21000 crowns is not enough!

Raammzzaa · September 2022

Why is 21000 crowns the maximum that I can obtain with a single purchase? Why can’t I buy 50000 crowns if I want to without needing to piece together smaller odd lots? Isn’t 21000 a really strange increment anyhow?

boi_anachronism_ · September 2022

Thass alottta crowns yo whatchu wanna do with 50k crowns

SeaGtGruff · September 2022

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Not really. Now that so many Crowns-only houses coming back throughout the year-- apparently at least one a month, and in some months two or three-- it's starting to reach the point where a few larger Crown packs makes sense, especially since it's been reported by a few players who had purchased multiple packs at once that their credit card companies decided to deny all but one of the packs on the grounds that they thought it was some kind of glitched transaction where the additional packs were mistakes, which led to charge-backs, which led to temporarily losing their ESO accounts until they contacted their credit card companies to get it straightened out.

ArchMikem · September 2022

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Well, i mean it's not your cash they want to throw at ZOS.

Lephrel · September 2022

"ZOS had not been two weeks from shore
When down on them a right whale bore
Pacrooti called all hands and swore
He'd take that whale in tow

Soon may the Wellerman come
To bring us sugar and tea and rum..."

Roztlin45 · September 2022

It could be a limitation on single-amount purchases for those that can not govern spending habits or accidental overbuy.

Timorelle · September 2022

Shameless plug for Capitol One as a credit card company. They have a very generous points reward system, they give you an awesome unique metal card instead of the usual plastic one, and (most relevant here), every time I make a multi-pack purchase during crown sales they send me a quick "Heyo was this intentional? Because if not we gonna help you fight it!" text, I say "Yup it was me, we good!" and they say "No worries brotato, just checking!". Making me feel safe from fraud but at the same time not freezing my account or otherwise making my life unduly difficult.

Tenthirty2 · September 2022

/entered thread expecting news of some ZoS compensation offering

/left thread with LOLz

Fair trade off, TY

PrimusTiberius · September 2022

Raammzzaa wrote: »

21000 crowns is not enough!

haha....Bravo

danno8 · September 2022

MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »

Oh wow, you only want a 50k crate bundle? Can you even buy anything for that?

You can buy the new housing furniture wall decoration:

wolfie1.0. · September 2022

Maybe if they reduce the price of crowns per dollar ...

Sarannah · September 2022

I've asked this before, whenever there is a sale I buy like 6-8 of the 21k packs. But I think this has to do with banking, and frauddetection. When suddenly huge amounts of money transfer, they could possibly get flagged, put on hold for suspicion, or get returned automatically.

I try to re-stock my crowns to 200k+ whenever there is a crown sale. As I like to buy all the houses and anything else I like. Just this week I have started working on a second home, going from a fully functional hew's bane palace to the darkbrotherhood sanctum home. Which requires some buying, test dummies, vampire amenities, the two mundus stones I use(too expensive to buy them all), and some other stuff.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2022

Sarannah wrote: »

I've asked this before, whenever there is a sale I buy like 6-8 of the 21k packs. But I think this has to do with banking, and frauddetection. When suddenly huge amounts of money transfer, they could possibly get flagged, put on hold for suspicion, or get returned automatically.

I try to re-stock my crowns to 200k+ whenever there is a crown sale. As I like to buy all the houses and anything else I like. Just this week I have started working on a second home, going from a fully functional hew's bane palace to the darkbrotherhood sanctum home. Which requires some buying, test dummies, vampire amenities, the two mundus stones I use(too expensive to buy them all), and some other stuff.

Lol, and people think the game is dying. The Crown Store apparently really is the true end game.

To the OP, you know you can buy two packs, right?

ZOS_GregoryV · September 2022

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wolfie1.0. · September 2022

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

I've asked this before, whenever there is a sale I buy like 6-8 of the 21k packs. But I think this has to do with banking, and frauddetection. When suddenly huge amounts of money transfer, they could possibly get flagged, put on hold for suspicion, or get returned automatically.

