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Anyone else seeing groups disband all over the place?
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Mr_Stach✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PrincessOfThieves wrote: »Yes.
It's like Morrowind all over again.
I'll take Morrowind, Warden's had Unblockable Stun on Deep Fissure. That was Hella NastyAltoholic, Frost Warden Sympathizer and Main
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PrincessOfThieves wrote: »Yes.
It's like Morrowind all over again.
No, this is so much worse.13 -
acastanza_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The combat team has four more weeks of PTS testing to tune what they are rolling out.
I am sure they are full turtle right now and won't talk to us anymore, but they hinted during ESO Live that PTS Weeks 3 and 4 would have some combat team updates based on player response during Week 1.
Frankly, that isn't good enough. I agree 100% with @Riptide. A full throated apology and scrapping the update wholesale is the only acceptable way forward. I'd also go so far as to say that this is a complete "no confidence" vote in the current combat development team. Something has to give, and it needs to be them.
But in answer to the original question, yes. My current prog group which was working on VHoF is in serious doubt if we have any way forward at all.Edited by acastanza_ESO on July 14, 2022 5:02PM13 -
Dragonlord573✭✭✭✭✭My vet dungeons group has abandoned the game for Divinity Original Sin II already. I've just decided to do Cyrodiil too keep my mind off things or have been game hopping.6 -
BalticBlues✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Playing PvP, a lot of skilled people already left because of the Oakensoal PTW.
ZOS speaks about reducing "obscene" damage,
but players have been fed up for 3 years now with "obscene" dev changes, like- scaling healing with damage:
-> DDs now are best healers ->healers remain useful only as buff bots for Trials - anti-ball-group sets like "Dark Convergence" becoming the center of PvP
-> automated killing sets, making ball groups even better - Oakensoal ring giving Trial buffs to solo players
->PayToWin GodMode in PvP
With Update 35, to many people it looks like devs finally are REMOVING ALL SKILLED GAMEPLAY.
Like 20secs & nerfed AoE, useful only for vetBosses - so nobody uses regular AoE in PvP anymore.
Edited by BalticBlues on July 14, 2022 6:37PM1 - scaling healing with damage:
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »The combat team has four more weeks of PTS testing to tune what they are rolling out.
I am sure they are full turtle right now and won't talk to us anymore, but they hinted during ESO Live that PTS Weeks 3 and 4 would have some combat team updates based on player response during Week 1.
Frankly, that isn't good enough. I agree 100% with @Riptide. A full throated apology and scrapping the update wholesale is the only acceptable way forward. I'd also go so far as to say that this is a complete "no confidence" vote in the current combat development team. Something has to give, and it needs to be them.
I don't expect them to give that much ground. I am sure they are looking at options, they would be foolish not to be, but my money is on "making it work" rather than "moving back". Once they make up their mind, stuff like this is happening, and by PTS they have made up their mind.
Moving back can upset schedules and deadlines in unacceptable ways, so I never expect them to go back if there is any hint that it will take more than a week or two to do it. I'd be surprised if they could roll out an "undo" before launch, and I doubt they will change the launch date for this.
This isn't even like last time. Last time was a toe in the water. This time, they cannon balled it. Deliberately. They said so, although not as eloquently as I.
starkerealm wrote: »
I am also curious who is thinking about quitting. I haven't seen anyone, but I don't watch every streamer, and definitely not the YouTube ones.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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KingExecration✭✭✭✭Every discord I am on, from raiding to trading guilds there are chunks of folks talking about putting activities on hold.
Disgust with the “just trust us” tweet followed by this soup sandwich really is ubiquitous.
And frankly I think anything short of a full throated apology and scrapping the update wholesale will have pretty significant lasting damage.
As in right about half of everyone seems to be looking at their options for where to land next.
If it goes live in this state it isn’t theoretical or opinion anymore, there will be an exodus.
If they only adjust it in an anemic and cursory way, same result I think. It takes time to read the forums to see whats what, read these long patch notes, roll to PTS, discuss results, watch videos on others results, on and on.
And at a certain point of absolutely wasted recreation time the contempt will be baked into the cake, sadly.
