Why arent you addressing that most of the botting is occurring due to game scripting for addons
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Blackwolfe5✭✭✭Oh I get plenty of adventuring done and having tons of fun. Sometimes I can just wander off randomly exploring or even make an attempt at one of those group mobs in the open world. I don't feel that any of my addons take anything away from the adventuring feel. Heck, sometimes addons can even add to it, or as in the Singleplayer ES games, add even more fun stuff to discover. (or make the game look even better)Edited by Blackwolfe5 on April 30, 2014 8:03PM0 -
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✭✭vendettaxxiii wrote: »vendettaxxiii wrote: »7788b14_ESO wrote: »Dante_Marquis wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Here is the thing , addons do not matter , to YOU , i use TONS of them , and honestly , i would have gold sellers in this game for years , than to have them remove the addons.
If you need Add ons then stop playing MMOs you are no gamer....My wife and I are old school we don't need any mod to help us play and never well..by the Goddess the Kids these days. You mean to tell me that you need an add on to hold your hand and play the game for you?? because that is what you are doing.
LOL, add-ons have been around since MMO's came out. I've used them since SWG.
Yeah I used addons in EQ and WoW: TBC/WoTLK. "Old School gamer" dude is hilarious.
The only add-on that should be allowed is the one that shows you your battle stats. Other than that, Dante's right. What's with the add-ons for locating skyshards and crafting materials? That's highly ridiculous and is completely hand holding for a game that already holds your hand pretty much all the way through.
If I didn't have an AddOn for skyshards, crafting materials, books, and treasure maps, do you know what it means? It means I just have to alt-tab out to www.esohead.com to get the same information.
The hand-holding will exist so long as people want it to.
Zenimax can't stop that, AddOn API or not.
Lawl. That's hilarious. If you have to use a website, then you are no MMO player. Open your journal in game. They give clues to the skyshards--Most of which you will find just running around questing. Same thing for crafting materials. Run around and actually look around you, you will find everything you need, I promise.
@Striken7 -- Mature, really showing your age there. Refer to the statement above.vendettaxxiii wrote: »vendettaxxiii wrote: »7788b14_ESO wrote: »Dante_Marquis wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Here is the thing , addons do not matter , to YOU , i use TONS of them , and honestly , i would have gold sellers in this game for years , than to have them remove the addons.
If you need Add ons then stop playing MMOs you are no gamer....My wife and I are old school we don't need any mod to help us play and never well..by the Goddess the Kids these days. You mean to tell me that you need an add on to hold your hand and play the game for you?? because that is what you are doing.
LOL, add-ons have been around since MMO's came out. I've used them since SWG.
Yeah I used addons in EQ and WoW: TBC/WoTLK. "Old School gamer" dude is hilarious.
The only add-on that should be allowed is the one that shows you your battle stats. Other than that, Dante's right. What's with the add-ons for locating skyshards and crafting materials? That's highly ridiculous and is completely hand holding for a game that already holds your hand pretty much all the way through.
If I didn't have an AddOn for skyshards, crafting materials, books, and treasure maps, do you know what it means? It means I just have to alt-tab out to www.esohead.com to get the same information.
The hand-holding will exist so long as people want it to.
Zenimax can't stop that, AddOn API or not.
Lawl. That's hilarious. If you have to use a website, then you are no MMO player. Open your journal in game. They give clues to the skyshards--Most of which you will find just running around questing. Same thing for crafting materials. Run around and actually look around you, you will find everything you need, I promise.
@Striken7 -- Mature, really showing your age there. Refer to the statement above.
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Blackwolfe5✭✭✭Ooh, I remember drawing maps when playing Eye of the Beholder. Then there was the zmud client that could draw maps automatically when playing muds. And autocolor text etc.0
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Rantog✭✭✭✭add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.
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Did I make myself clear? Or do you still think that I think that add ons are responsible for bots? I certainly hope not.
Which are you making clear?
That addons "give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API"
or that they Don't?
You seem to be claiming both.
Addons - are components added to the UI through the API given by Zenimax, and are limited to what it allows.
Anything that does something NOT allowed by that API, is not an addon, it is a Hack - and has No Reason to use the API.
Hacks <> Addons
Hacks allow things not allowed.
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zeuseason✭✭✭The API may make it easier for bots, but hash hacking is still common for farmers and can be easier than you think.0 -
Orizuru✭✭✭Blackwolfe5 wrote: »Ooh, I remember drawing maps when playing Eye of the Beholder. Then there was the zmud client that could draw maps automatically when playing muds. And autocolor text etc.
