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Multiboxing is very at large.
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Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Multiboxing used to be legit in mmos when it was a being done from different computers like i did with my pc and laptop. Now its cheating because its done through software that is running from scripts/macros/copy commands on one computer. This is cheating and is acknowledged as cheating in all mmo's as "software multiboxing".
Multiboxing is just botting with command follow scripts.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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Osi✭✭✭No idea what multiboxing is, but if it requires a program to track the movements of one player and mirror them on another, that is still botting.
1 input - 1 output, not 1 across 10 accounts.
Edit - Now if someone WANTS to run multiple accounts, manually, by alt-tabing or actually having another computer (a true multi-box setup) then by all means more power to you. You're insane and have no life, but it's your choice.Edited by Osi on May 1, 2014 7:47PM0 -
stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
None of that states that you can't have more than one account playing simultaneously, as long as you are manually controlling each account yourself.
Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.0 -
AlliN✭✭✭Edit - Now if someone WANTS to run multiple accounts, manually, by alt-tabing or actually having another computer (a true multi-box setup) then by all means more power to you. You're insane and have no life, but it's your choice.
It would still require 3rd party software to transfer commands through netwok to affect all clients on all 4 computers, essentialy breaking ToS becasue of automation. It would be absolutely innefective if someone would have to manually click every characer - especially without ESO follow command.
That's why, in ESO it's impossible to multibox without 3rd party software for commands multiplying, and everyone who tells otherwise either knows crap about windows infrastructure or is just simply lying to cover their bots (that are avaiable online, already)1 -
Osi✭✭✭allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
None of that states that you can't have more than one account playing simultaneously, as long as you are manually controlling each account yourself.
Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
And how many people who are "multiboxing" are really, REALLY doing everything manually? Answer - <<< the number of people using software to clone actions onto other accounts, which is just a form of botting.
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roflcopter✭✭✭dallwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
None of that states that you can't have more than one account playing simultaneously, as long as you are manually controlling each account yourself.
Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
How on earth are you controlling each account yourself? Last I checked two hands = comp. If you say keybinding = controlling I would beg to disagree very strongly.
So if you can explain to me how you are controlling each account separate and actively please tell me how.
Keybinding is scripting. I assume for this to work it is also not on multiple boxes, but on multiple virtual machines on one computer for this to work properly.
There is no way that anyone can convince me that keybinding / scripting is the same thing as playing each account separate and actively.
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allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
None of that states that you can't have more than one account playing simultaneously, as long as you are manually controlling each account yourself.
Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
And how many people who are "multiboxing" are really, REALLY doing everything manually? Answer - <<< the number of people using software to clone actions onto other accounts, which is just a form of botting.
It doesn't matter how many, that's not the question here. The question is 'is multiboxing allowed', if the question was 'is using 3rd party software to control more than one account allowed' it would be a different story.
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Bangstin✭✭✭allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
Guild Wars 2 rules are pretty clear on the subject, read again.
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
And as stated above, you may not program your keyboard to perform functions on more than one account at a time.
a. For example, if you press W on your keyboard to move forward, a single character on a single account should move forward. The keystroke or mouse click should not perform functions on more than one account.
If one can't figure out what is allowed and what is not from that i don't know what to tell you.
Edited by Bangstin on May 1, 2014 8:04PM2 -
roflcopter✭✭✭allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
None of that states that you can't have more than one account playing simultaneously, as long as you are manually controlling each account yourself.
Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
And how many people who are "multiboxing" are really, REALLY doing everything manually? Answer - <<< the number of people using software to clone actions onto other accounts, which is just a form of botting.
It doesn't matter how many, that's not the question here. The question is 'is multiboxing allowed', if the question was 'is using 3rd party software to control more than one account allowed' it would be a different story.
How does keybinding work across different virtual machines? By a script? By a 3rd party OS operation? The VM settings (which is 3rd party)? Keyboard? You catch my drift.
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Actually yes, yes it does. If most multiboxing is illegitimate, then the point you, or perhaps someone else was trying to raise earlier in this thread that you can't just report multiboxers is as well. It is a perfectly reasonable assumption, just like it is reasonable to assume the 30 templars that spear a boss to death as it spawns for hours on end are bots.allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
None of that states that you can't have more than one account playing simultaneously, as long as you are manually controlling each account yourself.
Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
And how many people who are "multiboxing" are really, REALLY doing everything manually? Answer - <<< the number of people using software to clone actions onto other accounts, which is just a form of botting.
It doesn't matter how many, that's not the question here. The question is 'is multiboxing allowed', if the question was 'is using 3rd party software to control more than one account allowed' it would be a different story.
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AlliN✭✭✭And how many people who are "multiboxing" are really, REALLY doing everything manually?
As much as I loathe multiboxers and any other "grey area exploiters", I can say I know a lot of people in WoW, who had extra accounts just to use them as extra storage space, and that would be fairly understandable here with hireling system.0 -
allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
Guild Wars 2 rules are pretty clear on the subject, read again.
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
And as stated above, you may not program your keyboard to perform functions on more than one account at a time.
a. For example, if you press W on your keyboard to move forward, a single character on a single account should move forward. The keystroke or mouse click should not perform functions on more than one account.
If one can't figure out what is allowed and what is not from that i don't know what to tell you.
If you cant read I don't know what to tell you! I have bolded the relevant part to make it easier for you, to spell it out it reads' YOU MAY USE', not YOU MAY NOT USE'!
Nowhere have I mentioned using a keyboard to control more than one account, or virtual machines. I specifically stated I HAVE TWO RIGS AND TWO MONITORS! That means one pc,monitor and keyboard per account. Hands up everyone who's playing their first MMO!
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Nefar✭✭You have your terminology wrong. A multi-boxer is a person controlling multiple clients on one more more computers. This requires the interaction of the player to control the characters. Some players will use software such as Isboxer to help them, software like this is approved by majority of companies today as even using software still requires a human to interact with it. A multi-boxer would not be on 24/7 as they control the clients and humans cannot operate 24 hours a day seven days a week.
You are running into someone that is botting, which is a completely different monster. Those that bot are using software to fully automate functions of the game. These are the players you commonly see in dungeon bosses, players walking the same paths over and over for combat or walking paths to collect game resources. These are the ones breaking the TOS and that deserve to be removed from the game. There is absolutely nothing wrong or against tos for people multiboxing.0 -
stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
Wait
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax
And again we wait on Zeni, but being it's not a program nor software, no breach.
P.S Do you use teamspeak or any other form of chat out side of the game? Talking while dead isn't possible in game you know * Wink*
selective quoting there... lets expand it by just a few words...
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may...
kinda an important or there,
as for it not being software or program, unless you are sitting there with multiple computers, you are using some form of software to circumvent the fact that normally you cannot run multiple instances of ESO on a single computer.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not seriously anti multiboxing, it doesn't bother me too much if people want to do it as long as it doesn't have an affect on other players, but technically it is against the ToS, and so you are running a risk if Zeni come down against it, and if the botters start misusing it to do things like powerlevel loads of toons at once, then they are likely to and they've already shown that they are willing to cause a few innocent casualties in their fight against botters.
So as I said originally, think carefully before you do it.0 -
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✭✭South_of_Heaven wrote: »
There is no reason to ban something that isnt an exploit.
Multiboxing in the traditional sense cant work here. What the op is seeing is a bot group, not a multiboxer.
Watch its patterns. Its a damn bot. Was two in Kynesgrove ladt night, two groups of five.0 -
roflcopter✭✭✭allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
Guild Wars 2 rules are pretty clear on the subject, read again.
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
And as stated above, you may not program your keyboard to perform functions on more than one account at a time.
a. For example, if you press W on your keyboard to move forward, a single character on a single account should move forward. The keystroke or mouse click should not perform functions on more than one account.
If one can't figure out what is allowed and what is not from that i don't know what to tell you.
If you cant read I don't know what to tell you! I have bolded the relevant part to make it easier for you, to spell it out it reads' YOU MAY USE', not YOU MAY NOT USE'!
Nowhere have I mentioned using a keyboard to control more than one account, or virtual machines. I specifically stated I HAVE TWO RIGS AND TWO MONITORS! That means one pc,monitor and keyboard per account. Hands up everyone who's playing their first MMO!
