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Tried the new card game.
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ZOS_KevinCommunity Manager@Belegnole, just to clarify here, you do not need to engage with Tales of Tribute if you choose not to. If you do not want to partake in playing Tales of Tribute, you just don't need to accept the questline that starts off Tales of Tribute.Community Manager for ZeniMax Online Studio and Elder Scrolls OnlineDev Tracker | Service Alerts | ESO Twitter5 -
Belegnole✭✭✭✭✭@Belegnole, just to clarify here, you do not need to engage with Tales of Tribute if you choose not to. If you do not want to partake in playing Tales of Tribute, you just don't need to accept the questline that starts off Tales of Tribute.
Kevin, ZOS is well know for hiding items behind "content". The idea that the same will not happen here is a bit hard to believe. If what you say remains true it would be nice.13 -
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✭✭100% RNG, no skill involved.
Same as Hearthstone and all the rest, you just need to know the cards and pray for luck, at "high" ranks you end up with who gets the card they want first.
Only the P2W is missing, but guess we will see some of it eventually too.
Shame.
Anybody who says any TCG or card game for that matter is 100% RNG has no clue what they are talking about. You probably think Poker is mostly luck when in reality it's almost 100% skill.4 -
Mythgard1967✭✭✭✭✭@Belegnole, just to clarify here, you do not need to engage with Tales of Tribute if you choose not to. If you do not want to partake in playing Tales of Tribute, you just don't need to accept the questline that starts off Tales of Tribute.
Kevin, ZOS is well know for hiding items behind "content". The idea that the same will not happen here is a bit hard to believe. If what you say remains true it would be nice.
Pretty sure every game is known for hiding items behind content...that is the point!
ZOS is pretty good about only putting cosmetic or furniture items behind optional systems though. If the cosmetic items or the furniture items are that important to you, then yes...you will likely need to play the content.
That is pretty much how MMO's; or even most ARPGs work.4 -
Marginis✭✭✭✭✭Well, so long as this is just a minigame inside the larger game of ESO, I think I'll survive. I mean, unless this card game plays an integral role in the plot, I'll treat it on the same level of gameplay as antiquities or fishing (that is to say, completely optional and not necessary in the slightest for my enjoyment of ESO).
Would be nice to improve if it sucks, but it's probably best to offer some specific solutions instead of just saying it sucks then. Either way, it's not like they don't have time to work on it. I'm sure that it'll be at least as fun as fishing eventually, even if it isn't now.@Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.0 -
DagenHawk✭✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »That is the case with every card game, isn’t it?
I am not in favour of Tales of Tribute, nor am I experienced in similar TCGs. But I mean, from UNO to Poker, from ToT to Gwent, from Pokemon to Magic the Gathering. Isnt the luck of the draw a deterministic factor?
Your comment reads like “who ever is lucky enough to draw the right card first has better chances!” yeah, I mean, it’s a card game after all. Or am I missing something?
Depends on the game really. There is luck and then there is "luck". In most TCGs you can take steps in your deck crafting to increase your luck.
There is no deck to build, that's the thing.CyberOnEso wrote: »Compared to games like Hearthstone or MTG, where you cannot see your opponents deck in advance in this game you can and that's a fundamental difference.
In those games your opponent could draw anything, in this game you know exactly what your opponent can draw and those that use that knowledge to their advange will win more often.
In Hearthstone/ MTG the player with the best deck is more likely to win. In this game the player that makes the best decisions in the game is more likely to win. And it is a massive challenge to know what the best decision is as there are a lot of factors that go into that decision such as:- What is my next hand likely to look like?
- What is my opponents hand likely to look like?
- What do our decks look like, how much do they value a card in the tavern vs how much I value the card?
- How can I influence what my deck will look like in the future? Is this a good time to remove cards to provide me with stronger hands later in the game?
- Should I sacrifice cards now or wait until later, how close is my opponent to victory?
- Am I likely to get higher gold generating turns later in the game? Is this the correct time to use the crow? How much gold is my opponent likely to generate? Is it worth giving them the power to use the crow twice?
- Is it worth drawing another card? How likely am I to recieve a card that combos with what I have already played or should I wait and guarantee a combo on the next turn?
- Should I upgrade gold now or take from the tavern? How likely is it my opponent will have enough gold to take the card from the tavern instead?
- Should I kill their agent now or build prestige? How likely is it they will combo their agent on their next turn?
And then you add the complexity of influencing future hands via Celarus/ Ansei cards.
Putting curse cards in your opponents deck with Rhajin, whos value depends on how many cards your opponent has as putting curse cards in smaller decks is more impactful than putting curse cards in larger decks.
Saying this game has no skill involved, in my opinion, just shows a lack of understanding of how the game works.
It's understandable considering the game has only been on the PTS for four weeks, I certainly still don't understand everything and I doubt anyone will for quite some time.
My fear when it was being explained that it might be a bit complex for most of the players....it seems I was right.
I played my first few games and it's easy to win...because most folks think it's all RNG lol
It's okay though as Quark says winning is winning.@Belegnole, just to clarify here, you do not need to engage with Tales of Tribute if you choose not to. If you do not want to partake in playing Tales of Tribute, you just don't need to accept the questline that starts off Tales of Tribute.