I try to re-stock my crowns to 200k+ whenever there is a crown sale. As I like to buy all the houses and anything else I like. Just this week I have started working on a second home, going from a fully functional hew's bane palace to the darkbrotherhood sanctum home. Which requires some buying, test dummies, vampire amenities, the two mundus stones I use(too expensive to buy them all), and some other stuff.

Lol, and people think the game is dying. The Crown Store apparently really is the true end game.

To the OP, you know you can buy two packs, right?

The problem is more that you can't buy multiple items at the same time. For example I can't buy high isle and 14k crowns at the same time. I would have to go back and start the purchasing process over from the start.

Living_Tribunal · September 2022

Never mind

FlopsyPrince · September 2022

Raammzzaa wrote: »

Why is 21000 crowns the maximum that I can obtain with a single purchase? Why can’t I buy 50000 crowns if I want to without needing to piece together smaller odd lots? Isn’t 21000 a really strange increment anyhow?

I see no reason we shouldn't be able to buy multiple copies of items like the Crown packages at once. Buying several puts you at risk of your credit card getting denied thinking you have been compromised!

(I have faced that.)

(I do buy crowns during sales, though ZOS has pushed me in other areas and I probably should stop that completely.)

FlopsyPrince · September 2022

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a handful of posts, we would like to remind everyone that Trolling and Baiting is a violation of the Community Rules, and is stated as follows:
Trolling or Baiting: The act of trolling is defined as something that is created for the intent to provoke conflict, shock others, or to elicit a strong negative or emotional reaction. It’s okay and very normal to disagree with others, and even to debate, but provoking conflict, baiting, inciting, mocking, etc. is never acceptable in the official The Elder Scrolls Online community. If you do not have something constructive or meaningful to add to a discussion, we strongly recommend you refrain from posting in that thread, and find another discussion to participate in instead. It is also not constructive or helpful to publicly call out others and accuse them of trolling, or call them a troll—please refrain from doing so. If you genuinely believe someone is trolling, please report the post or thread to the ESO Team, and leave it at that.

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The standard for baiting is very loose, so everyone should be cautious here. Things that do not fit the definition in your mind may in their minds, so keep that in mind when participating here. (I am not arguing moderation, just noting others should read more into this than they might. Baiting is much broader than what I read in the note here.)

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · September 2022

Agree with you @Raammzzaa and I've posted about this before. Would like a 42k crown pack.

Hapexamendios · September 2022

Can't say for others, but on PS I'm pretty sure the limit is imposed by Sony's policies and not ZoS for buying Crown packs.

hiddencontentx · September 2022

i bought the max crowns one time, when they were half off 😂

ATomiX69 · September 2022

Thats literally how marketing works, first you decouple actual real-world currency from ingame currency to make it harder to put a price on the thing you wanna buy and then you make currency packs where you will just not have enough crowns to make a purchase of the desired product or you will be left with like 30% more than you needed after the purchase.
Its all psychology and (scummy) marketing.

Hämähäkki · September 2022

As far as I'm concerned, people can buy as many crowns as they want, it finances the game I am playing.

They want 50k crown bundles? Go for it.

ceiron · September 2022

Raammzzaa wrote: »

Why is 21000 crowns the maximum that I can obtain with a single purchase? Why can’t I buy 50000 crowns if I want to without needing to piece together smaller odd lots? Isn’t 21000 a really strange increment anyhow?

Originally crown only houses were 21k crowns. So assuming thats how they set the pack. Not seen any of the houses near that now. Average 14k hence the next pack. My assumption

Prof_Bawbag · September 2022

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Can't say for others, but on PS I'm pretty sure the limit is imposed by Sony's policies and not ZoS for buying Crown packs.

Nah, it's the same on all platforms. If i try to buy more than 2 things on Xbox within seconds, one of the transactions gets cancelled, unless I'm using pre-paid MS credit.

