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Why Can't I buy Furnishing Slot Upgrades?
Androrix
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My friend loves homemaking in the game. Seemed like it might be fun, so I bought Proudspire and she is helping me to furnish. We were surprised to find out that, because I do not subscribe to ESO plus, I get only 300 furnishing slots (instead of 600). Given that every apple, cup, candle, bowl, etc counts as one slot, this is nothing, and it seems impossible to make a house truly cozy. I would absolutely buy furnishing slot upgrades to get me closer to the eso plus limit, even on a house by house basis. But, unless I am missing it, I don't see that option anywhere.
Housing is part of the base game, but with such a low limit it seems underwhelming.
Still love the game and will still be playing!
Housing is part of the base game, but with such a low limit it seems underwhelming.
Still love the game and will still be playing!
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They've never sold those. Here's a thread from the Housing forum regarding why no upgrades to the number of slots:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512076/february-2020-furnishing-limit-status-update______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
PC NA, PC EU (non steam)- four accounts, many alts....2 -
Androrix✭✭✭✭They've never sold those. Here's a thread from the Housing forum regarding why no upgrades to the number of slots:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512076/february-2020-furnishing-limit-status-update
Thank you TaSheen! I had not seen that.
Seems like most of the thread relates to people wanting an increase to the max cap, which Zen explains causes performance issues. Without ESO plus I only have half that cap. If the people want even the max cap increased, it just confirms for me my reaction that the housing function in the base game is underwhelming.
I was thinking more of an option to buy even 100 more slots (that would still be much less than eso plus members get).
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TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think they'll change this - it's one of the things that makes the sub attractive to people, along with double bag and bank capacity, the craft bag, etc.______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
PC NA, PC EU (non steam)- four accounts, many alts....4 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Indeed, you basically can "rent" these features by subscribing to ESO+. Once you had ESO+, you will anyway never again want to be without it - so just do it. And with those nearly 20,000 crowns, which you get within a year, you get other stuff or houses you want from the crown store. You don't need to buy DLCs, because those are unlocked during ESO+ membership. So basically your costs are a yearly subscription plus the chapter every year.Edited by Lysette on June 2, 2022 2:35PM3 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Houses bought for crowns should have increased furnishing limit build in. It just feels a bit off (and kinda um... greedy ?) if you buy a premium "product" (virtual house) for 14K crowns (not cheap by any means) and you still need to pay extra, just to be able to decorate it properly.
My 2 cents ^9 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Houses bought for crowns should have increased furnishing limit build in. It just feels a bit off (and kinda um... greedy ?) if you buy a premium "product" (virtual house) for 14K crowns (not cheap by any means) and you still need to pay extra, just to be able to decorate it properly.
My 2 cents ^
Well those vast houses you cannot really decorate in full - regardless of if you have ESO+ or not. There are not enough slots available, those houses are just too big for the maximum amount of slots.
The extra features you get when buying a property with crowns is -
1. you don't have to fulfill any of the requirements
2. there is a furnished option as wellEdited by Lysette on June 2, 2022 2:42PM4 -
Androrix✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Houses bought for crowns should have increased furnishing limit build in. It just feels a bit off (and kinda um... greedy ?) if you buy a premium "product" (virtual house) for 14K crowns (not cheap by any means) and you still need to pay extra, just to be able to decorate it properly.
My 2 cents ^
Well, there is something else here. I was going to buy Proudspire for crowns. It was 7100 crowns furnished, 6000 unfurnished. That seemed crazy, given the crown to gold exchange rate when I could buy the house for 1 million gold. I wondered if I had bought for crowns whether I would have got an increased limit, because for 7100 crowns...you would think so. Otherwise, why would I ever buy a house for crowns?
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freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Houses bought for crowns should have increased furnishing limit build in. It just feels a bit off (and kinda um... greedy ?) if you buy a premium "product" (virtual house) for 14K crowns (not cheap by any means) and you still need to pay extra, just to be able to decorate it properly.
My 2 cents ^
Well, there is something else here. I was going to buy Proudspire for crowns. It was 7100 crowns furnished, 6000 unfurnished. That seemed crazy, given the crown to gold exchange rate when I could buy the house for 1 million gold. I wondered if I had bought for crowns whether I would have got an increased limit, because for 7100 crowns...you would think so. Otherwise, why would I ever buy a house for crowns?
