Java programmer?

They are now pretending that they care about PvP because the pooh has hit the fan and people have left for newer and fresher games. Content creators and streamers are turning their backs on ESO.

Zos's empty words and false promises are only a smoke screen to try and stop the noose tightening on this neglected game mode.

Big agree, PVP is a broken mess. People might say 'Git gud' but there's nothing to 'git' for the 'gud' when the client just ignores your keystrokes half the time. that's if you're lucky, rocking up to a besieged keep with 60+ people inside it?
Roll the dice! if you don't get a nat 20, enjoy the login screen.

Try the no cp campaign. There is no lag there for the most part and skills work. It's actually enjoyable to play pvp how it was intended. The CP campaigns are a total disaster as you have noticed.
This is why I play ravenwatch. Also, no dark convergence set allowed there.

Yea, PvP has been horrid for years now. A lot of pvp-centric players have left the game for no other reason than not being able to play it.

Abilities not firing off is the least of my problems half the time. It took several seconds for sprint to register the other day every time I hit the button (much like when you hit to mount and it takes a few seconds to appear and mount). Yesterday I hit my quickslot button (no lie) over 40 times while not doing anything else before it consumed by potion. And yea, skills: like I told my friends that asked if the game was performing any better last week: it took me 16 button presses for rapid regen to finally go off one night. This doesn't even count the CTD of the game or freezing up and having to hard restart your whole computer b/c it locks everything up. And of course, numbers always matter, but in lag, its all that matters. A bigger group can just walk in and stack on flags beside you without using abilities to get the win and flip keeps or flags. It really makes you not want to play.

Add to this how the balance is still quite wonky. There will always be meta, I realize that, but some stuff is just broken. Dark Convergence has gone the way of prox det - mostly a tool for use BY zergs instead of against them despite its intention. (And in lag it's instant death b/c you cannot stun break most of the time). IMO, once you stun break out of it, you should be immune to DC for a considerable length of time and it shouldn't snare, just pull in. There are several things you can do to abilities and procs to make them less effective when people stack them, but they usually choose not to bother with any of that.

Every build video you'll see for pvp is like: "be stage 3 vamp" - so vampire has become the same meme option it used to be when they changed it b/c everyone was taking it for the passives. i.e. nobody takes it to be a vampire (except maybe a few RPers) and everyone takes it for stage 3 vamp damage reduction passive in pvp. So that needs fixed, maybe they should have battle spirit cut the buff in half for pvp.

And though they've worked on it - there is still a big problem of players that are so tanky they barely take damage, yet can dish it out. I'm all for tanks, but if they can burst people down, then things aren't very equal. The solution for this probably isn't simple though, you'd almost need to look at specific builds and see if just certain sets were overperforming and address it piece by piece.

And last but not least - the lag hammer. It needs to go. It was a bad idea to begin with, and they've never even bothered changing it out with other weapons like they eluded to when it first came out. It's not the great equalizer like they pitched, it's just the thing that the already stronger group gets a hold of and dominates even more b/c of. It also encourages even more zerg stacking than normal, making the server lag worse.

So to me, it's obvious they just don't care about pvp that much. From obvious balance issues where in some cases it could be easily fixed to performance getting worse patch after patch after patch for years and years despite anything they supposedly do to improve it.

xaraan wrote: »

Yea, PvP has been horrid for years now. A lot of pvp-centric players have left the game for no other reason than not being able to play it.

Abilities not firing off is the least of my problems half the time. It took several seconds for sprint to register the other day every time I hit the button (much like when you hit to mount and it takes a few seconds to appear and mount). Yesterday I hit my quickslot button (no lie) over 40 times while not doing anything else before it consumed by potion. And yea, skills: like I told my friends that asked if the game was performing any better last week: it took me 16 button presses for rapid regen to finally go off one night. This doesn't even count the CTD of the game or freezing up and having to hard restart your whole computer b/c it locks everything up. And of course, numbers always matter, but in lag, its all that matters. A bigger group can just walk in and stack on flags beside you without using abilities to get the win and flip keeps or flags. It really makes you not want to play.

Add to this how the balance is still quite wonky. There will always be meta, I realize that, but some stuff is just broken. Dark Convergence has gone the way of prox det - mostly a tool for use BY zergs instead of against them despite its intention. (And in lag it's instant death b/c you cannot stun break most of the time). IMO, once you stun break out of it, you should be immune to DC for a considerable length of time and it shouldn't snare, just pull in. There are several things you can do to abilities and procs to make them less effective when people stack them, but they usually choose not to bother with any of that.

Every build video you'll see for pvp is like: "be stage 3 vamp" - so vampire has become the same meme option it used to be when they changed it b/c everyone was taking it for the passives. i.e. nobody takes it to be a vampire (except maybe a few RPers) and everyone takes it for stage 3 vamp damage reduction passive in pvp. So that needs fixed, maybe they should have battle spirit cut the buff in half for pvp.

And though they've worked on it - there is still a big problem of players that are so tanky they barely take damage, yet can dish it out. I'm all for tanks, but if they can burst people down, then things aren't very equal. The solution for this probably isn't simple though, you'd almost need to look at specific builds and see if just certain sets were overperforming and address it piece by piece.

And last but not least - the lag hammer. It needs to go. It was a bad idea to begin with, and they've never even bothered changing it out with other weapons like they eluded to when it first came out. It's not the great equalizer like they pitched, it's just the thing that the already stronger group gets a hold of and dominates even more b/c of. It also encourages even more zerg stacking than normal, making the server lag worse.

So to me, it's obvious they just don't care about pvp that much. From obvious balance issues where in some cases it could be easily fixed to performance getting worse patch after patch after patch for years and years despite anything they supposedly do to improve it.

Sooo much that. I play a tank myself but even I get tired of meeting uber gamers that can just laugh their way through dozens of enemies with no chance of getting killed.

I would argue that it would be fairly easy to end those issues - there are already caps for different defenses and such. They need to be nerfed or rebalanced. Maybe mass healing skills need to get nerfed in PvP (which stings to say because I don't want to be mean to healers), or defensive values lowered. Or a bit of both.

(Awaiting the hatestorm of doom for my suggestions)

alberichtano wrote: »

BlossomDead wrote: »

LostHorizon1933 wrote: »

Java programmer?

I see what you did there and it cracked me up.

Then perchance explain to us who don't?

It's because of dots in OP post. It's a so called member operator used to access class or package member, in other words it is used almost in every line in a code

Edit:
Oh and it looks like this:

System.out.println(i);

No worries though, they're coming out with a fully fleshed out card game system that even has ranking because they think that's PvP.

Molydeus wrote: »

BazOfWar wrote: »

Content creators and streamers are turning their backs on ESO.

Have never, ever been a significant part of ESO.

That's why everyone's running the builds they put together and post.

Go into a dungeon or battleground and you'll see the same proc sets and skills being used by 80-85% of the players.

Yeah, its total garbage now. I used to play daily, but now basically go into Cyro once a month on each of my toons for the transmutes and that's about it. The problems are so obvious that I have to believe the devs never played PVP or this stuff would be fixed. Either that or they just don't care.