FeedbackOnly wrote: »

I personally think warden healers have been Overally buffed last 2 patches.

Don't forget there's lots of shades of wardens. What's working and what's not working.

Who did this change benefit? Did it reach intended target? Was the change to little or too much? How is it comparing to others with that role?.

How?

I'm sorry, but I think you have some clear bias against Warden Healers for some reason, I know you want Sorc healers to be better and thats fine, as a Sorc main I do too, but it doesn't mean other classes, including Warden don't need improvements. It's important to keep an open mind, other classes aren't standing in your way and every class needs adjustments to some degree (except DK lol).

Regardless, the improvements most of us are complaining about during the PTS are directed at Warden's offensive kit, not their healing kit.

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

I personally think warden healers have been Overally buffed last 2 patches.

Don't forget there's lots of shades of wardens. What's working and what's not working.

Who did this change benefit? Did it reach intended target? Was the change to little or too much? How is it comparing to others with that role?.

How?

I'm sorry, but I think you have some clear bias against Warden Healers for some reason, I know you want Sorc healers to be better and thats fine, as a Sorc main I do too, but it doesn't mean other classes, including Warden don't need improvements. It's important to keep an open mind, other classes aren't standing in your way and every class needs adjustments to some degree (except DK lol).

Regardless, the improvements most of us are complaining about during the PTS are directed at Warden's offensive kit, not their healing kit.

What class is always required for end game trials as healer in game groups?

Their requirements isn't with reason.

It's not bias when it's simple facts.

that is probably because of the minor toughness buff, not for really any other warden skill

just like necros are included in comps due to major vulnerability (although there are more sources of that now such as turning tide)

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

I personally think warden healers have been Overally buffed last 2 patches.

Don't forget there's lots of shades of wardens. What's working and what's not working.

Who did this change benefit? Did it reach intended target? Was the change to little or too much? How is it comparing to others with that role?.

How?

I'm sorry, but I think you have some clear bias against Warden Healers for some reason, I know you want Sorc healers to be better and thats fine, as a Sorc main I do too, but it doesn't mean other classes, including Warden don't need improvements. It's important to keep an open mind, other classes aren't standing in your way and every class needs adjustments to some degree (except DK lol).

Regardless, the improvements most of us are complaining about during the PTS are directed at Warden's offensive kit, not their healing kit.

What class is always required for end game trials as healer in game groups?

Their requirements isn't with reason.

It's not bias when it's simple facts.

that is probably because of the minor toughness buff, not for really any other warden skill

just like necros are included in comps due to major vulnerability (although there are more sources of that now such as turning tide)

It's not just that.

It's minor vulnerability, high hps, easier ability to kite, they also have next patch a lot of status effects, they also get mending ability, a synergy on healing skill, unpopular support skill

There's no wrong with, but it is fact they are the best healing class. In fact go to combat section. The people vote warden as best healing class

Now I came to this thread to say it's not just about warden dps nor just frost DPS. See how each warden changed affects a different section of warden

I'm really crossing my fingers for Week 4. They better at least address SOMETHING. Or I'm gonna start throwing Bird Plushies at their Offices or something.

ColoniaCroisant wrote: »

I know they aren't ever going ot give us spell crafting back, but couldn't they idk make some new skill lines for mages? Add back in the classic schools like destruction, conjuration, restoration that sorta thing so that we can accentuate our classes better. This way we frost wardens can have an increase in damage for frost magic but also get new spells that don't take away from whatever vision ZOS has for wardens. I know it was made long ago but there still must be some sort of code laying around. Best of both worlds

What vision for wardens?

Mr_Stach wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ColoniaCroisant wrote: »

I know they aren't ever going ot give us spell crafting back, but couldn't they idk make some new skill lines for mages? Add back in the classic schools like destruction, conjuration, restoration that sorta thing so that we can accentuate our classes better. This way we frost wardens can have an increase in damage for frost magic but also get new spells that don't take away from whatever vision ZOS has for wardens. I know it was made long ago but there still must be some sort of code laying around. Best of both worlds

What vision for wardens?

nice joke.

Mr_Stach wrote: »

I mean that's the thing. Frost Warden seems like a Joke.

When Zos does any patches, the Developer Notes try to talk about their standards or vision on balance.

I honestly want to know Zos' vision for Warden. Because right now it's all over the place.

I'd love to know their vision for at least magicka warden. Since it seems like they're going into bleeds with stamden which is cool.

Do they ever even reply to anything anymore on the PTS forums?

My main is a warden, i played it excitedly ever since it came out, but i really hate the changes and failures this class has, everything from its change of the speed of cliff racer to its lack of CC,
I think a lot of the issues with this class are down to 3 things,

1, there are only 3 class damaging abilities. the rest are utility,

2. betty netch is overloaded,

3. zos dont listen to feedback


This means no matter what style you play your warden you are forced to run betty netch and spam the same 3 skills and not 1 is a hard CC, and for a class that has 12 utility skills you would think some of them would be a decent CC.

The warden is imho balanced in its numbers but very unbalanced in its power distribution.

Looking at the templar for comparison, the first skill line Aedric Spear, 5/5 damaging skills with 2 options for a hard CC.
Dawns wrath 5/5 damaging skills with a CC ( unstable core ) and a class execute.
Healing ritual, no damaging skills but notice how the skill that gives resource recovery is separate to the purge and notice how templars don't even have access to major sorcery / savagery, because of good power distribution.

In the past there have been huge feedback threads left about the warden, pages more than any other classes have had, it seems though that ZOS are not good at implementing ideas from the comunity as ive never seen this happen yet. not just for warden but for any feedback given at all anywhere, (short of an overpowered set discovered and nerfed during on a pts cycle). their comunication isnt a 2 way street and just do what is easy or cheep to do and unfortunatly the warden is a reflection of this.

TLDR the warden needs better power distribution and more class options for CC and more class damaging abilities and zos need to listen to its players.

Week 4 is tomorrow. Still no comment

RevJJ wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Week 4 is tomorrow. Still no comment

Don’t expect one. PTS is PR stuff only so they can pretend to listen to players and claim they communicate.

It’s more than PR, but they’d rather we find bugs than imbalance.

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Well now we have another week to be ignored again, It's not like we haven't been asking for changes for 5 years. What's another 2 right?

i don't know why i keep having hope. i keep saying i'm not expecting anything, but that's not true, i keep trying to hold onto hope that they won't publish this utter crap to live.

I think Permafrost having the stun back would be fine, it's kinda useless otherwise. Northern Storm is supposed to be the "DPS Morph" but it's just not that good. Bear is substantially better, using Northern Storm is a 12k DPS loss.

Personally it bring weaker than bear would be fine if it brought more utility, I'd suggest dropping the Protection for Major Brittle. That would increase the while groups damage and bring something unique for Warden.

I can only assume the lack of meaningful changes (and scarcity of Wardens popping up in the patch notes in general) is because they have bigger plans in the pipeline. Presumably not for High Isle's release though. I agree it would go a long way if they could communicate that though.

Multiple Warden skills have been in a weird place for a long time. ZOS have made significant changes to other classes when skills have gone largely unused by the playerbase, so I have no doubt it's coming for Wardens eventually. The wait is painful though. Until then Frost Warden will remain my weirdly fun solo class, making use of sets like Frozen Watcher coupled with Iceheart, casting Gripping Shards (and Northern Storm if needed), then blocking until everything freezes to death. Absurdly fun in solo content, but I'd never dare take that class fantasy build into any group content Would be great to have a more viable Frost DPS build one day ZOS...