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Multiboxing is very at large.
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Their presence isn't an issue, no different from a group of players .. unless they're being driven by third-party software there is nothing you can report them for.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Multiboxing is not an exploit, but if it interferes with your gameplay and doing it on purpose in a questing area then you have the right to report them.
Nope, I don't 'box in this game there is no advantage in doing so, but I detest people like you who harass players totally within their rights to play the way you don't like.
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
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Their presence isn't an issue, no different from a group of players .. unless they're being driven by third-party software there is nothing you can report them for.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Multiboxing is not an exploit, but if it interferes with your gameplay and doing it on purpose in a questing area then you have the right to report them.
Nope, I don't 'box in this game there is no advantage in doing so, but I detest people like you who harass players totally within their rights to play the way you don't like.
So your saying you can't report someone for interfering with your gameplay?
use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
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dawnhawk✭✭✭Bangstin - I agree that GW2 does not allow multiboxing. Is there anything in ESO that does not allow it? I will freely admit - I haven't looked. I don't intend to box at this point in time as I said.
My response was purely in response to people who wanted to know the difference between botting and boxing, and why anyone would box other than to level multiple characters at the same time.
@Milanna - while I agree that botting is a problem, and in that you have my complete empathy, I don't agree that we should simply remove every function from existence that could be used for nefarious purposes is a very good solution. We really wouldn't have much left in existence...
From my personal experience - most boxers will talk to you. While botters won't. The only thing to be aware of is if you are talking to a boxer the response may be delayed. Unless they can see all of their chat screens at the same time - they may miss your tell.
Also boxers have the ability to "react" - botters can only do what their programming tells them to. Hence why you can get bots stuck on things by kiting the boss etc. A boxer can always take control of an individual character in unpredictable situations (so unstick them etc) - a botter can't because they aren't there. It's all automated.0 -
dawnhawk✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
Wow that quote took a lot to clean up and change the emphasis...
And the reason I changed the emphasis...because the part you bolded made no sense without the part I bolded. ^.^
Boxing
- not cheating - check
- not automated software - check
- not a hack - check
- not a mod - check
- not unauthorized 3rd party software - check
Therefore - the comment about whether it affects your gameplay at ALL for good or bad is irrelevant.
Sorry...no, honestly, I am - I realise you are frustrated, but what we have been trying to tell you is this is NOT an exploit just because you don't like it.
It is NO different than a group of four people killing a boss over and over. And it's not botting - it's not automated.
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Milanna✭✭✭
@Milanna - while I agree that botting is a problem, and in that you have my complete empathy, I don't agree that we should simply remove every function from existence that could be used for nefarious purposes is a very good solution. We really wouldn't have much left in existence...
I don´t think we should either.
I do however believe that knowledge about a problem is important. That´s why I have you an "insight-click"
You provided insight.
I do tend to over-analyze, but at least I gain deeper understanding
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Milanna the Cold-hearted (Aldmeri Dominion)
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Arthur_Spoonfondle✭✭✭✭Multi-boxing is for sad losers, with more money than sense and no friends.2 -
Bangstin✭✭✭Bangstin - I agree that GW2 does not allow multiboxing. Is there anything in ESO that does not allow it? I will freely admit - I haven't looked. I don't intend to box at this point in time as I said.
Honestly i have no idea if ESO permits it or not. Guess i quoted the wrong guy, i just wanted to point out that multiboxing isn't automatically allowed in all mmo's like some people seem to think and there are some mmo's where it isn't allowed and will result in account termination.
Edited by Bangstin on May 1, 2014 6:55PM1 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Multiboxing is populated by 10% players who want a challenge and can handle the tasking and 90% players who are also botting and scripting.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
Vr14 Dk bow/2h
Brayan Blackthunder
Goddick
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Milanna✭✭✭@Milanna - a soul after my own heart! I'm a horrible person to watch a movie with...well that's not true...watching it is fine. Just don't hang around afterwards unless you like to tear it apart (I'm silent during the actual watching part).
Analyze away. ^.^
We must have similar personality disorders
Tearing it apart is the hightlight of the evening !EU-server
Mila the True (Aldmeri Dominion)
Milanna the Cold-hearted (Aldmeri Dominion)
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✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »
Their presence isn't an issue, no different from a group of players .. unless they're being driven by third-party software there is nothing you can report them for.Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Multiboxing is not an exploit, but if it interferes with your gameplay and doing it on purpose in a questing area then you have the right to report them.
Nope, I don't 'box in this game there is no advantage in doing so, but I detest people like you who harass players totally within their rights to play the way you don't like.
So your saying you can't report someone for interfering with your gameplay?
use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game or adversely impact any other persons playing of the Game or his/her experience of playing the Game;
Will you report someone who picks up a resource node before you and interferes with your gameplay? Get real.
