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Mora's Whispers & Sea-Serpent's Coil
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So Mora's Whispers is going to be a BiS set for those that are running 2 crit rate monster sets. Assuming it doesn't get nerfed into the ground, which I can't imagine it will get nerfed so hard that it's out performed by anything but maybe Slimecraw, it'll definitely be this shoulder + a slimecraw helm. It'll help grinding CP as well. I can see it getting entirely changed, though I can't see it being nerfed into obscurity like I believe the Oakensoul Ring will probably be in the future. This shoulder is kind of a given for these crit rate builds, so long as you've been collecting your books.
But what about you magplars out there, what do you think about Sea-Serpent's Coil as a potential 1-piece? I think it will be great unless you're against a boss with a lot of mechanics or one that teleports around often. Probably something to keep alongside mora's whispers and swap to when against a boss. With the charge skill we templars have that got buffed recently, it might also be just good all the time sans bosses with mechanics. Also assuming it doesn't get nerfed into the ground which is possible, but with the benefits of the ring being buffs rather than flat bonuses, i can only see nerfing the item being either 1. lowering the duration of the buffs, 2. increasing strength and/or duration of the snare, or 3. giving it a bad cooldown. Thoughts?
Edited by merpins on April 18, 2022 11:13PM But what about you magplars out there, what do you think about Sea-Serpent's Coil as a potential 1-piece? I think it will be great unless you're against a boss with a lot of mechanics or one that teleports around often. Probably something to keep alongside mora's whispers and swap to when against a boss. With the charge skill we templars have that got buffed recently, it might also be just good all the time sans bosses with mechanics. Also assuming it doesn't get nerfed into the ground which is possible, but with the benefits of the ring being buffs rather than flat bonuses, i can only see nerfing the item being either 1. lowering the duration of the buffs, 2. increasing strength and/or duration of the snare, or 3. giving it a bad cooldown. Thoughts?
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✭I cannot test Mora because templates dont inclue any books, but Serpent Coil seem fun, tho inconsistent. You can get very high uptime either using Vamp toggle, or suicide pots (Sorcery+Magicka+Ravage health) paired with any healing skill for solo or any healer present will reset your health back to full instantly for it to proc again. Also it can potentially free supports from using SPC or Olo. Definitely more flexible than Kilt.
Mora sounds like just free crit without any hassle, should also be very good.2 -
Skullstachio✭✭✭✭✭I think mora's whispers is balanced, both literally and lore wise. Knowledge for Knowledge as is said from the golden eye.
Even if one were to get that mythic, unless you fill in shalidors library (or in some sense get to mages guild level 10 to get max benefit on mora's whispers.) the raw critical chance alone as offensive bonuses go is good on its own while the inspiration, xp, alliance points, etc are purely utility based which have no effect in direct combat and instead help wearers level quicker.
Plus utility wise, there are extremely few players on ESO that are actually max CP outside the PTS cycles and Extremely few grand overlords in PvP Cyrodiil. So if anything, mora's whispers from my perspective are perfect just the way they are and should not be buffed or nerfed in any way, shape or form.If you see me anywhere. Know that I am sitting back with a bag of popcorn, watching as ESO burns the goodwill of its player base with practices that only disrespects the players time like it did to me and many others...
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Mizael✭✭✭✭Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.4 -
kypranb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
As someone with the entire library, I can confirm the entire bonus does work when the library is completed.4 -
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✭Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.3 -
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How many people are going to have a full Shalidor’s Library on a single character? How many will have a full Shalidor’s Library on multiple characters? That’s insane lol. Nty.Ishtarknows wrote: »Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.
Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
Edited by Vaoh on April 22, 2022 12:30AM4 -
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7% crit chance is good, but in group content it does not beat the Kilt with 5% crit chance and 10% crit damage. For solo content it gets passed by Thrassian at about 15 stacks, but MW also doesn't affect survival.
Good set tbh, but I wish lorebooks were account wide to avoid the repetitive grind.3 -
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✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Mora's isn't bad, seems appropriately balanced for having no downside and some utility. Maybe slightly better than a monster set.
7% crit chance is good, but in group content it does not beat the Kilt with 5% crit chance and 10% crit damage. For solo content it gets passed by Thrassian at about 15 stacks, but MW also doesn't affect survival.
Good set tbh, but I wish lorebooks were account wide to avoid the repetitive grind.