Between the “trust us” tweet and that video of some devs mom or whatever insulting pvpers for wanting change just set it in stone for me lmao10 -
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✭One More Carry has disbanded and there are rumors ESO Runs will disband too if the current PTS makes it to live.10 -
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✭KingExecration wrote: »Every discord I am on, from raiding to trading guilds there are chunks of folks talking about putting activities on hold.
Disgust with the “just trust us” tweet followed by this soup sandwich really is ubiquitous.
And frankly I think anything short of a full throated apology and scrapping the update wholesale will have pretty significant lasting damage.
As in right about half of everyone seems to be looking at their options for where to land next.
If it goes live in this state it isn’t theoretical or opinion anymore, there will be an exodus.
If they only adjust it in an anemic and cursory way, same result I think. It takes time to read the forums to see whats what, read these long patch notes, roll to PTS, discuss results, watch videos on others results, on and on.
And at a certain point of absolutely wasted recreation time the contempt will be baked into the cake, sadly.
Between the “trust us” tweet and that video of some devs mom or whatever insulting pvpers for wanting change just set it in stone for me lmao
It was the same dev🙃
Don’t forget banning people for mentioning pvp in the reveal stream.9 -
guarstompemoji✭✭✭✭Yeah.
I've seen guilds shifting focus, trial events dropping, and so on. It can even be hard to find dps. 2 -
Tevalicious✭✭Sounds like this post is more about PvE. I cant speak to that, but at least in NA Cyrodiil, I've seen more groups/guilds forming and coming back than there has been in over a year. Granted that is 100% because of the new servers and guilds do not often quit PvP over new metas or nerfs.0
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Thorncrypt✭✭✭3 of my close friends saw the changes in update 35 and decided to take a break from eso. I don't feel motivated to log in often now that my friends aren't actively playing anymore."Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear."
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Mr_Stach✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭adjust and continue......
.... as always .....
There's obviously people that aren't. And for good reason, there are some terrible changes that hurt the entire player base.
Altoholic, Frost Warden Sympathizer and Main
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PrincessOfThieves✭✭✭✭✭
✭I would really like to see some kind of reply from devs. So that we know if there's a chance of this not going live.
It's really stressful to see guildmates leaving or planning to leave. Many are planning to migrate to a different game. So I wanna know if it's worth staying in ESO or not.5 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Every discord I am on, from raiding to trading guilds there are chunks of folks talking about putting activities on hold.
Disgust with the “just trust us” tweet followed by this soup sandwich really is ubiquitous.
And frankly I think anything short of a full throated apology and scrapping the update wholesale will have pretty significant lasting damage.
As in right about half of everyone seems to be looking at their options for where to land next.
If it goes live in this state it isn’t theoretical or opinion anymore, there will be an exodus.
Yeah you can't cancel the Class Rep Program, say "a little trust would be much appreciated"
and then release a patch like this on PTS.
I can count on one hand the number of players I've heard that are in favor of this patch.
And you are absolutely correct, there will be an exodus, and nobody can blame them for leaving. This is changing the pace of the game after 8 years (9 with beta), when the game is in a good state right now with only a few balance tweaks needed here and there, not a sledgehammer to it all.
This is the reason why people don't trust. Trust is earned, and right now they earned the exact opposite.Edited by Holycannoli on July 15, 2022 5:11PM16 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »This is the reason why people don't trust. Trust is earned, and right now they earned the exact opposite.
Trust is earned, but trust is also spent, and so much trust has been spent over the years...9 -
blktauna✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe we should all *** to microslave that ZOS is wrecking their brand new investmentPCNA
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Maybe we should all *** to microslave that ZOS is wrecking their brand new investment
The investment is the new MMO that ZOS is working on in the back office, not ESO. ESO is getting long in the tooth and is ramping up the maintenance costs. My thought is that this performance work, and the sacrifices they have to make for performance, are costing them dearly, both in terms of cash and customers.
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dhoward5b14_ESO✭✭✭Trials are already hard to fill, and last night we could not get a fill in Craglorn for one vDSR spot - that has never happened before. This update will probably be the death blow to trials.
