Multiboxing is very at large.

stuartoatleyeb17_ESO

Osi wrote: »

Re-Edit - You used a macro to have one account follow another. That is almost the definition of third-party software (even if you wrote it yourself) and is cheating. Omit the macro, and there is no problem.

no, if you read it properly, he's talking about games that have an inbuilt macro system, and he's using that. He's not using anything that the game design doesn't permit. All he's done is bind the inbuilt /follow command to a macro and bound that to a key, so he can activate the /follow command with a single keypress

AlliN

Dont claim people are cheating with multiboxing when you have no idea what youre talking about. Youre embarrassing yourself.

Actualy, if you would use those amazing observation skills of yours, you would see that NO ONE in that thread has anything against people having and using multiple accounts. THIS IS NOT A REAL MULTIBOXING. It's playing the game at two accounts. Nobody has a problem with that.

If you use software like hydra, autohotkey or other command copier to make ALL CHARACTERS YOU PLAY repeat the SAME COMMAND making it a bot train, that cheating, that's against TOS.

Let me use your own quote:

Don't claim people are calling playing on multiple accounts without automation cheating, when you have no idea what youre talking about and you did not cared to read through the thread. You're embarrassing yourself.

You want to know limitations? Open 3 clients as you just did, now press ONE KEY ONCE to make ALL characters move forward AT THE SAME TIME. Does not work, does it? Same with addons, they can't bypass windows handling and process handling. There is NOTHING in the OP that allows you to copy commands to other windowed clients. THAT's the limitation. Windows pass I/O commands ONLY to the active process. Without 3rd party software you can't copy it, you have to alt tab - and THAT'S NOT a real multiboxing. Is that a bit clearer now?

All he's done is bind the inbuilt /follow command to a macro and bound that to a key, so he can activate the /follow command with a single keypress

There are no /follow commands in ESO client side lua base. You can't make a bot through the macro/addon unless it's a stationary "target closest" bot. You can't make multibox follower with it.

aegis156

Bangstin wrote: »

dawnhawk wrote: »

Technically you are "manually" playing both characters (or 3 or 4) at the same time. Each client is running, each character is logged in. They are just all reading the same keystroke from the same keyboard.

It's not automated at all. It's just well multitasking. Instead of the "1" doing one thing on one client. It does the same thing on two (3, 4) clients. None of them will do anything unless you hit "1" and they will all do "1" when you hit "1".

Multiple puppets, one set of strings.

That doesn't make it allowed in every game and even the companies struggle sometimes where to draw the line with these kind of things so i have no idea what is the official stance in this game.
Multiboxing is forbidden in some mmo's like in Guild Wars 2. see example -

players are permitted to use macros as long as the macros are programmed with a 1 key for 1 function protocol.
This means that if you program a macro, it must require one keystroke per action. You may not program a single key to perform multiple functions.
Dual- or Multi-Boxing
You may use more than one account at the same time.
You may use more than one computer at the same time.
You must be actively playing on each account.
And as stated above, you may not program your keyboard to perform functions on more than one account at a time.
a. For example, if you press W on your keyboard to move forward, a single character on a single account should move forward. The keystroke or mouse click should not perform functions on more than one account.

I have no idea though what is the official truth about multiboxing is in ESO.

Thats an interesting interpretation on the macro rule. 1 key one function. your example is a poor one based on pressing one key "W" has one function moving forward.

Now for true multiboxing wizardry, (those who played DAoC see what I did there?) you can control multiple computers from one wireless keyboard. 7 Fire wizards all casting Nuke of Doom at the same time from a single key press anyone?

Again not illegal under your rule. Press one key "1" still only has one function, pressing the "1" key, it may effect multiple characters but still is only doing one function.

Point being you don't need to macro to multi-box, you just need a creative hardware set up.

Leeta

I multiboxed in EQ2 for 5 years (played it for 9) with no program at all to help. Started with a second account then after awhile i got a third and so on and currently i have 6 accounts since it went f2p and i alt tabbed in between them. I had 3 dps toons that was just auto attacking mostly since auto attack is huge dps in EQ2 and mostly casting on tank and heals. Eq has auto follow which makes it a lot easier to box as well. Was super hard in the beginning but after a year or so it was just like playing only one toon. Maybe its cause im female and can multitask ;p The challenge is a huge part of why i enjoy it so much since its really hard but damn is it fun This game would be much harder to play several toons in at once but i will probably have at least 2 account in the future. Not right now though since its not needed in a new game like this but after a few years when people start dropping off and grouping will be hard to do its nice to be able to box. Botting and multiboxing is 2 completely different things.

aegis156

Tripp3r wrote: »

look, straight up, multiboxing is unfair.

