.

Ragnarok0130

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.

Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.

It's an endeavor. You don't HAVE to do them all every day.

Endeavors weren't even implemented until fairly recently. Whatever did you do before they existed?

The point is predatory marketing leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths and hurts the company image.

I criticize ZoS' business practices and monetization a lot but this is not predatory. You have enough daily endeavors able to be completed in the base game to get your daily three endeavors completed. You cannot do more than 3 daily endeavors so you are not missing out on anything so those who own the entire game aren't getting extra seals that the vanilla guys are missing out on.

Drammanoth

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.

Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.

It's an endeavor. You don't HAVE to do them all every day.

Endeavors weren't even implemented until fairly recently. Whatever did you do before they existed?

The point is predatory marketing leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths and hurts the company image.

I criticize ZoS' business practices and monetization a lot but this is not predatory. You have enough daily endeavors able to be completed in the base game to get your daily three endeavors completed. You cannot do more than 3 daily endeavors so you are not missing out on anything so those who own the entire game aren't getting extra seals that the vanilla guys are missing out on.

It may, or may not be known that ZOS introduced Seals as a means to bypass the European ban on loot boxes.

I will always say that this marketing gimmick was a great tactics, and we get another portion of activities to be completed. So it's a win-win.

barney2525

I got the whole game, but I don't even know where the Void Creatures are.

I just ignore it and do something else.

I don't see where its a big deal. Endeavors are just freebies. Pain in the but stuff like 'must kill it with Weapon'. But in the end, it's still freebies. Not like they have to be offered at all.

MaraxusTheOrc

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

If you don't have all content, don't expect to be able to do all content.

Or we could just play ESO less and find games that engage in less predatory marketing strategies.

If an endeavor - an optional relatively low value activity buried in a menu you have to go out of your way to see and do - is predatory marketing, I think you might want to rethink your definition.

Kiralyn2000

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

The point is predatory marketing leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths and hurts the company image.

So no game content should use/touch DLC, so that you're not "paywalled" from it? Well, that sucks for everyone who has the DLC, since nothing else new would ever tie in to it.

AcadianPaladin

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I see no reason to penalize those who own all the game. A wide variety of endeavors is a good thing and using the entire game supports that.

How does putting endeavors behind a paywall "penalize those who own all the game"?

If ZoS excludes DLC/Chapter content from endeavors, it means those who own all the game will have less variety for endeavors. Since it is 5 a day every single day, the less repetition the better and accessing more content means less repetition. Therefore, I like that ZoS includes DLC/Chapter content when crafting their list of endeavors.

opalcity

barney2525 wrote: »

I got the whole game, but I don't even know where the Void Creatures are.

I just ignore it and do something else.

I don't see where its a big deal. Endeavors are just freebies. Pain in the but stuff like 'must kill it with Weapon'. But in the end, it's still freebies. Not like they have to be offered at all.

If you, or anyone else, want tips on completing endeavours try https://benevolentbowd.ca/games/esotu/eso-endeavors/

It is updated daily and includes tips on what you need to do, what items count for a particular endeavour, and where to go to find what you need.

whitecrow

barney2525 wrote: »

I got the whole game, but I don't even know where the Void Creatures are.

They can be found in the Reach, and in Blackreach beneath.

Remathilis

barney2525 wrote: »

I got the whole game, but I don't even know where the Void Creatures are.

The Blackreach zone under Markarth, like Nighthollow keep.

AcadianPaladin

I got mine in Blackreach Arkthzand zone inside Nighthollow Keep. Went through almost all of the keep and only in the last chamber did I find two or three void blobs and a void mother - and they do respawn. There may have been more earlier in the keep but there was at least one other player so they might have been killed right before I came through.

whitecrow

You can also fight the Voidmother in the Reach, and complete a daily in the process.