I have no issues on how it's currently designed.

I'm always doing RND with alts, and i've found that whenever this happens all i have to do is say in group chat "new dungeon, doing quests, please slow down" and they tend to slow down. Not had anyone refuse to slow down once ive said that to them.

If you said, "Hey, first time in here," or, "Doing the quest," or something like that in general, then you got with a jerk and that's totally on the jerk.

If you didn't say anything, then that's on you. People are going to assume you've done the dungeon before and are on a lowbie alt. For a game this old, that's not an unreasonable assumption.

A lot of players are going to want to run the dungeon really quickly but will slow down for someone who needs to. Some won't. They're just jerks. But you can't tell the difference unless you say something.

Ermiq wrote: »

Recently I was leveling up several new characters, and random normal daily always ended up to be as: one high CP player runs forward and rushes the dungeon ignoring the 3 low level comrades completely.
Some of them are doing the quest on their alt, others experiencing the dungeon for the very first time. Yet, it is extremely rare to meet the high CP grinder who would take a look around and would not be a selfish [snip].
I know there are good people who won't mind to wait for newbies, because I myself am one of them. But in my recent experience in alt characters it seems like almost everyone is a hurrying selfish grinder in modern random normal runs.
If I was ZOS, I'd actually disable random normal for level 50+ characters. What would you do? And would you do anything?

If you choose to level using random group finder then what you get is what you get. If you want to control how you level in group finder then maybe you should consider putting a group together of similar minded people.

I would love to find random groups that knew basic mechanics, but you get what you get if you select random. It is random for a reason, sadly not for your convenience.

I usually wait and ask if you are doing the quest before engaging. If there is no answer, and I notice you waiting for NPCs, or having to kill an extra boss, I will wait and help still.
If you aren't though, I cannot read minds.

I would not disable RND for 50+. I like the dungeons in ESO a lot, and some days I don't feel like grouping up and farming DLC veteran ones, so I just go and chill to spend time.

It isn't the players fault either. Early dungeon quests are SLOW, you need to wait for NPCs, take extra steps, and if you miss one thing you now cannot complete the quest. It sucks, but again, you can't make people play the way you want them to.

I also have no way of knowing if you are an actual level 30 experiencing things for the first time, or if you are a super high level player trying to push a new character.
Many need to learn to use the chat too, I would never intrude with someone trying to achieve or do something, but I can't know until you tell me.

No. Random normal daily is fine as it is.

Disabling normal random dungeons for level 50+ players won't help. Perhaps zos could tighten the parameters making sure that you're matched closer to the level you are but not sure how that would work with CP and non CP players. A better idea might be for players to get twice as many transmutes for doing veteran randoms.

Change the rewards. If people want a large chunk of XP and stones, they ought to be slightly challenged in theory. If they want it super fast, they can settle for a normal dungeon with less rewards. I firmly believe they can motivate the high levels out of normals, and actually have it be in everyone's best interest as well.

I get that crossing the paths of high end players with lower ones can have interesting outcomes that can be positive. This happens all the time in PvP. The problem in dungeons is that's not the motivation to be there, and the players are motivated by such different objectives that they often dislike each other (to say the least) with objectives at odds.

I think it is sort of telling that your instinct was to call for removal of level 50+ from queues.

Not separate queues, and certainly not removing under 50s from queues.

And I think that speaks for itself

IMO the only rework random normal needs is that the timer should reset on a fixed 24hr

It needs a complete rework. It's broken on so many levels, some of which just encourage toxic behaviour

- Try and group players better by level or interest. Whether that's explicit or just by learning the speed patterns of the accounts and grouping like with like.
- Make it per account (or diminishing returns per toon) as they are discussing for crafting and other stuff to stop the '18 toons as fast as possible' people
- Sadly probably also making all the boss fights on the way port people back to that boss fight so mr runs ahead keeps getting ported back to the bosses they skipped.
- Let ESO plus users opt out of DLC (and all the got depths of malatar, tank quits, healer quits stuff)
- Remove the transmute farming mess if not making it per account
- - Maybe just let people make smaller groups. It's not like most of the speedrunners want to be in a group to do the content.

Making it per account or cleaning up the 18 speedruns per account incentive would help a lot though because the need for speed to work through 18 characters and 180 crystals is gone.

It's fine as it is. My problem is with the waiting.

If I have to wait longer than a minute for a que, I no longer want to do it. Since I only play DPS, my ques are much longer than that. The result is I don't do randoms at all.

You cant correct player behavior you dont like, i also dont like rushing, but just because you dont like it doesnt mean zos can nor should correct an perceived issue.

You really, really don't want to suggest that they touch the group finder to make any kind of changes at all... ever.

8 years here have taught me that this never ends well.