If you don't like it don't play confirmed!Edited by DagenHawk on May 11, 2022 4:15PM1 -
HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip✭✭✭✭Tried it on the PTS. As a generally no sound player, I was so confused and thought it was bugged...then when I realised I just needed tp turn subtitles on like I have on live.....so I tried it again. Turns out it wasn't confusing and bugged, it was just slow, boring, and....still a bit confusing.
Such a boring distraction. Such off-pattern content. Not fun. (in my humble but loud opinion as always
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DagenHawk✭✭✭✭✭HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip wrote: »Tried it on the PTS. As a generally no sound player, I was so confused and thought it was bugged...then when I realised I just needed tp turn subtitles on like I have on live.....so I tried it again. Turns out it wasn't confusing and bugged, it was just slow, boring, and....still a bit confusing.
Such a boring distraction. Such off-pattern content. Not fun. (in my humble but loud opinion as always )
Right...I did a watch party with a bunch of friends during the reveal...not one of us could comprehend what the dude was talking about and the average IQ in the room wasn't too shabby (mine being the lowest of course) if you can't explain it without showing it you have a issue.
They should of thought about that. I'm going to enjoy it...of course I enjoy advanced squad leader and Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective games...I also like to slam my hand with a hammer.
On launch I think we are going to have a lot of confused people...and not to sound crass, but that's probably why they haven't monetized it.1 -
DagenHawk✭✭✭✭✭Veinblood1965 wrote: »Can't ZoS just steal Gwent from The Witcher? That I liked!
Sure..the law suit would be epic and everyone that hates Zenimax anyway would howl about the unoriginal content.
look TES Legends was a critical hit; everyone sang it's praises to the heavens....no one bought card packs though and the game ceased development.
Never the less it is still (arguably) a very good game. That is what game development boils down to...you can have the best product ever and still lose your shirt.1 -
Sarousse42✭✭✭@Belegnole, just to clarify here, you do not need to engage with Tales of Tribute if you choose not to. If you do not want to partake in playing Tales of Tribute, you just don't need to accept the questline that starts off Tales of Tribute.
And this is exactly why I (and a lot of people) won't buy your expansion. You didn't add anything worth buying it beside a this unmandatory card game.
Bad move ZoS, bad move.4 -
Marginis✭✭✭✭✭Sarousse42 wrote: »@Belegnole, just to clarify here, you do not need to engage with Tales of Tribute if you choose not to. If you do not want to partake in playing Tales of Tribute, you just don't need to accept the questline that starts off Tales of Tribute.
And this is exactly why I (and a lot of people) won't buy your expansion. You didn't add anything worth buying it beside a this unmandatory card game.
Bad move ZoS, bad move.
Worth it to you maybe. There are plenty of other things included with High Isle that a lot of players will enjoy, completely separate of a single new minigame. And from everything I know, those players far outnumber those that will skip the DLC just because it includes something they don't particularly care about.@Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.4 -
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✭✭I expect they add enough OP sets and antiquities to sell it at least to people who deeply care about that kind of thing and have more stuff to nerf for next year. To be seen if the the card game really is optional unlike antiquities.
For example a lead for some broken mythic part behind the card game would make it not truly optional.Edited by rpa on May 11, 2022 6:33PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Belegnole, just to clarify here, you do not need to engage with Tales of Tribute if you choose not to. If you do not want to partake in playing Tales of Tribute, you just don't need to accept the questline that starts off Tales of Tribute.
Kevin, ZOS is well know for hiding items behind "content". The idea that the same will not happen here is a bit hard to believe. If what you say remains true it would be nice.
"If what you say remains true"? He said you don't have to play Tales of Tribute if you don't want to. He did not say anything at all about whether or not any "items" are "hidden behind" Tales of Tribute.
ZOS has already made it clear, I thought, that there will be a variety of rewards from playing Tales of Tribute. If you don't want any of those rewards, great-- don't play Tales of Tribute. If you do want some of those rewards, then of course you'll need to play Tales of Tribute.
How is that any different frim any other rewards in the game? Want PvP-related rewards? Then play PvP. Want trials-related rewards? Then do trials. Want Antiquity-related rewards? Then do Antiquities. Everything in the game is your choice whether or not to engage with it, depending on whether or not you want the rewards that come from it.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!4 -
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✭✭✭A card game I won't play, a companion I won't get, a zone that looks like Summerset without the sparkle, and a very short main story that ends abruptly as if it wasn't really finished.
I deleted the PTS early because of an Explorer exe. bug that disappears your desktop and haven't missed it or seeing the new area once.
Hope next year is better if I'm still here.3 -
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✭Veinblood1965 wrote: »Can't ZoS just steal Gwent from The Witcher? That I liked!
Gwent sucked. I even downloaded a mod that allowed me to instantly win any Gwent game, just so I wouldn't have to play it.5 -
DagenHawk✭✭✭✭✭shadyjane62 wrote: »A card game I won't play, a companion I won't get, a zone that looks like Summerset without the sparkle, and a very short main story that ends abruptly as if it wasn't really finished.