You can report someone for this if you want, but there's nothing in their terms of service that will not allow them to play 2 chars if they want.Fairydragon3 wrote: »So this would be pretty difficult to pull off, pretty much the Launcher will not allow the game to run two instances on the same OS, so they would have to be using two seprate machines. IMO if they are paying for 2 machines and two games and two subscriptions.....I wouldn't care really
You can easily run 2 clients on the same machine, FYI. You don't even need to try hard to figure this one out lol.fix the game breaking bugs first. Worry about botters. gold spammers afteewards imo.
I think you posted in the wrong thread. Multiboxing isnt botters/gold spammers.0 -
Dunhilda✭✭✭ffs is most of you new to MMOs?
multiboxing isn't an exploit it's a legit way of play and btw the guy that is multiboxing is most likely have more money than you will have.
Videos on multiboxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR9NyOFF40I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noaMRwlJ6qs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JJKz2CjdHQ
None of them are Exploits each one is being control by the same player with the same command, no botting
And now if you could research it and find the facts out for yourselves.2 -
Dunhilda✭✭✭Yes and AI research is also very useful for making trojan worms. What's your point?
My point is that this game is overrun by bots and that mutiboxing clearly has a use for botters. As a regular player it is really hard differentiating between a "regular player" multiboxing and someone botting and doing it for profit. If such a difference exists.
TL;DR version
Ban all guns, bad guys uses them, Hurt the law-abiding people?
what it sounded like to me.
And you do know that Bad people ( Criminals ) Will still have guns while the legit people do not?
Sound just like that and either way was stupid.
Also to point it out
Another person wanting to hurt legit players
This forums is littered with them.
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Bangstin✭✭✭ffs is most of you new to MMOs?
multiboxing isn't an exploit it's a legit way of play and btw the guy that is multiboxing is most likely have more money than you will have.
None of them are Exploits each one is being control by the same player with the same command, no botting
And now if you could research it and find the facts out for yourselves.
That doesn't make it allowed in all mmo's. The 'fact' is multiboxing isn't allowed in all mmo's.0 -
Jennifur_Vultee✭✭✭✭✭Multiboxing has never been forbidden by any MMO.
If you want to know why Google/research it.
Actually it has. The last MMO I played TOS made it a bannable offense and it should be here as well. There's no good reason for it in my opinion and it ruins others players experience. I see it as a cheat by lazy players but again...that's my opinion. I came to play ESO not exploit it.
"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." – Albert Einstein
Treat a customer fairly and they will remember you. Treat a customer poorly and they never forget.
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Milanna✭✭✭@Dunhilda
That is your interpretation.
Sprung from your mind. Not mine. What does that say about you?
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Milanna the Cold-hearted (Aldmeri Dominion)
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scruffycavetroll✭✭✭ffs is most of you new to MMOs?...
btw the guy that is multiboxing is most likely have more money than you will have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
lol wut
i know a guy who multiboxed...he was on disability and not working...people like us were paying for him to play.
Edited by scruffycavetroll on May 1, 2014 7:14PM2 -
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✭✭✭Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »Multiboxing has never been forbidden by any MMO.
However, not all games condone multiboxing. Generally, a rule states that a player can only have one account from an IP address logged on at once. This is usually implemented to keep people from trading items that are limited per day to themselves. Games that do not allow a player to have more than one character at a time include Immortal Night and RuneScape.0 -
dawnhawk✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »However, not all games condone multiboxing. Generally, a rule states that a player can only have one account from an IP address logged on at once. This is usually implemented to keep people from trading items that are limited per day to themselves. Games that do not allow a player to have more than one character at a time include Immortal Night and RuneScape.
Er....everyone I know would be breaking that rule.
My bf's desktop and my desktop are on the same IP because we moved his computer over here during the beta so we could try things out together.
My friend and his wife both have their computers on the same IP.
In fact every married gamer couple I know (and when you take a computer science degree...you know a lot) is on the same IP.
I played WoW with a group of five who all lived in the same house.
How many separate internet connections do you have going into your house? Not to mention college dorm kids would be screwed...
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ChairGraveyard✭✭✭✭FYI Post - Multiboxing is a vague term that can describe several discrete things
I'm going to list the various "types" of multiboxing and the differences, as well as give them a rating of how much they annoy other players.- Non-Automated Multiboxing - i.e., playing multiple accounts at once, ***manually***. The player has 2+ accounts, and runs 2+ instances of the game, and alt-tabs between each, manually performing actions on each character. Nothing is automated in this setup, at all - everything is manual play. Rating is: Least Annoying. - These players typically stay out of the way of others and multibox for the challenge of controlling multiple characters/a whole group by themselves.