It's good, and is a decent replacement for the kilt if you're running Tzogvins on a stam toon, assuming you don't want or need a monster helm set. Tested Coil on my magplar main, and it is... Really really good. For PVE. Not sure if it'll be good for pvp, but PVE it's very strong on a magplar.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Mora's isn't bad, seems appropriately balanced for having no downside and some utility. Maybe slightly better than a monster set.
7% crit chance is good, but in group content it does not beat the Kilt with 5% crit chance and 10% crit damage. For solo content it gets passed by Thrassian at about 15 stacks, but MW also doesn't affect survival.
Good set tbh, but I wish lorebooks were account wide to avoid the repetitive grind.
It's good, and is a decent replacement for the kilt if you're running Tzogvins on a stam toon, assuming you don't want or need a monster helm set. Tested Coil on my magplar main, and it is... Really really good. For PVE. Not sure if it'll be good for pvp, but PVE it's very strong on a magplar.
i found the same thing on sorc. it's very strong. it's basically 5pc sorrow crit on a 1pc item.0 -
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How many people are going to have a full Shalidor’s Library on a single character? How many will have a full Shalidor’s Library on multiple characters? That’s insane lol. Nty.Ishtarknows wrote: »Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.
Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
Hmm... I is confuse.
I have a complete library on 13 characters on my main and 5 on my alt and the other 5 on my main and 3 on my alt are not far off.
I pick up every lorebook while levelling the mages/fighters/psijic/AvA skill lines and picking up skyshards, as does pretty much every person I play with.
In fact 'zone clear events' do crop up in the guild regularly because it can get a bit lonely and grindy otherwise.
You are telling me that you don't do this? But... why? 99% of the lore books are in your path, you have to very much make an effort to NOT pick them up.Edited by ApoAlaia on April 22, 2022 8:04AM2 -
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How many people are going to have a full Shalidor’s Library on a single character? How many will have a full Shalidor’s Library on multiple characters? That’s insane lol. Nty.Ishtarknows wrote: »Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.
Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
Hmm... I is confuse.
I have a complete library on 13 characters on my main and 5 on my alt and the other 5 on my main and 3 on my alt are not far off.
I pick up every lorebook while levelling the mages/fighters/psijic/AvA skill lines and picking up skyshards, as does pretty much every person I play with.
In fact 'zone clear events' do crop up in the guild regularly because it can get a bit lonely and grindy otherwise.
You are telling me that you don't do this? But... why? 99% of the lore books are in your path, you have to very much make an effort to NOT pick them up.
Right? I just download an addon that shows where all the books are, and just take a couple hours running around grabbing them all whenever I make an alt. Takes 2 hours tops, and if you have the mythic ring that increases movement speed, like an hour and a half. AND if your alt is level 3, it'll get a couple levels just for running around, and you'll unlock a ton of wayshrines that help later...
If someone is trying to do it on console, sure it might be harder, but you can still pull up a map on your phone and just follow it. Harder, but I can't see it taking a ton longer either.2 -
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✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Mora's isn't bad, seems appropriately balanced for having no downside and some utility. Maybe slightly better than a monster set.
7% crit chance is good, but in group content it does not beat the Kilt with 5% crit chance and 10% crit damage. For solo content it gets passed by Thrassian at about 15 stacks, but MW also doesn't affect survival.
Good set tbh, but I wish lorebooks were account wide to avoid the repetitive grind.
It just seems to lack a purpose. Kilt is best generally in trials, Coil/DDF in dungeons and Oakensoul when questing. Mora I guess is just best used in trials when you don’t run Kilt?Edited by Runefang on April 22, 2022 9:57AM0 -
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How many people are going to have a full Shalidor’s Library on a single character? How many will have a full Shalidor’s Library on multiple characters? That’s insane lol. Nty.Ishtarknows wrote: »Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.
Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
all my chars are 10/10 mage guild... half of them have quite a few books beyond that....
I like the idea of linking sets to character achieve progress per se.. I just find linking a leveling speed increase set unfortunate...ShutYerTrap (selectively mute NPC dialogues (stuga, companions); displayleads (antiquity leads location); UndauntedPledgeQueuer (small daily undaunted dungeon queuer window)0 -
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✭MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »
How many people are going to have a full Shalidor’s Library on a single character? How many will have a full Shalidor’s Library on multiple characters? That’s insane lol. Nty.Ishtarknows wrote: »Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.
Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
Hmm... I is confuse.
I have a complete library on 13 characters on my main and 5 on my alt and the other 5 on my main and 3 on my alt are not far off.
I pick up every lorebook while levelling the mages/fighters/psijic/AvA skill lines and picking up skyshards, as does pretty much every person I play with.
