Tandor wrote: »

SPR_of_HA_community wrote: »

Ghaleb wrote: »

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

sbr32 wrote: »

The small instanced shards you were on were packed. You cannot yell anything about the overall game's population based on the instance you are in

You could say similar to those that claim the game is dying because a few of their friends left

Highlight by me in sbr32’s text. He didn't state anything different and the forum and threads have circled now one too many times around this item. Same with people not knowing that the trial dummy has been buffed with up to 20% dps increase when stating nothing has changed for them.

We don’t know how many active and paying players ESO has. I assume they would be boasting about the numbers if it would be close to or above 1 million. As they are dead silent on that, I assume it is nowhere near that. More we can’t say / assume. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Topic that some one post here shows 36/64 Steam/Site players.

If some players have ban on forum and some part of steam players do not use it and even do not use official site we can think that real numbers are a little different.

The same poll on reddit I see had about 50/50 numbers that I think is more correct.

So for PC online we can double steam numbers with some +- correction to it.

The same time there are players on Xbox and Play station, I do not know any numbers about them.

Doesn't all that rather depend on what percentage of the playerbase actually post on the forum or Reddit? If you can't provide those statistics then you're whistling into the wind so far as guessing how representative the forum and Reddit are of the overall playerbase.

Well, we know how many players have ever posted on the forums: 162,105 people have the badge for making their first comment. The number of active members is certainly considerable lower.

We also know how many people are currently members of r/elderscrollsonline: 394,547 Soul-shriven.

Now as for how that compares to the active playerbase numbers, I have no idea. AFAIK, ZOS doesn't release those numbers.

Though I suspect that by their very nature as fan sites, both the Reddit and Forum members tend to be rather more engaged with out-of-game ESO content like Patch Notes, content creators, fan discussions, balance debates, and the like than players who don't participate in ESO communities outside of the game.

Myself and most of my friends were theory craftors.... in PvP.

I had 8 different PvP MagDk's at the same time at one point.

Now everything is just one homogenous blob of mediocrity. All the identity has been stripped for Sets, things that made classes unique are gone... skills have been nerfed or changed to nothingness.
They should roll this game back to 2018, and not touch it for 2 years.

sinnereso wrote: »

Real quitters just quit!! They dont need any attention.. They dont need to go on and on and on on forums.. They just do it!.. THIS whatever u want to call it is simply scare tactics to try and manipulate ZOS into doing your bidding.. end of story!!

The game is fine and will be fine once all is tweaked as they have planned!

Yow!
Everyone has a right to be heard, dang. Anyway.

Fwiw, I have quit (hard-cancelled my sub too) for the coming time period (like properly, entirely, not even login rewards and writs) and most of my guild discords? Crickets. They're silent for the first time in months.

But I mean, yeah, I peek in forums not to rant and rail, so much as to see if there's any news of fixes or a rollback, something to breathe a faint hope. Though, I don't see whats wrong with us wanting to communicate with the devs and let them know we care about the game, that we don't want to leave, that it's not a choice, or to "get at them", but rather a resignation.

Because me? I love Tamriel. I've loved Tamriel for decades.
I truly truly do. An sure, it's a game, but it's a game I've spent a lot of time within, and I'm hurting right now, and I'm not the only one. I've been a soloer a long time, but something cool? This year, I'd fallen in love with PVP for the first time over MYM, and was not long ago, singing the devs praises over what a fantastic idea the Zenithar's Zeal event was, because it had finally incentivized guildie interaction and ice-breaking for those of us it didn't come natural to.
Even after, it made it easier to socialize with my guilds, and I'd finally, after 8 years, begun forming real friendships in this game.

It was really... man, it was nice. Wholesome. I'd always enjoyed the lore, but I had never treasured the social elements before.
Losing it hurts. So many guilds (yes it's anecdata, but mine anyway) are riddled with tumbleweeds now. I popped on for a moment to say hello/gbye and they were silent, there was just one person there and they were super bummed.

So what it comes down to, is like... know that saying?