- "Repeater" Multiboxing - i.e., Actions on the "main" client are repeated to the other clients, so that all of the characters perform the same actions in the same sequence, and move together. - Rating is: Fairly Annoying - this stuff breaks immersion badly and is usually done to grind gold, and tends to be middling disruptive to other players as those that do this don't care about being annoying typically.
- Automated/Botting Multiboxing - i.e., multiple accounts and characters, being controlled not by a player, but by a botting program. Often these will have different AI modules per class to form a real "group" if done up in the most advanced ways, but can also be as base as a bunch of templars running around in sync and doing automated actions - Rating is: Most Annoying! - Botting with multiples is definitely the most annoying of these, as the player is typically not present or doesn't care at all to not be annoying and disrupt other players.
I wanted to post this because, in my estimation, manually or minimally automated multiboxing (the first in the list) is not that big a deal - the person is playing the game and not cheating by automating actions. The advantages they get are somewhat less than even having a real group of people anyway, and they're paying for their accounts.
Further, those sorts of players tend to do this type of manual (or almost all manual) multiboxing for the challenge rather than to just camp spawns and grind loot or whatever, and thus tend to be conscious of not bothering other players or disrupting their play. They will also tend to have an upper limit of 4-6 characters, unlike the botting multiboxers, who may have dozens.2 -
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it2 -
AlliN✭✭✭If any multiboxer can tell me, he actualy can control 4 characers at once, without any external mouse movement multiplying software or programs like autohotkey effectively in all four windows, I'll even apologize for my ignorance in saying they are just dirty cheaters that use software that breaks ToS.
Come one, please proove you do it like Shiva, 4 keyboards and 4 mice at once- not unauthorized 3rd party software - check
Yes, tell us, how you do it, that without any windows support for it, all follow-boxes do exactly the same thing IN EXACTLY THE SAME TIME. Tell me, that you don't use any 3rd party software for automation. Come on, I dare you to say you click every command.fix the game breaking bugs first. Worry about botters. gold spammers afteewards imo.
Well, so it happens botting in that excesive form and gold buyers ARE game breaking things.Edited by AlliN on May 1, 2014 7:26PM0 -
Dunhilda✭✭✭stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
Wait
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax
And again we wait on Zeni, but being it's not a program nor software, no breach.
P.S Do you use teamspeak or any other form of chat out side of the game? Talking while dead isn't possible in game you know * Wink*
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scruffycavetroll✭✭✭stuartoatleyeb17_ESO wrote: »
Doesn't matter what you think thankfully, it's what ZOS think and multiboxing is NOT an exploit .. BOTTING isn't allowed and multiboxing ISN'T BOTTING per se.South_of_Heaven wrote: »
Please educate yourself.
Sorry, but I think it's the pro multiboxers that need educating here. It DOES break the ToS
9. YOUR USE OF THE SERVICES
You further agree not to access, create, or provide any other means through which the Services, including, but not limited to, any Game(s), may be used or accessed by others, such as through server emulators.
You may not participate, take part in, initiate, or engage in actions that impose an unreasonable or disproportionate load on the infrastructure hosting the Game(s) and/or Services.
You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums), software that transmits, manipulates, or distributes (including, but are limited to, “mirroring”) the data stream or any aspect of the Services to another computer, server websites or other publication or distribution media, or software that permits You to use Services without human input are examples of methods not authorized by ZeniMax.
Multiboxing most definitely does influence and advantage your playing abilities, both by having another character constantly involved in your battles that you are not specifically controlling and by levelling more than one character simultaneously.
Whether or not Zenimax decide to act on it is another question, but it is in breach of the ToS, so I would suggest people think carefully before doing it
i'm not for or against it...but it isn't against the TOS as each box is a different license # and a different account.
Each account is bound to the TOS of course...however, it's the exact same thing as 2 friends playing together, only multiboxing one person playing with themselves. there is no additional software or outside influences providing an advantage...in the basic circumstance.
Now realize, that you're telling a 'for profit' company to NOT sell another copy of the game, and to NOT generate another sub fee.Edited by scruffycavetroll on May 1, 2014 7:35PM0 -
Rapscallion74✭✭✭I have seen groups of bots in stonefalls that could have been mistaken as multiboxers. There would be a group of 4-5 running around together, but there was no mistaking that the leader was a bot, as it was exhibiting all the tell-tale signs of bot behaviour.0 -
AlliN✭✭✭And again we wait on Zeni, but being it's not a program nor software, no breach.
You can push bollocks to the meek, but not people who have a slightest idea about windows environment. There is no way you can click on more than one active window at a time, keyboard commands are applied to the active window only.
You can have 4 clients opened, and you would still have to alt tab them to give commands to each and every box you have going.
That's not happening, all multiboxed toons are acting almost instantly, are using abilities together (3 od them, after slight delay from leading toon) - that clearly shows things like mousemultiplier or autohotkey softwares.
Nice try.0