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Why arent you addressing that most of the botting is occurring due to game scripting for addons
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Drachenmutter✭✭✭Most hacks and also bots are running under Linux!
Look their and you will find them!Edited by Drachenmutter on May 1, 2014 7:38AM0 -
Draxinusom✭✭✭Drachenmutter wrote: »Most hacks and also bots are running under Linux!
Look their and you will find them!
Citation needed.
Seriously, you make very broad statements. "Most X are running under linux". Did you read that in your evening newspaper? Even if it WERE true, can you provide even the littlest evidence of this? No? Then why did you write it? Should we take this for granted because the very famous Drachenmutter wrote it?
Look, I'm not only a Senior Linux System Enigneer, I also have a master in Comp-Sci, worked over a decade as a programmer in a very reputable software development company and have very intricated knowledge in many languages. I spent 4 hours yesterday fixing a lua-c interface class someone provided on github because it was broken exactly in functionality I needed and I had to debug down to the stack level interaction between the two languages. But this is the internet and I could be lying to you and just making things up. Like you just did with the quoted text above.
This is an open forum and you're free to write whatever you like, as long as it conforms to the ToS/Community guidelines, but I'm really interested why you spew completely wrong and opinionated tidbits on stuff you either have no firm grasp of, or just want to cause more confusion and influence people with similar weak knowledge with weird notions.
Linux has literally nothing to do with game bots, especially not as long as game clients almost exclusively run only on Windows (and sometimes on Mac). It's easiest to just manipulate them where they run. And yes I know what wine (on Linux is) it doesn't change a thing.
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ShintaiDK✭✭✭I use addons myself. But the concept of addons is simply terrible.
ESO should essentially just implement whatever good addons there is a year ahead or something and then close the API.1 -
Blackwolfe5✭✭✭Having the ability to customize your UI and have the information in the game presented to you in a way you like, or hide if you wish.. is terrible?
On the contrary, it adds value to the experience in my opinion.0 -
ShintaiDK✭✭✭Blackwolfe5 wrote: »Having the ability to customize your UI and have the information in the game presented to you in a way you like, or hide if you wish.. is terrible?
On the contrary, it adds value to the experience in my opinion.
The point was that it opens up a huge option of exploits that is already being abused. It can also add extensive server loads that leads to lag.
The API if anything should be read only.
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭LOTRO has an add-on api that allows stuff that would make people here cry yet you can play for years and not see a bot doing anything more annoying than growing potatoes.
It's nothing to do with api's. It's to do with a game design that basically opens the door and rolls out the welcome mat for botters.
It was obvious that this was the case in beta and at the time I assumed they must therefore have developed solid systems to prevent the obvious happening with fixed respawn nodes and infinitely lootable bosses.
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An Addon should not add any inputs to a game, it can monitor what's going on, and modify what you see (FOV addon), but should not alter what's happening, or activate any ablities or make move or any actions of any sort.WhiteQueen wrote: »2) Can we get a definitive mod post on the difference between third-party bot hacks and API add-ons? Because some people apparently cannot comprehend the difference.
I would like to see an official list of approved and banned addons though, and make it a sticky at the top of the addons forum, so people can constantly check it, and suggest new addons for inclusion or banning.
Nice idea, but new addons are always being invented, and to say we can't have because it was invented after a cut-off date would annoy peopleI use addons myself. But the concept of addons is simply terrible.
ESO should essentially just implement whatever good addons there is a year ahead or something and then close the API.
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Blackwolfe5✭✭✭Again, the issue of bots and exploits have nothing to do with addons.
Sure, if there is a flaw in the api that an addon exploits, then fine. It should be plugged and not abused just like any other exploit. Which is also why you should not download addons from shady sites.Edited by Blackwolfe5 on May 1, 2014 9:02AM0 -
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✭The point was that it opens up a huge option of exploits that is already being abused. It can also add extensive server loads that leads to lag.
The API if anything should be read only.
Except it doesn't so people need to stop spreading that misinformation.☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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Drachenmutter✭✭✭
I am not agree, what ever you said. Linux brought down many kinds, so go now and leave me allone, you arean Lier!Draxinusom wrote: »Drachenmutter wrote: »Most hacks and also bots are running under Linux!
Look their and you will find them!
