Ummm...how about just don't fake tank at all? The truth is if someone is willing to fake tank in the first place they don't care what you want them to bring to the table. If they did, they wouldn't be someone who fake tanks.
Bobby's_UserID wrote: »Ummm...how about just don't fake tank at all? The truth is if someone is willing to fake tank in the first place they don't care what you want them to bring to the table. If they did, they wouldn't be someone who fake tanks.
Well the problem is in my opinion the difference in what people see as fake tanking.
For example, I would say I fake tank on my magblade every day for the normal dungeon reward. But I have a specific setup, I bring a taunt(Inner Beast), I bring major breach (Razor Caltrops), I even bring something to stack "harder" adds (Silver Leash).
I can survive almost everything (only exception that comes to my mind is Ulfnor in nFL, when I get feared and then eat the heavy because I can't roll dodge), since I soloed all possible dungeons, I know how to LoS/stack stuff and also bring usually ~50-70% group dps. I probably bring more to the table than a fresh cp 160 tank.
Most people I encounter don't have any problem with that, but lots of people hate "fake tanks", because the define them as inconsiderate guy, that skips queue, runs ahead, leaves trash behind, doesn't taunt, doesn't do enough damage, dies constantly and doesn't wait for people on quest/before bosses. I would agree, that those people should stop what they are doing.
Honestly, don't give the fakers a fraction of an inch. It is disrespectful to every other group member who patiently waited their turn in que. Any dps, reguardless of content that thinks they're soo good and above waiting in line is not somebody i want in my party OR my game for that matter.
Call then out, let them know that we see you being the worst dps out of the entire party with their main chracter syndrome having arses. Seriously, every fake Ive ever come across I copy dps numbers and that shuts them up real quick.
Honestly, don't give the fakers a fraction of an inch. It is disrespectful to every other group member who patiently waited their turn in que. Any dps, reguardless of content that thinks they're soo good and above waiting in line is not somebody i want in my party OR my game for that matter.
Call then out, let them know that we see you being the worst dps out of the entire party with their main chracter syndrome having arses. Seriously, every fake Ive ever come across I copy dps numbers and that shuts them up real quick.
A poster, who feels it´s ok if the fake role brings something to the group. Eight out of ten not able to bring anything to the group.
I feel it´s kind of naiv, really.
Also, other players expect something from another role.
PS: I do not think fake DPS exists, only bad ones.
Another week, another fake tank thread lol.
The problem is really the rewards. Low levels want the easy xp from random daily and transmutes, higher levels mostly transmutes. I'm cp2000 and don't really care about the xp, I just want those juicy 10 transmutes. I need alot of them so I do the daily randoms with several toons. I queue as fake tank so I don't have to wait and there's no need for real one in normals anyways. But I always use taunt and pull at least 50% of group dps. If vets gave let's say 20 transmutes then I would do them instead and use real tank. So the real problem is that the best rewards drop from the easiest content. You dont get 10 transmutes from anywhere else, not at least in 5min of your time. It doesn't make any sense that you can do a vet trial and only get 5 transmutes per trial in a week, or do vet dlc pledges hm and get 3. These normal dungeon rewards are simply too good that they attract everyone and their mom and people pick the fastest way to get them - which is fake tanking.
ZoS could fix this by making a queue option to group 4 dps for people who are ok with fakes, and then institute a check that tanks have at least a taunt and healers have at least 1 group heal.
MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »Got a fake tank and fake healer yesterday on a random daily. It was Depths of Malatar. They were both DPS, both died, and the party wiped against the first boss. So I waited for them to leave, took out my Ring of the Pale Order, and carried the lower level DPS through the dungeon.
Don't be a fake tank or fake healer. The only reason to do it is to skip the line as a DPS, which only takes 30 seconds to 5 minutes at most now-a-days. Don't make excuses; you wouldn't queue as a tank or a healer if you could instantly get into a random daily as a dps. You're teaching lower level players bad habits, and causing things like yesterday's dungeon I went through to happen all too often.