I'm gonna go against the grain here. I think it's a good thing. Stops people from impulsively buying an inane amount of fake currency and allows a cooling off period. Done it myself, albeit not with ESO. Went to buy stuff, got declined, had a think about it, and just stuck with the one product. It also stops kids from emptying their parents credit cards on a whim. Something that many f2p mobile games abuse.

TheGreatBlackBear · September 2022

The thing is the bigger the pack the more money they lose because the price per crown drops. That's not a desirable outcome for them.

spartaxoxo · September 2022

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

The thing is the bigger the pack the more money they lose because the price per crown drops. That's not a desirable outcome for them.

No. It is. Because they get more money than if the person only bought 1 pack. And crowns cost them nothing to offer.

TheGreatBlackBear · September 2022

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

The thing is the bigger the pack the more money they lose because the price per crown drops. That's not a desirable outcome for them.

No. It is. Because they get more money than if the person only bought 1 pack. And crowns cost them nothing to offer.

Not really. If someone needs/wants X amount of crowns then more than likely they'll just buy that amount or the pack size that covers . Regardless of the permutations needed to get there. Here's a break down if how much it actually costs the more you spend

Crowns USD Crowns per USD
750 7.99 93.87
1500 14.99 100.07
3000 24.99 120.05
5500 39.99 137.53
14000 99.99 140.01
21000 149.99 140.01

For OP's scenario they want 50k crowns going by ZOS's bulk rate of 140.01 that's works out to be $357.12 when rounded. That's kind of a weird number and customers don't like prices ending in weird numbers so they'll probably cut that down to an even $350. That works out to about 142.8 crowns per dollar. Scaled up by a magnitude of thousands or tens of thousands of buyers over a quarter that's a lot of money lost compared to having customers make smaller but more frequent purchases

Prof_Bawbag · September 2022

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

The thing is the bigger the pack the more money they lose because the price per crown drops. That's not a desirable outcome for them.

No. It is. Because they get more money than if the person only bought 1 pack. And crowns cost them nothing to offer.

Not really. If someone needs/wants X amount of crowns then more than likely they'll just buy that amount or the pack size that covers . Regardless of the permutations needed to get there. Here's a break down if how much it actually costs the more you spend

Crowns USD Crowns per USD
750 7.99 93.87
1500 14.99 100.07
3000 24.99 120.05
5500 39.99 137.53
14000 99.99 140.01
21000 149.99 140.01

For OP's scenario they want 50k crowns going by ZOS's bulk rate of 140.01 that's works out to be $357.12 when rounded. That's kind of a weird number and customers don't like prices ending in weird numbers so they'll probably cut that down to an even $350. That works out to about 142.8 crowns per dollar. Scaled up by a magnitude of thousands or tens of thousands of buyers over a quarter that's a lot of money lost compared to having customers make smaller but more frequent purchases

On paper your logic is sound, but almost every product is cheaper the more you buy. Companies simply wouldn't do it if what you said was diminishing their profits. Hell, even take a bottle of cola. The smaller 500ml are a helluva lot more expensive than if you were to buy a 2L bottle of cola. Seriously, I'm struggling to think of a single product that is more expensive the more you buy. It's usually the opposite. Bulk is King for both the consumer and retailer/manufacturer.

Plus, when it comes to in game digital goods, there is no shelf space to pay for, no materials needed, no more production costs once the whatever-it-is has been made. Thus, they can have an infinite number of any given product. So they aren't losing anything. I'm also assuming MS, Steam and Sony get more money from people purchasing twice than they would if it was a single purchase.

FrancisCrawford · September 2022

Lephrel wrote: »

"ZOS had not been two weeks from shore
When down on them a right whale bore
Pacrooti called all hands and swore
He'd take that whale in tow

Soon may the Wellerman come
To bring us sugar and tea and rum..."

That song is new to me. Thanks!

The chorus makes me think of a verse from Charlie on the M.T.A. ... but wetter.

FrancisCrawford · September 2022

Actually, this Wellerman video might be construed as a metaphor for endgame, and particularly for the floor/ceiling gap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0DUcCVpVc