I deleted the PTS early because of an Explorer exe. bug that disappears your desktop and haven't missed it or seeing the new area once.
Hope next year is better if I'm still here.
See I detested Summerset...I was reduced to being some errand boy in the battle to stop the evil "Supremist" all while being clubbed overt the head with the +1 shillelagh morality.
And if I complained I was considered nay Flat out told on more than one occasion that I was morally bankrupt...
Every single expansion since then has been quantifiably better in ever single way, and if Zenimax ever strays back into such despondent statesmanship again I certainly won't be here.
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Commandment✭✭✭RNG in a TCG? Thats unheard off!
The only thing that ToT did bad was not be an implementation of Legends. They literally had a card game to just import, same people will complain about x, or ZOS is lazy ect. The game will keep moving forward. Instead we get around 8 premade decks and people just choose 2 of each. This is going to be bad, because people are going to end up picking the same 4 decks all the time. ~ The meta~1 -
LoneStar2911✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »
I could be wrong, but I think they meant the card game.(PC-NA) @LoneStar29114 -
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That just isn't happening, and there is no reason as to why that will happen, because the four decks are merged form the tavern.Commandment wrote: »Instead we get around 8 premade decks and people just choose 2 of each. This is going to be bad, because people are going to end up picking the same 4 decks all the time. ~ The meta~
If you choose the 'best' two decks you're just giving your opponent those same cards. If you choose the 'worse' two decks you're just giving yourself those same cards.
The best deck picks you can make are the decks that you are individually most familar with and have interesting strategies that you know how to pull off with the deck that you/ your opponent chose.
If your opponent chooses the Red Eagle you may wish to choose the Rajin deck as that deck is a great counter to smaller decks.
If your opponent chooses the Rajin deck you may wish to choose the Moamer deck as that patron benefits from you having a large deck.
In truth the decks picks aren't too relevant in terms of winning the match, it's probably the least impactful decision you do make. But, what it does it keep the game fresh by allowing you to always have different cards to adapt your strategies around.
@CyberOnEso PC | EU - Jack of all Trades - Armory Style Manager Planesbreaker | Godslayer | Dawnbringer | Immortal Redeemer | Tick Tock Tormentor | Gryphon Heart1 -
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✭✭Pure skill card games (or games in general) suck for the vast majority of people, because they'll never beat someone better, having a chance to beat a better player is part of the thrill but evens out over a large number of games.1 -
Bigmatt2✭✭✭LoneStar2911 wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »
I could be wrong, but I think they meant the card game.
Correct, what is the reward for winning the card game?0 -
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✭✭I'm remembering back from the stream, so I don't know all of the rewards but they included gold and transmute crystals. I think you get a reward bag so there are probably other bits and bobs in there tooSoupy twist0 -
DagenHawk✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »I want to play an MMO, not a CCG!
Ummm ESO isn't a MMO
Even the devs said so
You don't have to play it..it's one of those optional things
But we all can still be friends.
Edited by DagenHawk on May 12, 2022 5:10PM0 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »I want to play an MMO, not a CCG!
Ummm ESO isn't a MMO
Even the devs said so
You don't have to play it..it's one of those optional things
But we all can still be friends.
It's irrelevant what marketing says half the time, they say a lot of things to create sales, and that was said to bring in the Elder Scrolls fans of the single player rpg. Unfortunately we live in a time of make-believe-land to accommodate those that choose not to live in reality, "I think X is true, it must be!"... and it's not, from politics, people, & even video games.
ESO is 100% a mmorpg.
That said, it will be interesting to see where this card game is next year. I wouldn't be surprised if the player to player pool will be so small that pve will eventually be the main option, with small updates mostly added to CS and crates.
Idk how presales are doing of course, but zos sure is investing a lot of time pushing news articles out. Almost two a week pop-up on eso news.Edited by Wolfpaw on May 12, 2022 8:21PM3 -
DagenHawk✭✭✭✭✭FlopsyPrince wrote: »I want to play an MMO, not a CCG!
Ummm ESO isn't a MMO
Even the devs said so
You don't have to play it..it's one of those optional things
But we all can still be friends.
It's irrelevant what marketing says half the time, they say a lot of things to create sales, and that was said to bring in the Elder Scrolls fans of the single player rpg. Unfortunately we live in a time of make-believe-land to accommodate those that choose not to live in reality, "I think X is true, it must be!"... and it's not, from politics, people, & even video games.
ESO is 100% a mmorpg.
That said, it will be interesting to see where this card game is next year. I wouldn't be surprised if the player to player pool will be so small that pve will eventually be the main option, with small updates mostly added to CS and crates.
Idk how presales are doing of course, but zos sure is investing a lot of time pushing news articles out. Almost two a week pop-up on eso news.
You know what you could be right about it being a 100% a mmo
That isn't what you need to ask yourself...
Ask yourself why marketing is running away like a Jack Rabbit on speed from the term MMO?
Saying it's because some of those other devs have given the hobby a bad name is too easy...
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