If you are a multiboxer, how do you set up both rigs to perform / follow the same actions and play at the same time. I think if you do not do this, this isn't the same thing this thread is about but more about the 30 characters following one char doing the same thing.
If I am in fact wrong, I would like to know what kind of software / scripting you use to do this across two boxes. Or how you actively managing and separately playing two different accounts and having them both play at the same time.
Edit:
Grammarz >.<
Edited by roflcopter on May 1, 2014 8:16PMXbox One | NA | AD
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AlliN✭✭✭Some players will use software such as Isboxer to help them, software like this is approved by majority of companies today as even using software still requires a human to interact with it.
they are not making exceptions for naming ans shaming, so why they should make it for "approved by majority of companies" 3rd party software, that is clearly agains ToS fanboys here are always quoting so eagerly?0 -
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I did in wow to level my guild.Technically you are "manually" playing both characters (or 3 or 4) at the same time. Each client is running, each character is logged in. They are just all reading the same keystroke from the same keyboard.
It's not automated at all. It's just well multitasking. Instead of the "1" doing one thing on one client. It does the same thing on two (3, 4) clients. None of them will do anything unless you hit "1" and they will all do "1" when you hit "1".
Multiple puppets, one set of strings.
This must be very useful for... let´s say someone leveling multiple characters at once for the purpose of selling them.
Questing with two characters, sometimes three. Jamba and Hydra addons to coordinate /follow and aharing, autoaccept ressurections, mounting and quest turn ins. Could have done more had I decided to deal with autohotkey.
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Blizzard and SOE are on record as stating if there is a player at the keyboard its not cheating.Thechemicals wrote: »Multiboxing used to be legit in mmos when it was a being done from different computers like i did with my pc and laptop. Now its cheating because its done through software that is running from scripts/macros/copy commands on one computer. This is cheating and is acknowledged as cheating in all mmo's as "software multiboxing".
Multiboxing is just botting with command follow scripts.
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http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/hydra
Jambas info found here:
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/28573-Jamba-Getting-Started
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As previously mentioned I don't MB in ESO, I don't see the point. I did in EQ and in WoW. Two monitors, two PC's, Two Keyboards, one controlling a dps and one controlling a healer or CC. Keyboards on a tiered desk so I only have to move my hands slightly to interact with either keyboard, macro for /follow (ingame macro system) on the 'slave' when moving.
I know people that did this with 4-5 accounts/rigs with no external software back in the day, as no software existed. Here's an example of the setup that was required.
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✭✭✭✭That's why, in ESO it's impossible to multibox without 3rd party software for commands multiplying, and everyone who tells otherwise either knows crap about windows infrastructure or is just simply lying to cover their bots (that are avaiable online, already)
Pretty easy. I log in 2 chars. I kill all mobs with my main char. I loot every 5mins with my other char and do nothing else with it. Im leveling 2 chars and Im multiboxing.
U mad?
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And if you can propose a way to isolate your... craziness (I think you can agree, to the normal person that is quite insane) from the hundreds of others that do it to gain an unfair advantage by using software to clone actions onto other accounts, whether they be on the same computer or not, I am all ears.allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »
As previously mentioned I don't MB in ESO, I don't see the point. I did in EQ and in WoW. Two monitors, two PC's, Two Keyboards, one controlling a dps and one controlling a healer or CC. Keyboards on a tiered desk so I only have to move my hands slightly to interact with either keyboard, macro for /follow (ingame macro system) on the 'slave' when moving.
I know people that did this with 4-5 accounts/rigs with no external software back in the day, as no software existed. Here's an example of the setup that was required.
Edit - And for the record, I have no problem with what you showed. Your time, your life, as much as a disagree with people playing the game like that. One input, one output per character.
Re-Edit - You used a macro to have one account follow another. That is almost the definition of third-party software (even if you wrote it yourself) and is cheating. Omit the macro, and there is no problem.