How is it unfair?

Someone has 2 computers you only have 1?
Someone can afford multiple accounts while you can only afford 1?
Someone is capable of processing information and reacting to stimuli faster than you?

That's like saying its unfair I make 100k a year and you make 10k.

They pay for the hardware and the accounts if they are capable of running multiple toons at once effectively then more power to them.

ShadowKnight1987

To clear this whole thread up that i started. I have no problems with soneone multiboxing for quests/dungeons etc. But when they have been seen in the same area farming with 5 characters for 4 days straight at 1pm, 10pm, and 4am(i was on a night shift so i logged in lol), you kind of start to wonder, this guy is not "playing the game", but just another guy spamming farming to sell on a website and then spam the chat with the address of said website. Again, ive no issues with the players multiboxing for the sheer challenge of it, but just for farming and only farming is kind of exploiting the game.

Nefar

Milanna wrote: »

dawnhawk wrote: »

Yes and AI research is also very useful for making trojan worms. What's your point?

As a regular player it is really hard differentiating between a "regular player" multiboxing and someone botting and doing it for profit. If such a difference exists.

I would disagree -- A multi-boxer, remember, is at the keyboard controlling the characters movements and combat. You will not see any pathing type automation from the multi-boxers, nor are the combat routines going to look the same as they would from a bot. So you will get a large difference in movement and differences in the combat sequence. There are some behaviors, however, you can watch for so you can easily spot the bots.

Three things to look for when trying to decide if a character is a bot or not is the combat sequence, loot routine and how they maneuver. When you see someone in the dungeon or outside, look at how their character(s) are moving. Majority of bots will follow a defined pathing routine, which is easily spot able. You will see them walk the same path over and over again. This is quite apparent in a dungeon, as they are fairly small. (least ones I've seen so far) Outside takes a little more observation if they run a 'long path'. Many of the bots in ESO clearly don't care about being obvious so you will catch some simply pathing a single dungeon room or a small outdoor camp.

Watch combat routines and then how they react after combat is finished. An easy way to see an example of this is go into any dungeon and find the boss spawn, there is surely to be bots present. Watch how the majority do not move or will path forward specifically to a mob if say a DK pulls it, then they will path back to the spawn spot when done with their looting routine. Sometimes before the boss mob will even appear on your screen you will see them initiating combat. Once the fight watch for the loot routine, most will do a little 'shuffle' to the corpse to loot. You can pull the mobs back a little with a DK see the loot routine even more pronounced. Another easy way to spot them in a crowd (besides their stacking behavior) is to drag mobs to them and see which characters instant react.

AlliN

Conversation of a blind with a deaf.

Unless you are going to use same nomenclature, and differentiate between playing on multiple accounts without any automation and playing on multiple accounts using command multiplying software, this thread is pointless.

Milanna

@Nefar

I´m sure you are right, but the way I see it, this will simply make me not report any bots. Ever. I don´t want to report players, and I don´t want to spend my game time trying to figure out if I am watching a bot or a player.

I just want to play the game and enjoy it. Bots are a pain in the ***, but throw multiboxing players into the mix and it´s a freak show.

FENGRUSH

AlliN wrote: »

Dont claim people are cheating with multiboxing when you have no idea what youre talking about. Youre embarrassing yourself.

Actualy, if you would use those amazing observation skills of yours, you would see that NO ONE in that thread has anything against people having and using multiple accounts. THIS IS NOT A REAL MULTIBOXING. It's playing the game at two accounts. Nobody has a problem with that.

If you use software like hydra, autohotkey or other command copier to make ALL CHARACTERS YOU PLAY repeat the SAME COMMAND making it a bot train, that cheating, that's against TOS.

Let me use your own quote:

Don't claim people are calling playing on multiple accounts without automation cheating, when you have no idea what youre talking about and you did not cared to read through the thread. You're embarrassing yourself.

You want to know limitations? Open 3 clients as you just did, now press ONE KEY ONCE to make ALL characters move forward AT THE SAME TIME. Does not work, does it? Same with addons, they can't bypass windows handling and process handling. There is NOTHING in the OP that allows you to copy commands to other windowed clients. THAT's the limitation. Windows pass I/O commands ONLY to the active process. Without 3rd party software you can't copy it, you have to alt tab - and THAT'S NOT a real multiboxing. Is that a bit clearer now?

