Cuddlypuff wrote: »

Couldn't you just do what every other hybrid build user already does? Take jewels of misrule food and use a longer stam pool than mag pool...

but i am talking about Magicka DK. not a hybrid one. i do have another DK that is a kind of hybrid, but i prefer the pure Magicka one. that playstyle is going to be dead. you either go hybrid or go home..

That’s not really a solution tho. If mag dk can’t use their main spammable that’s kind of a big issue.

In fact dk not being able to use their main spammable period is. We have needed a stamina/poison whip since launch. Why there’s a split on all these other skills, like embers and venomous claw, but not whip, I have no idea.

This just kinda makes molten whip really not perfect for anyone. I’ll still be using dizzy swing on my stam dk

This change feels very weird in both pve and pvp, it should change the cost dynamically based on what stat is higher. Dunno why it got changed that way instead.

I really dislike that change, i will be forced i the other morph wich also force me in a varable rotation wich i really have a hard time to keep up
I mean i got about 50%ore dps on my magdk than my sorc du to me eithr hard casting frag or forgeting to use it

VixxVexx wrote: »

That 535 stam recovery isn't your only way of getting stamina, that's just dishonest. Who spams molten whip in pvp?

There's like 10+ things that can help you with stam sustain on a magdk:

1. tripots
2. battel roar
3. helping hands
4. heavy attack (lol)
5. bloodspawn 1pc
6. bloodspawn 2pc
7. combustion
8. trickery heroism
9. medium pieces
10. sustained by suffering
11. survival instincts
12. sturdy
13. etc

You have at least half of this stuff passively. You can easily sustain a 3k noxious breath, so why not an ability with 1k stam lmao.

What sucks is that on pts stam and mag cost reduction glyphs don't work on it. Only the prismatic cost reduction glyphs.
I was trying to get a real stamwhip through cost reduction on pts, it failed.

perhaps i didn't explain things from my point of view properly, my apologies..

what i meant was Mag. DK PvP AFTER the next patch and, most of all, in no CP. ain't no way i'm getting in CP with these new sets (Nocturnal’s Ploy comes to mind). so i don't have Sustained By Suffering. i don't have Survival Instincts. i can't use Trickery. just the basic no CP gameplay. i also prefer Immovability potions over tri-stat ones at any time (in PvP, of course). i am not the greatest player in PvP, far from it, but i can't remember when was the last time i allowed anyone to hit me with melee HA (DW, 2H). people can and do avoid being hit by HAs in PvP. Combustion on a Mag. DK... well, yes, it's no issue to proc Burning, but Poisoned can be a different story, especially as i don't use the poison morph of Breath. i know, glyphs are the best way to proc Poisoned. if i use Bloodspawn (1 pc) i will lose penetration (i use Skoria shoulder piece ATM). Battle Roar is great, but if people use Stamina draining poisons (Escapist poison) your Stamina will go down the drain even faster. and they DO use them, oh yes..

what i meant to say there will be way more Stamina drain than recovery from a pure Magicka DK point of view if the new Whip comes to live. you can struggle to sustain Stamina even today. but, even in the worst case scenario, you are unable to Dodge Roll or Break Free but you can still use your main spammable ability. after the next patch you're out of luck..

and who spams Whip in PvP? after the next patch a lot of players will, IMO. if you re-apply DoTs early today (to get the Seething Fury proc) it makes sense. the DoTs are ticking, they do solid damage. but after the next patch Whip will be your best source of damage. your DoTs will do way less damage per tick than now. so where else do you get the damage?

so why not make a Stamina morph of Whip? again, players have been asking for that for ages. it would not break the game, methinks..

I was agreeing with you until you mentioned poison whip. Poison whip is a silly idea. Change pooprock into a physical damage melee range instant cast spammable without a weird two-part mechanic of stomping and then using charges. They could reuse the animation for Killer's Blade and then make it look more rocky. That's literally all they have to do.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I was agreeing with you until you mentioned poison whip. Poison whip is a silly idea. Change pooprock into a physical damage melee range instant cast spammable without a weird two-part mechanic of stomping and then using charges. They could reuse the animation for Killer's Blade and then make it look more rocky. That's literally all they have to do.

i mentioned the Poison Whip because they (ZOS) insist on doing things the hybrid way nowadays and players have been asking for it for years. so if they must do something about the Whip and Stamina morph they can do that. i don't necessarily support the idea of a Poison Whip, but this hybrid change is plain silly, IMO..

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

Just leave mage fire whip alone.

We have skill that throug "mud of own creation" - better remake this skill to stam whip )))

Better have 2 whips than no one good )

As example 1 morph stone through, other stamina whip ?

Yes I agree, leave it as two viable mag morphs.
Good luck hoping for zenimax to come up with an animation and effect for a melee stone fist that isn't absolutely *** though.