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

In the process of fixing things that were fine, or... if not fine, not awful... in the process of fixing them using a-a chainsaw instead of a scalpel, not only was it not fixed, but broken further, and the community was broken apart too.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, please pass this along. Community is your arena, so I figured you were the one to tag.

U35 wasn't the way. Whatever people may feel about the changes, it's clearly not doing good things for the communities morale.

Hope U36 brings brighter news, fam.

[edited for typoes; phrasing >.<;]

johnicus wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Y'all do realize that between the two statements "Among the players I know, there's a quitting epidemic" and "Among the players I know, there's not a quitting epidemic" can both be true statements, right? You're starting to circle quite a bit.

This is true to an extent, but still seeing a lot of players in every town and zone shows that these parts of the game have not been negatively affected.

Funny, I've played since 2015, and since I telework I'm on a lot of the day, and see exactly the opposite. Most zones are ghost towns and our large trade guilds struggle to break 100 people of 500 online ever...

I play PCNA during the day and evening and the towns are always busy.

Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »

Myself and most of my friends were theory craftors.... in PvP.

I had 8 different PvP MagDk's at the same time at one point.

Now everything is just one homogenous blob of mediocrity. All the identity has been stripped for Sets, things that made classes unique are gone... skills have been nerfed or changed to nothingness.
They should roll this game back to 2018, and not touch it for 2 years.

This. Remember that the current Dev team aren't the originals. They are working on someone else's established work. And for years now they have been draining the game of every ounce of fun content. For this. This isn't the first time their incredibly unpopular and unwise choices have sparked an exodus of paying customers. Only the latest.

The bet, and so far they have been correct, is that after a round of advertisements of new content a features and content, new players will replace the old. And the cycle begins again. Many of you may be experiencing this for the first time and the space you now occupy was once filled by another customer that left in rage after the content they payed for and spent hours on was rendered unrecognizable.

But this is unsustainable. Eventually they will run out of new players to put through the grinder. Zos as they are now is driving the game off a cliff towards it's death. Not today or tomorrow but soon enough. Something will break. And it will be their fault. In the meantime, never let it be known what you enjoy about this game because they'll jump out the shadows and snatch it. I refuse to believe that the outright mutilation of Jabs and Flurry were accidents.

johnicus wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Y'all do realize that between the two statements "Among the players I know, there's a quitting epidemic" and "Among the players I know, there's not a quitting epidemic" can both be true statements, right? You're starting to circle quite a bit.

This is true to an extent, but still seeing a lot of players in every town and zone shows that these parts of the game have not been negatively affected.

Funny, I've played since 2015, and since I telework I'm on a lot of the day, and see exactly the opposite. Most zones are ghost towns and our large trade guilds struggle to break 100 people of 500 online ever...

There are just as many NPC's in every town as there ever were. So nothing has changed with the population. /sarcasm

The primary difference after U35 is the extreme decline in players willing to pay a monthly sub for the game. Sure, they'll still play, but they won't pay the sub anymore because changes this extreme and this spastic are not fun.

Does Zenimax even reading the stories here in the tread? No comment or anything here.

SilverBride wrote: »

johnicus wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Y'all do realize that between the two statements "Among the players I know, there's a quitting epidemic" and "Among the players I know, there's not a quitting epidemic" can both be true statements, right? You're starting to circle quite a bit.

This is true to an extent, but still seeing a lot of players in every town and zone shows that these parts of the game have not been negatively affected.

Funny, I've played since 2015, and since I telework I'm on a lot of the day, and see exactly the opposite. Most zones are ghost towns and our large trade guilds struggle to break 100 people of 500 online ever...

I play PCNA during the day and evening and the towns are always busy.

Which "the towns" are you talking about, even 3-4 years ago not all of them are busy

Kingsindarkness wrote: »

Outofvoid wrote: »

Does Zenimax even reading the stories here in the tread? No comment or anything here.

No because there really is no truth behind the thread at least for the game in general....vet trail runners may be leaving but they are the smallest demographic in the game.