All he's done is bind the inbuilt /follow command to a macro and bound that to a key, so he can activate the /follow command with a single keypress

There are no /follow commands in ESO client side lua base. You can't make a bot through the macro/addon unless it's a stationary "target closest" bot. You can't make multibox follower with it.

Try to relax there buddy. The U mad was rhetorical. You dont need to type in caps while misquoting my replies to other people and then arguing a point I never brought up with you only to draw a conclusion on something I wasnt even talking about. I started my career from building and running bots. Multiboxing is not botting. Theres a lot of people here that dont understand what multiboxing is and as a result, 'do not approve of multiboxing/want it banned'.

Multiboxing is playing multiple accounts, even if all of the others are idle. Automating them, is not multiboxing, that is either macroing (whether its through in-game tools or external) or just running them entirely through a bot program. While this has already been said many times in this thread, you seem to be willfully ignorant where the line is actually at.

Its not acceptable to use bot programs in ESO. Its not acceptable to run macros across other clients on the same device. But beyond that, if you want to log in 5 chars and play them, there isnt anything stopping you from doing it. You wont be able to play anymore than 2 of them decently, but thats your choice. Thats just the nature of the game. Ive played games where I multiboxed 7 chars for a group. 4 ran supports, 1 was for healing, another pulling, and another to aoe. Was this legit? Yes. Was I botting or doing anything automated? Nope, wouldnt want to incur the risk to all the accounts. This is multiboxing, and its legit.

What youre all mad about is bots, so just address them as they are, and call them bots. If you think theres a guy macroing 4 chars in one place for 24hours a day, youre just being asinine. Leave your techy talk at work little son. Nobody here needs the details of how a game client functions with an OS. Multiboxxing will see very little to no use in ESO compared to other MMOs due to how its structured. Botting on the other hand... that will be prevalent anywhere there is money to be made.

FENGRUSH

ShadowKnight1987 wrote: »

. Again, ive no issues with the players multiboxing for the sheer challenge of it, but just for farming and only farming is kind of exploiting the game.

Oh ok just for farming it must be an exploit. Its no different than me and my wife farming said spot. Therefore its kind of not exploiting and you probably should rethink what the hell youre trying to say.

Jadakin

Multi-boxing is not an exploit. Neither is botting. An exploit is taking advantage of something already in game that has broken mechanics and using it past what is intended by game design. You are exploiting a weakness within the game. Cheating is using outside programs to have an advantage. This is what botting is and Multi-Boxing can be. If you download a third party software and don't have to be physically at your computer to do things in game, you are cheating. You are not exploiting. This is really important distinction because many, wrongly, think they can do whatever they want in the game and it's fine because the game 'allows' it. That is not the case and misusing the world exploit only further complicates the matter and causes further confusion among the community.

For this issue specifically if the multi-boxer is controlling the characters separately, then it's not exploiting and nor is it cheating. If the multi-boxer is using another program to run all the characters (which is often the case,) then he/she is cheating. Regardless, they are not exploiting.

Now if the multi-boxer is constantly farming a node preventing another player from harvesting, but present at the computer - then that could be griefing. That would of course be a case by case basis and up to that specific games ToS and CS team to decide.

FENGRUSH

Jadakin wrote: »

Multi-boxing is not an exploit. Neither is botting. An exploit is taking advantage of something already in game that has broken mechanics and using it past what is intended by game design. You are exploiting a weakness within the game. Cheating is using outside programs to have an advantage. This is what botting is and Multi-Boxing can be. If you download a third party software and don't have to be physically at your computer to do things in game, you are cheating. You are not exploiting. This is really important distinction because many, wrongly, think they can do whatever they want in the game and it's fine because the game 'allows' it. That is not the case and misusing the world exploit only further complicates the matter and causes further confusion among the community.

For this issue specifically if the multi-boxer is controlling the characters separately, then it's not exploiting and nor is it cheating. If the multi-boxer is using another program to run all the characters (which is often the case,) then he/she is cheating. Regardless, they are not exploiting.

Now if the multi-boxer is constantly farming a node preventing another player from harvesting, but present at the computer - then that could be griefing. That would of course be a case by case basis and up to that specific games ToS and CS team to decide.

Well said

AlliN

Try to relax there buddy. The U mad was rhetorical. You dont need to type in caps while misquoting my replies to other people and then arguing a point I never brought up with you only to draw a conclusion on something I wasnt even talking about.