In fact 'zone clear events' do crop up in the guild regularly because it can get a bit lonely and grindy otherwise.
You are telling me that you don't do this? But... why? 99% of the lore books are in your path, you have to very much make an effort to NOT pick them up.
Right? I just download an addon that shows where all the books are, and just take a couple hours running around grabbing them all whenever I make an alt. Takes 2 hours tops, and if you have the mythic ring that increases movement speed, like an hour and a half. AND if your alt is level 3, it'll get a couple levels just for running around, and you'll unlock a ton of wayshrines that help later...
If someone is trying to do it on console, sure it might be harder, but you can still pull up a map on your phone and just follow it. Harder, but I can't see it taking a ton longer either.
Agreed.
I'm on console and 3 of my characters have a full Shalidors library, 8 of them have less than 20 books needed to fill it and 2 less than 10 needed. The only characters I have that don't have many are stam toons, and even they are level 5+ in mages guild through lorebooks only so again, not too many required should I want them to use the mythic. Doing game content lets you pick these up anyway.0 -
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Please come up with a solution to not having to find every lorebook multiple times over to get use out of whispers.
Was on live this weekend trying to grind lore books and I hated my time in game so much a logged off and did yard work.
The only reason i will buy this Chapter if I buy this Chapter at all will be the mythics and while I appreciate the thought that went into them and the uniqueness of them 297 lorebooks across the six characters I use to play builds I come up with is not a good ask and makes me hate my time in game.
I have several suggestions the easiest being make lorebooks account wide or just make the mythic hold the number of lorebooks of the highest character no matter which character uses the item.
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✭MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »
How many people are going to have a full Shalidor’s Library on a single character? How many will have a full Shalidor’s Library on multiple characters? That’s insane lol. Nty.Ishtarknows wrote: »Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.
Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
Hmm... I is confuse.
I have a complete library on 13 characters on my main and 5 on my alt and the other 5 on my main and 3 on my alt are not far off.
I pick up every lorebook while levelling the mages/fighters/psijic/AvA skill lines and picking up skyshards, as does pretty much every person I play with.
In fact 'zone clear events' do crop up in the guild regularly because it can get a bit lonely and grindy otherwise.
You are telling me that you don't do this? But... why? 99% of the lore books are in your path, you have to very much make an effort to NOT pick them up.
Right? I just download an addon that shows where all the books are, and just take a couple hours running around grabbing them all whenever I make an alt. Takes 2 hours tops, and if you have the mythic ring that increases movement speed, like an hour and a half. AND if your alt is level 3, it'll get a couple levels just for running around, and you'll unlock a ton of wayshrines that help later...
If someone is trying to do it on console, sure it might be harder, but you can still pull up a map on your phone and just follow it. Harder, but I can't see it taking a ton longer either.
Full of it.
The 8 - 11 Lorebooks the placed in Cyordil and Imperia City will take you two hours alone depending on keep availability, horse mount speed, and how many players in either instance to pull you into a PVP battle.
Not to mention how dismissive you are of console players.
If they can’t/wont add the feature to do co some they shouldn’t tie a mythic’s usability to it
And oh by the way I’m at six hours on console trying to finish up 56 books this weekend on live and I’m not done yet so so don’t mean this a direct insult but I mean it none the less.
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How many people are going to have a full Shalidor’s Library on a single character? How many will have a full Shalidor’s Library on multiple characters? That’s insane lol. Nty.Ishtarknows wrote: »Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
I think that it's a good thing, and shouldn't be a mash up of all your character's lorebooks like the grand master crafter debacle was/is.
Most of my characters are mages guild 10 anyway and would only need a few extra to fill it out if I wanted them to use this mythic. I mean it's just Shalidors library right, it's not like it's all the lore library books needed.
Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
I've done it on two so far. So we can +1 the count for someone with multiple characters. XD1 -
chrisfeng✭✭✭Apparently for mora you need the WHOLE library, considered that with 30 books i got 152 crit. So multiply that x 10 and that's it. AND it is not account wide, so you would need to farm 300+ books on all chars that will use it, It's INSANE.
Finally some reward for doing all the grinding. Excellente!2 -
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Shalidor’s Library itself doesn’t need to become account-wide but the mythic needs to consider account-wide progress imo.
Why?
It's a powerful mythic if you jump the hoops to max it out as it should be. I'm looking forward to achieving 5* general on my main with this item. One of the few things there is to look forward to in this patch imo0