Citation needed.
Seriously, you make very broad statements. "Most X are running under linux". Did you read that in your evening newspaper? Even if it WERE true, can you provide even the littlest evidence of this? No? Then why did you write it? Should we take this for granted because the very famous Drachenmutter wrote it?
Look, I'm not only a Senior Linux System Enigneer, I also have a master in Comp-Sci, worked over a decade as a programmer in a very reputable software development company and have very intricated knowledge in many languages. I spent 4 hours yesterday fixing a lua-c interface class someone provided on github because it was broken exactly in functionality I needed and I had to debug down to the stack level interaction between the two languages. But this is the internet and I could be lying to you and just making things up. Like you just did with the quoted text above.
This is an open forum and you're free to write whatever you like, as long as it conforms to the ToS/Community guidelines, but I'm really interested why you spew completely wrong and opinionated tidbits on stuff you either have no firm grasp of, or just want to cause more confusion and influence people with similar weak knowledge with weird notions.
Linux has literally nothing to do with game bots, especially not as long as game clients almost exclusively run only on Windows (and sometimes on Mac). It's easiest to just manipulate them where they run. And yes I know what wine (on Linux is) it doesn't change a thing.
Edited by Drachenmutter on May 1, 2014 9:11AM4 -
Draxinusom✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »I would like to see an official list of approved and banned addons though, and make it a sticky at the top of the addons forum, so people can constantly check it, and suggest new addons for inclusion or banning.
This is kind of a non-sensical suggestion. The Addon API is 100% controlled by ZOS. All addons are at all times allowed, there are no banned ones. If there is functionality that ZOS does not want, the coresponding functions get restricted or removed. This has already happened at least once.
Addons are at any one time 100% under ZOS control and subject to ZOS implemented limitations. They are scripts that run in a sandboxed, specifically created and controlled envrionment by ZOS.
Hacks, cheats and exploits are external programs that are under no limit and no control of ZOS. Thus, both things, addons and hacks/bot programs have little to zero overlap and proposed solutions for one of these have little to no effect to the other.
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How can you say you agree or not agree when you seemingly have no idea what he said in the first place? Let's face it, you are either simply trolling or actually do not know enough about the subject to make a proper educated comment about it.The madness that stalks from the shrouds....0 -
Draxinusom✭✭✭Drachenmutter wrote: »I am not agree, what ever you said. Linux brought down many kinds, so go now and leave me allone, you arean Lier!
Thank you for the extremely well thought out post, supported by much evidence (for the claims) and facts.
Vielen Dank für das sehr durchdachte Posting, das mit vielen Belegen (für die Behauptungen) und Fakten unterlegt wurde.0 -
Blackwolfe5✭✭✭I'm starting to question if this Drachenmutter is serious (and thus seemingly lack any sort of common sense) or just trolling. Oh wait, that was pretty much what you just said Ryan :PEdited by Blackwolfe5 on May 1, 2014 9:15AM0
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If there are no Banned Addons, why did it take over ten days for them to say the FOV addon wouldn't get you banned?Draxinusom wrote: »This is kind of a non-sensical suggestion. The Addon API is 100% controlled by ZOS. All addons are at all times allowed, there are no banned ones.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Dante_Marquis wrote: »If you need Add ons then stop playing MMOs you are no gamer....My wife and I are old school we don't need any mod to help us play and never well..by the Goddess the Kids these days. You mean to tell me that you need an add on to hold your hand and play the game for you?? because that is what you are doing.
Well your wife and you need to come out of the stone age then. I use some add on's because they make pointless manual work go away, like the add on which allows me to see quickly what traits on items I still need to research and which ones I have already researched. I did it manually before that add on and it made me want to quit the game. Sure, I wouldn't use such an add on at all if the game itself had some system like this, but it doesn't. I don't mind game UI being minimalistic as long as it has a good utility and many useful functions but sadly this isn't the case either, UI is minimal in every sense.0 -
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✭AlexDougherty wrote: »If there are no Banned Addons, why did it take over ten days for them to say the FOV addon wouldn't get you banned?
....because the fov mod isn't an addon...
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Drachenmutter✭✭✭Most uknown Programms are going under Linux, since 20 years.
Take it or take it not!