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You can't open two game windows on the same computer without subverting limitations imposed by ZOS. If you aren't on two computers with your two characters, you are using third party software to gain an unfair advantage and you are cheating.That's why, in ESO it's impossible to multibox without 3rd party software for commands multiplying, and everyone who tells otherwise either knows crap about windows infrastructure or is just simply lying to cover their bots (that are avaiable online, already)
Pretty easy. I log in 2 chars. I kill all mobs with my main char. I loot every 5mins with my other char and do nothing else with it. Im leveling 2 chars and Im multiboxing.
U mad?
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AlliN✭✭✭Pretty easy. I log in 2 chars. I kill all mobs with my main char. I loot every 5mins with my other char and do nothing else with it. Im leveling 2 chars and Im multiboxing.
U mad?
This is just playing on 2 accounts at once, and in my book, it's perfectly ok if you want to pay for it. I think you just did not see a multiboxer, or have no idea how multiboxing actualy looks like, and what it is about or you are just playing dumb.
Later on, from my own post:As much as I loathe multiboxers and any other "grey area exploiters", I can say I know a lot of people in WoW, who had extra accounts just to use them as extra storage space, and that would be fairly understandable here with hireling system.
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allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
None of that states that you can't have more than one account playing simultaneously, as long as you are manually controlling each account yourself.
Even GW2, which someone quoted as 'banning multiboxers' states:
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
So not sure how he read that as banning multiboxers....
Anyone who played EQ back in the day will tell you there is a huge difference between boxers and botters, and it doesn't influence and advantage your playing ability as you would have the same effect by grouping with a friend.
Until a mod answers all this is just guesswork and personal opinion, personally I don't see any point in boxing in this game, despite the fact I have two rigs, two monitors and could easily do so considering the limited number of keystrokes required.
I have no issue at all with anyone truly playing more than 1 character at a time, and that is not breaking the ToS. It's the one mentioned earlier in the thread, where 1 keystroke is causing more than one action ingame that is breaking the ToS.
Lovely looking setup in the photo
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You can't open two game windows on the same computer without subverting limitations imposed by ZOS. If you aren't on two computers with your two characters, you are using third party software to gain an unfair advantage and you are cheating.That's why, in ESO it's impossible to multibox without 3rd party software for commands multiplying, and everyone who tells otherwise either knows crap about windows infrastructure or is just simply lying to cover their bots (that are avaiable online, already)
Pretty easy. I log in 2 chars. I kill all mobs with my main char. I loot every 5mins with my other char and do nothing else with it. Im leveling 2 chars and Im multiboxing.
U mad?
"Subverting limitations imposed by ZOS"?
LOL. What are you even trying to say. Having a default launcher that doesnt open multiple clients for users convenience? You think the client is made in such a manner that disallows the OS from running 2 instances on one PC? Go to your launcher folder and double click the launcher 3x. You will open 3 clients. I just did it. Am I cheating? LOL.
Beyond your unbelievably short-sighted and poor example, what if Im using my laptop here I play on the go to run a 2nd client. What 3rd party software am I using that I didnt need to use in my first example either to cheat?
Dont claim people are cheating with multiboxing when you have no idea what youre talking about. Youre embarrassing yourself.2 -
aegis156✭✭Multiboxing is botting.
We have experienced considerable problems concerning bots in public dungeons, and I have personally seen a lot of multiboxing being perfomed by those bots.
I would very much like to know how Zos views this, as that is more relevant than how an individual player (who may or may not use multiboxing) feels about it.
Multi-boxing is not botting. I am quite capable of running 2 toons at once on separate computers, three if I am feeling frisky. Hell I used to run 2 on one comp in DAoC.
If this game allows multiple instances of the game to be run on the same machine it is a cake walk to run multiple toons.0 -
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And if you can propose a way to isolate your... craziness (I think you can agree, to the normal person that is quite insane) from the hundreds of others that do it to gain an unfair advantage by using software to clone actions onto other accounts, whether they be on the same computer or not, I am all ears.
Edit - And for the record, I have no problem with what you showed. Your time, your life, as much as a disagree with people playing the game like that. One input, one output per character.
Re-Edit - You used a macro to have one account follow another. That is almost the definition of third-party software (even if you wrote it yourself) and is cheating. Omit the macro, and there is no problem.
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Ingame macro system....its not 3rd party software, its part of the game design. AKA http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API1