As for misquoting, first quote was a direct one, nothing to misquote here - second, I intentionaly emboldened the part, that I changed, to show you, that the same argument you brought up can be used against your opinion.

First off: You had two tries, to actualy read up my posts. You would see, that I have absolutely no issues with players using multiple accounts on their own, yet you try to educate me on the matter:

While this has already been said many times in this thread, you seem to be willfully ignorant where the line is actually at.

But, on the other hand:

Automating them, is not multiboxing

That's nonsense. If you are so experienced, you probably saw PVP multiboxers in WoW. You saw 5x Ele shaman or 5x Hunters (in 19 twink range) trains in WoW. Those were not bots. I'm not talking about bots. I know the difference between bot and multibox (but it seems you don't, but I will show that in a moment). I'm against bots, and automated multiboxing. Tell me, did anyone called those WoW pvp stacks bots? Please.

I'm just going to leave that link here - as a comment to" Automating them is not multiboxing".
http://www.wowwiki.com/Multiboxing_software
So, wait, software that was ALWAYS called "multi-boxing tools" are when used, changing the name of your actions from multiboxing to scripting/macroing, while they are still called multiboxing software? Is that your logic? Then, I have nothing to add.

You are mixing your own terminology, where multiboxing when automated is not multiboxing anymore (again, not that I have anything against non-automated multiboxing).

You say:

What youre all mad about is bots, so just address them as they are, and call them bots.

No, I'm mad at both - but strangely for You, player who automates multibox alt, is a botter. Ok, now tell me - Is the nature of the BOT to be manned? Are bots using real human, real time input? No, becasue by every freaking definition of a bot, bot is unmanned. Multibox alt with a software that duplicates commands is manned, by all ways and means, it's still some guy replicating his input. Bot proceeds without any automation. So, again, say that toons 2-4 that follow a character are bots, if their actions come from a person.

Call me ignorant as much as you want, but seems you have nothing in terms of sheer logic when it comes to your experience. I had a laugh when you said I can't tell a difference between bot and multibox.

codyyoungnub18_ESO

I have not even checked, does ESO have a /follow ? Last I checked if it does not in order to maintain formation would require illegal software, unless you plan on moving them individually back to formation.

But it is very obvious the multi-boxers in cold harbor are botting, take the same path make the same stops regardless of if the mobs have spawned for the same amount of time. Oh and you put your pet on the corner and they get stuck sometimes running into a wall until the pack makes it back around.

It's doesn't take a techno nerd to see that.

FENGRUSH

AlliN wrote: »

I had a laugh when you said I can't tell a difference between bot and multibox.

I had a laugh when I realized you were entertained by something I hadnt even said.

Sakiri

Osi wrote: »

allwebjunkb16_ESO wrote: »

As previously mentioned I don't MB in ESO, I don't see the point. I did in EQ and in WoW. Two monitors, two PC's, Two Keyboards, one controlling a dps and one controlling a healer or CC. Keyboards on a tiered desk so I only have to move my hands slightly to interact with either keyboard, macro for /follow (ingame macro system) on the 'slave' when moving.

I know people that did this with 4-5 accounts/rigs with no external software back in the day, as no software existed. Here's an example of the setup that was required.

And if you can propose a way to isolate your... craziness (I think you can agree, to the normal person that is quite insane) from the hundreds of others that do it to gain an unfair advantage by using software to clone actions onto other accounts, whether they be on the same computer or not, I am all ears.

Edit - And for the record, I have no problem with what you showed. Your time, your life, as much as a disagree with people playing the game like that. One input, one output per character.

Re-Edit - You used a macro to have one account follow another. That is almost the definition of third-party software (even if you wrote it yourself) and is cheating. Omit the macro, and there is no problem.

If youre talking about me, I linked the addons. Theyre legitimate and exclusively use the built in UI API.

AlliN

FENGRUSH wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

I had a laugh when you said I can't tell a difference between bot and multibox.

I had a laugh when I realized you were entertained by something I hadnt even said.

Ok, again, let me quote you

While this has already been said many times in this thread, you seem to be willfully ignorant where the line is actually at.

Mind you, that was after your misguided statement about how automated multiboxing is not multiboxing:
again, your words

Automating them, is not multiboxing

and how my ignorance makes me not see the line between bots and multiboxers (and that, there are 2 kinds of them). And disregarding simple fact that multiboxing with a script is still multiboxing (one dos not breaks ToS and does, but that does not change what you've said a bit)

So, yes, you've said that. Anything else?

