fiftypercentgrey wrote: »

There should definitely be some kind of validation or DPS/HPS/DMG mitigation check for the roles in veteran mode. There should also be at least one successful playthrough of the dungeon in normal mode.

I usually play tank and in 50% of my random dungeon runs there is at least 1 DD who doesn't know any mechanics, has no DPS to speak of and can't or won't read or write or interact with the group at all. Basically, dead weight or (with some boss mechanics) the reason why the group wipes or why it takes AGES.

I am totally willing to explain mechanics and be patient. But in these cases... ugh. I would be helpful if player could not play veteran if they aren't dungeon running veterans.

I'm not sure that requiring players to have run thru a dungeon on normal will provide any assurance that they are even aware that mechanics exist. Many normal dungeons can be run thru with sheer DPS replacing the mechanics. The mechanics don't even have a chance to spawn sometimes. This is especially true for base game.

So you don't want players to actually be challenged. You want them to have the gear/rotation required to make it basically farm mode.

And as was pointed out you can't learn easily doing normals, mechanics are just brute forced so often.

I say stop thinking that everyone plays the game the way you do and/or for the same reasons. Playing vet content while challenging is just fine, as is farming. If you pug you get the whole spectrum. Deal with it gracefully or don't pug.

New players come into the game all the time which is something so many forget. I played at release in this mmo and several others, and what I always say is think back to what that was like. That's how it is for the average new player. They don't read forums or practice on dummies or read guides. By definition that's hardcore players. Hardcore players severely underestimate the amount of time this all takes. Like a comment in our guild chat the other day someone said well most players run trials. Unfortunately a huge majority of hardcore players are really that out of touch with how average players play the game.

If you are reading this you are a hardcore player, by definition.

The day the designers cater only to us, is the day this game dies in a fire.

So be thankful when you see people without a clue trying hard content. That's a good thing big picture.

This is one of the reasons why I solo stuff.