How can you tell who is a "fake tank" vs someone who is just inexperienced but trying to learn? When I do dungeons (which is very rarely), I tank, and I think I'm doing what I'm supposed to do as a tank. However, reading boards like this makes me scared to even attempt dungeons because I don't know if I'm doing what others expect of me or if I'm angering everyone.
How can you tell who is a "fake tank" vs someone who is just inexperienced but trying to learn? When I do dungeons (which is very rarely), I tank, and I think I'm doing what I'm supposed to do as a tank. However, reading boards like this makes me scared to even attempt dungeons because I don't know if I'm doing what others expect of me or if I'm angering everyone.
Sorry you had to go through that. As a tank myself, there are sometimes people who will never be satisfied. Or people who think they can control how others play. There can also be situations that players do not know what they think they know, leading to misinformation. Or you get placed in a midrun group where the tensions were already high. Sometimes a run is simply not going to work out. Accept it, and move on.I am going to point out some other sides of this, though.
I have a Templar, champion 700+ -- why? Because my DPS Sorc got to 700+ before I made the Templar ...
And, As I had to level him up to 50, I sort of played him as a hybrid tank/dps/healer -- as I ran with random groups, etc to build him up.
He sort of ended up as a Paladin, but now, I want to get into more tanking with him, as he is at a level to be useful
So I am working on transitioning him over,
I'm also in my mid 50's and not as fast as I used to be so
Front bar - Binding Javelin, Dark Flare, Shielded Assault, Pierce Armor, and Hasty Prayer
Back bar - Binding Javelin, Dark Flare, Stampede, Brawler, and Hasty Prayer, and right now, my ultimate is Crescent Seep on both. I am still learning how the skills work, as getting to 50 was easy..... and yeah, you have the champion points, but they don't show until you hit 50, and if that is a high number, everyone expects you to be an "expert"
So, at this point, I am learning - I use skills that I am comfortable with, and am working on getting used to swapping bars more often.
I used crafted armor, and have a set that gives me breach on a crit -- it isn't the best for a tank, but it is working with the rest, right now, and allows me to cover a debuff
But, the other day, I queued up as tank, as I have a taunt, on my front bar, and I am doing my best to learn -- I aggroed the bosses and did my best to keep them in the party's AOE's --- mostly by spamming my taunt and circling the AOE.
However, one guy got upset with me using the shield rush to get to bosses so that I could get the taunt in as fast as I could.... especially as I also used my stampede a couple of times with groups of small stuff between bosses .....
He tried to claim I was a "fake tank" but as one of the other players put it, I was taunting and holding bosses in AOE, I wasn't running all over the place, and I was using a taunt to hold the attention --- so the player accusing me of being a "Fake Tank" quit the group.
He, also, kept saying that anyone using a skill to enhance weapon damage (my Dark Flare) is a fake tank .... despite the fact that I use it to both enhance my ability to hold, and it gives Major Defile to target along with enemies within 8 meters.
I use the Javelin to pull things, and also to apply damage to something if I cannot get there ---
And finally, I carry a heal, because I have been in situations where my ability to drop a quick heal has saved everyone.
Now, I am working on building up, and learning the other skills - and once I unlock the rest of the fighter's guild, I may swap to Meridia's Blade ... but for now, I KNOW these skills, and am comfortable with them. I also plan on adding Inner Fire, just as soon as I get the next level on that Templar
I am open to suggestions, but I do not consider myself to be a "Fake Tank"... just an inexperienced one.
Would it not be better to help players learn to tank? I can guarantee that there are ones out there that assume that wearing heavy armor makes them a tank....... I'd suggest taking the time to verify they KNOW the role, at the beginning, as opposed to just getting upset ... it's not like the game has a plethora of instructional modes in it.
Auldwulfe