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Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A lot of groups take breaks right before a new patch is released to see how the meta will shift and to experience the new content, so it's not unheard of, and also it's the middle of summer so people are away--having said that, if the changes do go through this time I feel that those groups that are on break will likely not return, not just because of the lower damage, but because combat will be plain awful with those long dots.1 -
FantasticFreddie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Every discord I am on, from raiding to trading guilds there are chunks of folks talking about putting activities on hold.
Disgust with the “just trust us” tweet followed by this soup sandwich really is ubiquitous.
Yea, this is what I'm seeing as well.
And I would like to add that after AwA dropped, my groups are already having a much tougher time getting fills. We just went through and weathered an exodus by a bunch of people who left or started playing significantly less after the loss of alt tracking.
The bottom line is that a lot of people prefer to play with something to work towards. Part of the AwA discussions were filled with disdain for those people and I don't know why. I'm definitely one of them. I always log in with a goal in mind... do my writs, make progress on the main story, whatever.
People first lost a reason to re-do content on other characters (the to-do list/acknowledgement) and now another chunk of players feels like they are facing loss of access to group content they have been working towards... in some cases for YEARS.
If or when ZOS finally reaches their goal of making the content more accessible, there may not be enough people left to experience it. Especially for trials. It's HARD to find 12 people available at the same time who want to tackle the same goal. ZOS really needs to stop with the sledgehammer approach if they want people to stick with them.
Note I'm not saying the game will immediately die or I'm quitting. But I am seeing a slow erosion of the community due to so many frequent, massive disruptions. It's sad.
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LordDragonMara✭✭✭I'm switching to Neverwinter or SWTOR, until they decide to stop touching player skills in this game, and start respecting people time.
ESO was the best MMORPG for me before this patch. The most beautiful world in the genre. Characters, weapons and everything looks gorgeous. Plenty of Quests and stuffs to do.
This patch destroys everything for players like me.
Edited by LordDragonMara on July 15, 2022 2:51PM2 -
Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭The biggest thing that I think people are forgetting is the deepness that combat has in ESO which is why I play it. If you make simple then you really defeat the purpose that we play this game. When talk to someone that has played this game in the past they all talk about how they liked the combat system that is the plus. The one aspect that makes this game special they are reducing.PVP DEADWAIT
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xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭2 out of 3 that I am with, but I'd suspect the 3rd might as well. Not to say all 12 people are quitting, but enough of each group is that they are going to stop prog runs. I'm sure some new groups will form out of the scraps of what's left from groups that disband. Still a sad state though.-- @xaraan --
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virtus753✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭adjust and continue......
.... as always .....
No one is going to be able to adapt into Planesbreaker or Swashbuckler or even Xalvakka HM or Falgravn HM if the game will literally not allow it going forward.
Top-end players are struggling with vCR3 and Yol HM on the PTS right now. Yol HM is about as close to a single-target parse fight as you see in HMs. If the dps and hps has been neutered to the point where a parse fight is a struggle, how will any reasonable number (i.e. greater than zero and ideally than double digits) of players be able to complete fights with extreme dps and/or heal checks? If they struggle through Yol and get him down, what awaits them in Nahvi’s portals? Still 11.3mil health in the same 90 seconds while self-sustaining and self-healing through attacks that still hit the same on the same cadence. I’d be surprised if there were more than a handful of portal teams capable of it going forward among the 20 million accounts this game has.
Imagine that at every level. People just getting into vet HMs now won’t be able to do them for years until power creep comes back up (which it will, since it’s part of how they sell new content). People just getting into vet DLCs will be set back to base game vets. People just getting into vet will not really have much close to fall back on, because normal difficulty in this game will continue to be light-years away from vet. It will be harder and slower for players to get into dungeon and trial content and then to progress to each level, if they can. That’s the opposite of more accessible. It’s slamming the door in players’ faces.4 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe we should all *** to microslave that ZOS is wrecking their brand new investment
The investment is the new MMO that ZOS is working on in the back office, not ESO. ESO is getting long in the tooth and is ramping up the maintenance costs. My thought is that this performance work, and the sacrifices they have to make for performance, are costing them dearly, both in terms of cash and customers.
The majority of MMO's fail. If you get a hit, you need to ride it out to the max and milk it for 10-20 years.
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