I figure this thread will burn itself out or Frustration will build to a point that it will be closed like all the other threads of this type has been so far.

Just calling balls and strikes here guys...don't shoot the messenger.

(God I love mix metaphors )

The groups that said they're quitting are slowly realizing their dps is fine. Not to mention there are events coming so they definitely will be back this month and next.

You also probably have lots of people like me who log in on the last character to level riding and do the daily endorsements and log off again. Now I was kind of burned out anyway so something like U35 drove me away.
Note how the daily endorsements got way more grindy and then rolled this back.
I assume U36 will roll most of this *** back same as happened after Morrowind, but harder as Morrowind chapter had Morrowind, but also assume templar would be permanently ruined the same way the fun of sorcerer went away.

"I'm still here. Thanks for asking."

BahometZ wrote: »

You know that ZOS will still consider players who have gone into maintenance mode just as much as the players who are logged on for hours as part of their happy overall player numbers. You log in, you're a positive statistic.

You'd think they'd know better. History suggest they do not as we are witnessing it repeat. All of those 'maintenance mode' players are customers that could be potentially dropping more coins into the game via subs, DLC, cosmetics, etc. I'll speak to my personal experience:

I'm not the kind of player that makes superfluous purchases. Like most people here gaming is a hobby, not a financial priority. There are 1000 other more important things I have to consider when I open my wallet, debating with myself if a sub for {Insert Event/DLC} is worth it. And yet to my own surprise I have on rare occasions purchased useless cosmetics, justified by the amount of time I spend in-game. And expansions like Summerset? The excitement for big new content usually overruled everything else.

But now? That's gone. Zos lost me. No High Isle for me. No more subs. Cosmetics are out of the question. It's decidedly NOT worth it anymore because I, and I am not alone, have determined that the quality we initially were willing to pay for again and again is no longer here. Because Zos killed it. On purpose. Against the expressed will of large swathes of the player base.

Again and again, with each update there is less and less to be excited about. I believe that the devs will reverse course here, as they've done in similar self-inflicted disasters. At the end of the day this is a business and the displeasure of 'maintenance mode' players like myself is negatively affecting the bottom line.

The most frustrating thing is that they know this. We've been here before. But for some ungodly reason this sad cycle is allowed to repeat again. The health of the game suffers and both Devs and players are worse off. And for what?

SilverBride wrote: »

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

There is no quitting ESO epidemic.

There absolutely IS an epidemic of people leaving ESO. Ask any trading guild GM. Ask any trial raid leader. Ask any PvP regular and they will tell you there absolutely IS a mass exodus of players leaving ESO.

I've been a member of a successful trading guild for quite awhile now and we had one member say they were unhappy with the changes. Except for an occasional member leaving, which happens in all guilds, the only ones we lost since the update were those who were purged for not meeting the weekly sales requirements, and they were quickly replaced.

I've been all over Tamriel and I see just as many other players as I always have going about business as usual.

You don't seem to look at the numbers then, because your statements are demonstrably already proven false by all data analytical and anecdotal. Outside of the launch date, the peak player count has a daily peak of 21,000 players, with a monthly average was 13,870 players. The month before this launch and the month this U35 was announced, it saw a peak of 27,000 with an average of 16,000. This means there is a more fine line Steam ALONE, which if you assume is half you can easily double this metric, this metric gets predictably worse if steam is less than half. An active player loss of 6,000-12,000 between steam and non-steam definitely proves everyone including OP correct about this massive issue. Pretending that this isn't a situation that has genuinely on a massive scale affected the game with large impacts in almost every community is doing not only the game a disservice for its health but is blatantly being ignorant to one of the largest single patch exoduses ever More players left now than the amount that left past Morrowind.

While I can see the appeal and pleasures of wearing rose-tinted glasses and ignoring this situation or dismissing it as non-existent. This is a damaging mentality to have for getting the game back to a healthy state and perpetuates the developers potentially looking away from the situation until it's over instead of addressing it.