Nope limits are the same on Crown Store houses. 😥When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some houses have a requirement to be fulfilled before you can buy them with gold. Buf if you buy with crowns, none of these requirements are relevant, you get the house straight away, without having to fulfill anything other than paying.
Then there is the fact, that as an ESO+ subscriber you get about 20,000 crowns within a year as subscription stipend. Something has to be done with those, so why not buying a house or two with it, eventually even furnished.Edited by Lysette on June 2, 2022 4:45PM2 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is the reason I never went beyond my first home. I have the Ebonheart Chateau. For me, housing is a combination of function (target dummies, wells, craft stations, storage) and a way to display achievement based trophies. I of course also want it to feel like a home to some degree.
You simply cant accomplish all 3 in one house, even though many of the homes would have plenty of room for it if storage limits were increased. I basically satisfy the function, am forced to pick and choose the achievements I display, and have no room left to furnish as I would like (and there are far larger homes out there). Even if they didn't increase the total storage, removing the sub categories of items would go a LONG way. Every new dungeon/trial DLC, I have to remove something to make room for the new undaunted busts.
Haven't and wont spend another dime on housing until furnishing limits are significantly increased.2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Houses bought for crowns should have increased furnishing limit build in. It just feels a bit off (and kinda um... greedy ?) if you buy a premium "product" (virtual house) for 14K crowns (not cheap by any means) and you still need to pay extra, just to be able to decorate it properly.
My 2 cents ^
Well those vast houses you cannot really decorate in full - regardless of if you have ESO+ or not. There are not enough slots available, those houses are just too big for the maximum amount of slots.
The extra features you get when buying a property with crowns is -
1. you don't have to fulfill any of the requirements
2. there is a furnished option as well
3. You don't have to be a high-level trader to accumulate the gold you need to buy houses for ingame currency.0 -
TX12001rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think 1000 crowns for every 10 slots would be the best, for the same price as 15 crown crates you could get 50 item slots, this would be like paying for DLC, ESO+ members would not need to buy it as they would by default have max furniture space.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »Houses bought for crowns should have increased furnishing limit build in. It just feels a bit off (and kinda um... greedy ?) if you buy a premium "product" (virtual house) for 14K crowns (not cheap by any means) and you still need to pay extra, just to be able to decorate it properly.
My 2 cents ^
Well those vast houses you cannot really decorate in full - regardless of if you have ESO+ or not. There are not enough slots available, those houses are just too big for the maximum amount of slots.
The extra features you get when buying a property with crowns is -
1. you don't have to fulfill any of the requirements
2. there is a furnished option as well
3. You don't have to be a high-level trader to accumulate the gold you need to buy houses for ingame currency.
yeah, that's true as well, I just threw that gold material on the market. which I gathered during the last month - that is a bit over a million gold - half of it sold within 3 days, the rest might be sold already, haven't logged in today yet. The stuff got really expensive, about double or triple the price I achieved when I played last year.
I bought just one home with it though, the rest went into upgrading my bank space.Edited by Lysette on June 3, 2022 7:16AM0 -
LikiLoki✭✭✭✭✭They've had several years to solve the productivity problem for homeowners. They understand that right now it's not working. Competent players have offered many solutions. Even a very weak additional server, for which we could pay with the purchase of slots, could cope with houses. But. Look at the number of problems in the game, look at the number of solved problems. There will be no solution. We can confidently expect new content, but no one will improve the old one.2 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, there is something else here. I was going to buy Proudspire for crowns. It was 7100 crowns furnished, 6000 unfurnished. That seemed crazy, given the crown to gold exchange rate when I could buy the house for 1 million gold.
Well, for one, when they created the housing system (and prices), there was no "crown gifting" or "crown selling". So the gold/crown prices for houses weren't balanced around any theoretical exchange rate.I wondered if I had bought for crowns whether I would have got an increased limit, because for 7100 crowns...you would think so. Otherwise, why would I ever buy a house for crowns?
1. You can only get the furnished version for crowns.
2. If you sub to ESO+ a lot, you likely have piles of crowns sitting around to spend
3. some houses can only be bought for crowns in the first place
Edited by Kiralyn2000 on June 3, 2022 12:29PM0 -
Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Imagine buying a house for 14K crowns (-+100 euros) and then only slotting 300 items in it (if not subbed during purchase)
So essentially over 100 euros if you sub again (wow -> doesn't matter if you sub saved, it's the same!)