Thing is, we're battling semantics here (you are losing, but that's not the point). Multiboxer that uses 3rd party software to replciate inputs is breaking ToS. Multiboxer that uses just n+1 numbers of accounts is not breaking ToS if he does that manually if he likes it. And yes, bots, multiboxers and automated multiboxers require different approach. That's the essence.

the_Burne

I've multiboxed before.. (just 5 toons/accounts) but using a KVM switch, to use the same keyboard/mouse to control multiple pc's.. but that's when I was a game addict and farmed dungeons in my own groups lol.... now I just play 1 account at a time.

Multiboxing, is very difficult, controlling so many chars, watching their screens, changing focus of toons to heal/attck targets.. was difficult. You could not be afk.

Botting is not. back when a WoW bot was popular (before he got sued), little user input was needed and poof your a botter, you could be afk, patrolling the zone, looting, killing, harvesting.. was insane.

I also used to dual box a lot with a healer char.. but this game is faceroll easy no healer needed.

daemonios

I understand the difference between botting and multiboxing, and I'd say multiboxing can be a form of grief play. When a single player is farming a scarce resource like a dungeon boss using multiple toons, it negatively affects other players directly, and can indirectly affect the game, e.g. by allowing a player to farm harder areas alone and amass large amounts of gold.

Sakiri

daemonios wrote: »

I understand the difference between botting and multiboxing, and I'd say multiboxing can be a form of grief play. When a single player is farming a scarce resource like a dungeon boss using multiple toons, it negatively affects other players directly, and can indirectly affect the game, e.g. by allowing a player to farm harder areas alone and amass large amounts of gold.

You could say the same thing about my sorc being able to solo skulls.

Wolfborn

Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »

Multi-boxing is for sad losers, with more money than sense and no friends.

So says the bloke playing on a outdated lower end rig. See, i can generalize with zero facts as well. I used to multibox back in the days of EQ, in those days most did . Most classes had a druid following them around so they could progress and the game population had no issue as that character was controlled by a player, that's the difference.

I have read this thread, and people like the bloke I quoted are so ignorant, its a amazing. Multi boxing is not botting. Botting use third party programs and are not controlled by a human player, hence why you see 4-8 at a time going around. Multi boxing have just multiple instances of the game running on the same rig which the alt tab to control.

They are still behind the keyboard in active control at all times. The second account is not automated but controlled like there primary toon by hand. If a person has the secondary account controlled by anything other then the user ie macro, thrid party program then yes they are then boting and should be banned.

I am still wondering how the OP knew the person targeted for his/her post was actually multi boxing and not boting ?

AlliN

^Up

You are also a bit ignorant to call multiboxing with automation (bannable) same thing as botting. Bots, by the definition of botting itself don't require player input at all, as you know. They just follow a script. But there is also a middle ground called automated multiboxing where you use programs like autohotkey to duplicate commands, creating your own team, that moves and acts thank to 3rd party software multiplying inputs for all clients. It can't be called botting, but it should be also bannable. It's not botting though, it's a form of multiboxing, and please don't tell me you never saw a player with 4 ghosts mimicking his movements. So, they are all bannable apart from "manual" multiboxing, that is not against ToS - but there are 2 types of multiboxing and they are not the same. Calling it botting, is basicaly, an ignorance towards their mechanic.

Shillen

Vlas wrote: »

Multiboxing is not an exploit.

It should be. The only reason it is isn't is because it's more money for the devs. They're all using 3rd party programs to control their characters. They are manually controlling one of them and the third party program controls all the other ones for them. I don't see how that's not botting. It's also more detrimental to the game than anything the botters do.

Wolfborn

AlliN wrote: »

^Up

You are also a bit ignorant to call multiboxing with automation (bannable) same thing as botting. Bots, by the definition of botting itself don't require player input at all, as you know. They just follow a script. But there is also a middle ground called automated multiboxing where you use programs like autohotkey to duplicate commands, creating your own team, that moves and acts thank to 3rd party software multiplying inputs for all clients. It can't be called botting, but it should be also bannable. It's not botting though, it's a form of multiboxing, and please don't tell me you never saw a player with 4 ghosts mimicking his movements. So, they are all bannable apart from "manual" multiboxing, that is not against ToS - but there are 2 types of multiboxing and they are not the same. Calling it botting, is basicaly, an ignorance towards their mechanic.

Heh ?

IMO do you even know the TOS of the game we play ?

If I ran two accounts in ESO and used no third party automated program but just alt tabed and controlled like the good old days, then I am safe with zero issue.