First i saw thas the speed hack, afterwrads a linuyprogramm, who showes anemieson the map and so on, kiss my ass!
No one realy needs you, because of long writing textes. You see, you are nothing, bla, bla and Laufgings!Edited by Drachenmutter on May 1, 2014 9:24AM3 -
Draxinusom✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »
If there are no Banned Addons, why did it take over ten days for them to say the FOV addon wouldn't get you banned?Draxinusom wrote: »This is kind of a non-sensical suggestion. The Addon API is 100% controlled by ZOS. All addons are at all times allowed, there are no banned ones.
Addons are LUA scripts, they are not executables. They are interpreted by the the games' built in LUA interpreter.
The "FOV addon" is a misnomer. Someone called it that but it is actually a .exe file, so it's an executable that interacts with the ESO.exe process; the same thing that a cheat/hack does so the question "does this get me banned" is a genuine concern as using this might be indistinguishable (from a process / counter hack system's) point of view.
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Brainzee✭Drachenmutter wrote: »Most uknown Programms are going under Linux, since 20 years.
Take it or take it not!
First i saw thas the speed hack, afterwrads a linuyprogramm, who showes anemieson the map and so on, kiss my ass!
I also heard you can run a spellchecker under Linux.
No matter, extremely valuable post, Linux is the obvious devil because it can run bot programs, a thing that other operating system obviously are not capable of.
Thanks a lot for the input.
Internet, land of the free.
Also, after all these years and the many online games, people still can't make the difference between game add-ons and bots, not sure which fits best, amazing or appalling.Edited by Brainzee on May 1, 2014 9:32AM2 -
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Ok, that makes sense, and was what was throwing me.Draxinusom wrote: »Addons are LUA scripts, they are not executables. They are interpreted by the the games' built in LUA interpreter.
The "FOV addon" is a misnomer. Someone called it that but it is actually a .exe file, so it's an executable that interacts with the ESO.exe process; the same thing that a cheat/hack does so the question "does this get me banned" is a genuine concern as using this might be indistinguishable (from a process / counter hack system's) point of view.
People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
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Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use addons as well
spam filter: so I dont see gold spammers
foundry tactical: so I can see my buffs/debuffs even the onces that are less then 30 sec
Sous Chef: I just need to put my arrow over my mats to see if I have the reciipe to use it for and which one it is
makes the game more fun for me, and if ESO really didnt want us to use addons, they wont had made it a feature in the game that noticeable
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Squishy✭✭✭I'd like to shamelessly sponsor my guide on dealing with bots, so far, silence from Zeni, so I'm assuming they're turning a blind eye to it
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/78324/how-to-deal-with-the-infamous-bots#latest"In 2014, a possible bot was sent to coldharbour by a military GM for a crime she didn't commit. This argonian promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Ebonheart underground. Today, still wanted by the developers she survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a bot problem, if no one else can bite you, and if you can find her....maybe you can hire The SQUISHY."0 -
Drachenmutter✭✭✭Linuxoverwrites it all and cant not so easyly detected, because you are not looking for.
Linux overwrites your sripts and i guess also your programs, get them out by understanding, so you have one problem less.Edited by Drachenmutter on May 1, 2014 9:39AM1 -
Draxinusom✭✭✭Drachenmutter wrote: »Linuxoverwrites it all and cant not so easyly detected, because you are not looking for.
Show us on this doll here where Linux touched you.
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Brainzee✭Draxinusom wrote: »Drachenmutter wrote: »Linuxoverwrites it all and cant not so easyly detected, because you are not looking for.
Show us on this doll here where Linux touched you.
Is the doll anatomically correct?2 -
Draxinusom✭✭✭It's a gender neutral one, if that's what you actually are asking.
EDIT: Yes, server still down... I'm sure it's because they run on linux.Edited by Draxinusom on May 1, 2014 9:49AM0 -
Brainzee✭Draxinusom wrote: »It's a gender neutral one, if that's what you actually are asking.
What a relief, thank you.Draxinusom wrote: »EDIT: Yes, server still down... I'm sure it's because they run on linux.
What else could it be?0 -
Drachenmutter✭✭✭You will find it out, time by time. Or should i say 5 Millions are enough,guess you find it out, money is not the kind of sucesdfull live. Isn`t it!?
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