*makes me shiver* This is really greedy, I'm sorry.1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Imagine buying a house for 14K crowns (-+100 euros) and then only slotting 300 items in it (if not subbed during purchase)
So essentially over 100 euros if you sub again (wow -> doesn't matter if you sub saved, it's the same!)
*makes me shiver* This is really greedy, I'm sorry.
/shrug
There hasn't been one in awhile, but I decorated out my big houses during ESO+ trial weeks. Or I could sub for a single month and do them all (alongside craft bag, doing any DLC I don't have, dying outfits, etc... so I couldn't really say that I spent $14 to decorate my house, since that's just a small part of it.)
But yeah, I agree that the 12k+ crown houses are crazy expensive. I'd never buy one (I have some of the gold-purchased big houses, and the free giveaway ones)1 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Extra furnishing slots are one of the perks of subscribing. Selling these separately is a bad idea because it would diminish the value of a subscription.PCNA0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We cannot buy furnishing slot upgrades because Zenimax does not sell them.
Of course, their reasoning for the furnishing limit plays a big role in that.0 -
Androrix✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Extra furnishing slots are one of the perks of subscribing. Selling these separately is a bad idea because it would diminish the value of a subscription.
Yes, you are right. That said 300 for a largish house is low. Perhaps non subscribers could buy up to 100 more slots and that would still be 200 less than subscribers. Housing is part of the base game too.
Totally get your point though.0 -
SilverBride✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Extra furnishing slots are one of the perks of subscribing. Selling these separately is a bad idea because it would diminish the value of a subscription.
Yes, you are right. That said 300 for a largish house is low. Perhaps non subscribers could buy up to 100 more slots and that would still be 200 less than subscribers. Housing is part of the base game too.
Totally get your point though.
Selling slots to nonsubscribers would diminish their worth as an ESO+ perk, even if it's just 100.
I understand that players want double housing slots and double storage and the crafting bag and some of the other perks of ESO+ because I wanted these things, too. So I subscribed.PCNA0 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can't buy ESO+ perks a la carte for the same reason you can't buy The Mandalorian a la carte from Disney+, or Game of Thrones a la carte from HBO+. It might make sense in a purely logical/mathematical sense, but businesses generally don't like to give away the most popular parts of a subscription service at a discount compared to the subscription itself. The most popular parts of a subscription service are there to sell the subscription.1 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »Extra furnishing slots are one of the perks of subscribing. Selling these separately is a bad idea because it would diminish the value of a subscription.
Yes, you are right. That said 300 for a largish house is low. Perhaps non subscribers could buy up to 100 more slots and that would still be 200 less than subscribers. Housing is part of the base game too.
Totally get your point though.
Selling slots to nonsubscribers would diminish their worth as an ESO+ perk, even if it's just 100.
I understand that players want double housing slots and double storage and the crafting bag and some of the other perks of ESO+ because I wanted these things, too. So I subscribed.
It could easily be devised so ESO+ still provided double the slots for those that are purchased.
But this is not relevant to the reason why Zenimax does not sell slots to start with as they have made clear why the caps have remained where they are. Until that is addressed the cap seems very firm.0 -
SirGabenOfSteamia✭✭✭✭Fargrave is an area so full of miscellaneous items and assets everywhere that I kind of find it hard to believe that the cap still cannot be raised. The obvious difference is that Fargrave is much bigger than most houses, but even when right in the middle of the markets, the performance of the game doesn't deteriorate at all.And so, Akatosh revealed himself to a young Gaben, and granted him purpose.
"Grant them Steam sales," he commanded.
And obey, he did.0 -
Androrix✭✭✭✭SilverBride wrote: »Selling slots to nonsubscribers would diminish their worth as an ESO+ perk, even if it's just 100.
I understand that players want double housing slots and double storage and the crafting bag and some of the other perks of ESO+ because I wanted these things, too. So I subscribed.
For some reason I feel differently about furnishing slots than I do about all the other eso+ perks. As I said, housing is a part of the base game so the house shouldn't feel empty, otherwise that aspect of the game is underwelming. I don't need double the furnishing limit, but some available increase would be appreciated. I guess the good news is that discovering the limit stopped me going comepletely crazy in the crown furnishing store. Though I did go a little crazy lol.
Just out of interest, if you cease your subscription, does half your furniture disappear? Curious how that works.0 -
freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!1