If I ran two accounts in Eso and used third party programs to automate my second account then yes I would and should be banned.

My post was quite clear. You are just arguing for arguing sake. I never once suggested that using multiple accounts by using third party programs was OK. Also dont lecture me on the types of multi boxing, its common knowledge. Also dont be so rude to tell me what I should see in game, as that's not actually in discussion here.

Bottom line, in regards to TOS is a multi boxer used a automated system to control a secondary character, they would come under the punishment of a botter. Its quite simple really.

Gwarok

ShadowKnight1987 wrote: »

I have been trying to farm in Grathwood area with my character (at the lower-right side of map), but there are these 4-6
other players that are there 24/7 being controlled by 1 player, moving around in the exact same pattern as each other as if mirrored. I have reported this more than 4 times now with no reply or evidence that these account are being checked as it is clearly an exploit of the game.

I'm a little late on this OP's topic but...

If you have point(s) in it, (just wait 3 minutes(ish) at the MOST...for the re-spawn) use Infinity Chains and yank that mob away from the bots...I guarantee, at times, it is very entertaining to see those bots run around trying to reach for the loot on that kill (and running back in time for the next spawn kill ).

#BotsAreStuckOnStupid

AlliN

IMO do you even know the TOS of the game we play ?

If I ran two accounts in ESO and used no third party automated program but just alt tabed and controlled like the good old days, then I am safe with zero issue.

If I ran two accounts in Eso and used third party programs to automate my second account then yes I would and should be banned.

That's exactly what I've said.

So says the bloke playing on a outdated lower end rig.

What was that about being rude?

I have read this thread, and people like the bloke I quoted are so ignorant, its a amazing. Multi boxing is not botting. Botting use third party programs and are not controlled by a human player, hence why you see 4-8 at a time going around.

Your common knowledge was missing an important thing, becasue as you see, you only used TWO possible ways of doing it, while actualy there are of course THREE. So, after you called someone ignorant, I decided to give you a lecture, to show you, that you are missing a crucial point yourself.

I never once suggested that using multiple accounts by using third party programs was OK.

And I never said you did. You are pulling it up from the hat. I never said I don't agree with you, I've only said what you posted was lacking, yet you called another person ignorant

IMO do you even know the TOS of the game we play ?

Do you really think starting tht sentence with "In my oppinion" does not make it really, really stupid?

Is it really that hard to read a post not assuming someone is saying something contrary to your words, yet at the same time not agreeing with the way you've laid it down? The third option, you know?

Wolfborn

AlliN wrote: »

IMO do you even know the TOS of the game we play ?

If I ran two accounts in ESO and used no third party automated program but just alt tabed and controlled like the good old days, then I am safe with zero issue.

If I ran two accounts in Eso and used third party programs to automate my second account then yes I would and should be banned.

That's exactly what I've said.

So says the bloke playing on a outdated lower end rig.

What was that about being rude?

I have read this thread, and people like the bloke I quoted are so ignorant, its a amazing. Multi boxing is not botting. Botting use third party programs and are not controlled by a human player, hence why you see 4-8 at a time going around.

Your common knowledge was missing an important thing, becasue as you see, you only used TWO possible ways of doing it, while actualy there are of course THREE. So, after you called someone ignorant, I decided to give you a lecture, to show you, that you are missing a crucial point yourself.

I never once suggested that using multiple accounts by using third party programs was OK.

And I never said you did. You are pulling it up from the hat. I never said I don't agree with you, I've only said what you posted was lacking, yet you called another person ignorant

IMO do you even know the TOS of the game we play ?

Do you really think starting tht sentence with "In my oppinion" does not make it really, really stupid?

lol I can see why you were laughed off TF

ZeBlade

If someone is there driving so to speak then nothing wrong. They pay they can play how they want. Now we ALL have seen this kind of thing and I have NEVER seen a real person there. If they run a pattern over and over or standing where a NPC spawns its botting and will be banned. Matters not if you like it or agree it will happen and does thank God.

Now this guy says same exact pattern. This is not allowed here and you know it. The reason they are still there is the same reason some are still in dungeons. Were not talking one or two were talking hundreds of them. They HAVE to check each one. So this does take time. Just keep reporting them.

See most people do not report them...they dont care. I do.. these people are ripping off ESO taking real money that should go to ESO.

Just use the key "F" and see the name after @. Bots are always @‌kskksksajks

AlliN

lol I can see why you were laughed off TF

I think you're just tired. Doubt you can elaborate, "bloke"?