That would create the same problem. Players hugging fields where they can spawn.

But I do agree with you, the new endeavours are a major hassle. And not fun to do, while taking too much time away from each daily playtime. They take too much time, and send me into too much unknown territory on the characters I am on. At this point the daily endeavours are no longer 'daily' as they require too much of an effort. So much so, that I'd rather they remove the daily endeavours entirely, and give the weekly endeavour more completion options and more seals to compensate for the daily removal. That way I can atleast complete them on my own schedule, instead of taking away so much from my daily playtime every day.

I am in general agreement.
There is an element of OCD that drives me to complete the daily endeavors, however this is "stealing" time away from following story line and character development.
My *aim* is to now do the daily endeavors that fit my daily game play and ignore the rest.
The weekly I can do as I play.

Altaire wrote: »

heres 1, instead of sending entire server to CAMP a low lvl boss in a delve, how about making ppl look for 5 cornflowers in a specific zone?

Thats just players being Lazy. Popping around and doing 3 delves is more beneficial anyway.

But no matter what, there will Always be players that look for shortcuts.

You can't blame Zos for that.

These delve ones are especially annoying since AWA made it so that unless it's your first time ever in there the boss takes 5 minutes to spawn. In general though, I've definitely noticed the dailies becoming less of things you might complete "accidentally" and more things you have to go out of your way to do. Along with them never being worth more than 15 seals anymore, I rather doubt that is unintended.

joerginger wrote: »

I'm still convinced it's them trying to find out when we finally stop aiming for endeavours at all. As was said in this thread, there's hardly any danger of endeavours being done by accident just by playing your daily routines these days. They also increased the amount of things we need to do in several cases and kept the rewards at the low level they have been at for a long time.

My thought is that the endeavor system is so ZoS can get around lootbox prohibition in certain countries so they can say "see players don't have to buy them they can earn them!". ZoS then makes the endeavor system so grindy that you'll never be able to save up for the things you want on a regular basis so you just break down and buy crates.

Endeavors should be fun to do!

Right now, they are a chore for multiple reasons. Some are too specific, others are vague, like kill certain class of mobs, which most of the time is confusing. We had to kill plant creatures, so I discovered that lurchers are not plant creatures, even though they look like a tree, while spriggans are. I also dislike very specific themed endeavors like DB/TG activities, or targeted ones, such as do a Bruma daily.

Refining mats, collecting resources, repairing stuff in Cyro, doing 2-3 dailies is fine. These aren't much fun, but they are quick enough not to derail the player from their routine. It's "play as you want", dear devs! We also like to "play what we want". Options are nice, but don't send us to places we don't really need/want to go. I would like to be able to complete the endeavors without having to leave the zone I am questing/playing in.

kind_hero wrote: »

Endeavors should be fun to do!

Right now, they are a chore for multiple reasons. Some are too specific, others are vague, like kill certain class of mobs, which most of the time is confusing. We had to kill plant creatures, so I discovered that lurchers are not plant creatures, even though they look like a tree, while spriggans are. I also dislike very specific themed endeavors like DB/TG activities, or targeted ones, such as do a Bruma daily.

Refining mats, collecting resources, repairing stuff in Cyro, doing 2-3 dailies is fine. These aren't much fun, but they are quick enough not to derail the player from their routine. It's "play as you want", dear devs! We also like to "play what we want". Options are nice, but don't send us to places we don't really need/want to go. I would like to be able to complete the endeavors without having to leave the zone I am questing/playing in.

Some Lurchers are plant creatures, while others are not. They are like the Atronachs where there are different elemental versions. There are several areas in Valenwood where there are both Spriggans and Lurchers and they will both count for the "kill plant creatures" endeavor.

I will do the crafting ones. And the Cyro repair ones. I won't go out of my way to kill a bunch of mobs for 10 or 15 SOE - unless it also comes with XP, and then I'll have one of my lower level characters handle it.

I do appreciate last week's whatever it was - gather resources? and this week's 15 antiquities.

I have a list of endeavors I won't touch (kill innocents, kill other players, BG, trials) and one category that I usually hard pass on as unfun and not worth the effort (PvE quests in Cyrodiil, including repairs). That said, rare indeed is the day or week when I'm not able to get 3/5 dailies or 1/3 weeklies. Recently, I've not been impressed/pleased by sending us to specific public dungeons to join a huge crowd waiting for bosses to respawn - competition for kills is not fun at all, either during events or endeavors.

You can often combine 2 endeavors into one activity. Today I equipped some poisons on my weapon and killed 2 public dungeon bosses in Elsweyr and by the time I finished those bosses both endeavors were complete.

It doesn't take any longer to go to a dungeon or delve of their choosing than one I pick.

I also finished the weekly very quickly today just by doing 5 Vents and making sure I tagged all the dangerous foes.

Yeah, they've become enough of a hassle I'm just going to let what happens happen and not bother putting in any specific effort to doing them.

Have to agree @FlopsyPrince - I haven't done every delve in the game, but enough of them that I'm tired of not having them spawn.

AWA strikes again.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I have a list of endeavors I won't touch (kill innocents, kill other players, BG, trials) and one category that I usually hard pass on as unfun and not worth the effort (PvE quests in Cyrodiil, including repairs). That said, rare indeed is the day or week when I'm not able to get 3/5 dailies or 1/3 weeklies. Recently, I've not been impressed/pleased by sending us to specific public dungeons to join a huge crowd waiting for bosses to respawn - competition for kills is not fun at all, either during events or endeavors.

Last week or so, the three weeklies were ones that I had to completely skip because it was something like:

1.) Do PVP stuff in Cyrodil
2.) Do PVE stufff in Cyrodil
3.) Do Arenas

Not touching any of those, so unfortunately I didn't get the big weekly rewards.

But, I was able to find something to do with the dailies every day, so that was good at least.

DP99 wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I have a list of endeavors I won't touch (kill innocents, kill other players, BG, trials) and one category that I usually hard pass on as unfun and not worth the effort (PvE quests in Cyrodiil, including repairs). That said, rare indeed is the day or week when I'm not able to get 3/5 dailies or 1/3 weeklies. Recently, I've not been impressed/pleased by sending us to specific public dungeons to join a huge crowd waiting for bosses to respawn - competition for kills is not fun at all, either during events or endeavors.

Last week or so, the three weeklies were ones that I had to completely skip because it was something like:

1.) Do PVP stuff in Cyrodil
2.) Do PVE stufff in Cyrodil
3.) Do Arenas

Not touching any of those, so unfortunately I didn't get the big weekly rewards.

But, I was able to find something to do with the dailies every day, so that was good at least.

Many of the PvP things are "repair things" and walls can be repaired within a secure castle. Something for those who don't like PvP to consider.

Too bad (in some ways) we don't have a "get ganked twice" in PvP!