When I was in middle school I had an English teacher that would routinely ask to swap maps with me for Swords & Serpents on the NES. Those were the days...
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WhiteQueen✭✭✭Oh! I remember game maps. My grandfather had a ton of them hand-drawn on graphing paper.1 -
Catsocks✭✭NaciremaDiputs wrote: »I love it when armchair programmers start theorizing about software design. It's almost as amusing as when one of the users for one of my software modules submits a request for a modification and begins by stating, "All you have to do is..."
i am going to hack your gibson.
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Selective quoting sir. This is what I wrote.add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.
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Did I make myself clear? Or do you still think that I think that add ons are responsible for bots? I certainly hope not.
Which are you making clear?
That addons "give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API"
or that they Don't?
You seem to be claiming both.
Addons - are components added to the UI through the API given by Zenimax, and are limited to what it allows.
Anything that does something NOT allowed by that API, is not an addon, it is a Hack - and has No Reason to use the API.
Hacks <> Addons
Hacks allow things not allowed.
Addons don't.
''Security - I simply think there needs to be more security that can sniff out bad add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.''
So the add ons that were allowed before the API restrictions are now automatically hacks? I think not. They are simply restricted add ons now. There are new ones that could be considered hacks, and yes, there needs to be more security against those.
If you are going to quote me, quote the complete statement.
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Catsocks✭✭Yep, still don't know what an addon is b
Selective quoting sir. This is what I wrote.add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.
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Did I make myself clear? Or do you still think that I think that add ons are responsible for bots? I certainly hope not.
Which are you making clear?
That addons "give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API"
or that they Don't?
You seem to be claiming both.
Addons - are components added to the UI through the API given by Zenimax, and are limited to what it allows.
Anything that does something NOT allowed by that API, is not an addon, it is a Hack - and has No Reason to use the API.
Hacks <> Addons
Hacks allow things not allowed.
Addons don't.
''Security - I simply think there needs to be more security that can sniff out bad add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.''
So the add ons that were allowed before the API restrictions are now automatically hacks? I think not. They are simply restricted add ons now. There are new ones that could be considered hacks, and yes, there needs to be more security against those.
If you are going to quote me, quote the complete statement.
Addons, that were coded before the API restrictions, no longer work if they made use of API that has been restricted. I am curious, do you even have a background in programming?
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"Fear can claim what little faith remains."
"Death will take those who fight alone."
"But united we can break a fate once set in stone."
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And apparently you are incapable of comprehending English.Yep, still don't know what an addon is b
Selective quoting sir. This is what I wrote.add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.
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Did I make myself clear? Or do you still think that I think that add ons are responsible for bots? I certainly hope not.
Which are you making clear?
That addons "give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API"
or that they Don't?
You seem to be claiming both.
Addons - are components added to the UI through the API given by Zenimax, and are limited to what it allows.
Anything that does something NOT allowed by that API, is not an addon, it is a Hack - and has No Reason to use the API.
Hacks <> Addons
Hacks allow things not allowed.
Addons don't.
''Security - I simply think there needs to be more security that can sniff out bad add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.''
So the add ons that were allowed before the API restrictions are now automatically hacks? I think not. They are simply restricted add ons now. There are new ones that could be considered hacks, and yes, there needs to be more security against those.
If you are going to quote me, quote the complete statement.
Addons, that were coded before the API restrictions, no longer work if they made use of API that has been restricted. I am curious, do you even have a background in programming?
OBVIOUSLY they are restricted. But that does not make them hacks automatically, they simply do not work anymore. Read. Comprehend. Reply.
Also, where did I mention I have a background in programming? You are really good at putting words in peoples mouths. But terrible at comprehending and processing what someone writes.
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Orizuru✭✭✭NaciremaDiputs wrote: »I love it when armchair programmers start theorizing about software design. It's almost as amusing as when one of the users for one of my software modules submits a request for a modification and begins by stating, "All you have to do is..."
i am going to hack your gibson.
Can you make it sound more like my Stratocaster?
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Draxinusom✭✭✭Is this discussion about bots or is it yet another one of those where a subset of people are not content to play the game their way, they actually want to dictate that others have to play it the same way as them for some odd reason?
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Blackwolfe5✭✭✭Well, it started out as a discusssion about bots. Now I don't know what it has turned into :P Something about hacking guitars?0
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I dunno, apparently since I requested more security, I amDraxinusom wrote: »Is this discussion about bots or is it yet another one of those where a subset of people are not content to play the game their way, they actually want to dictate that others have to play it the same way as them for some odd reason?
"against add ons"
"don't know what I am talking about"
"obviously am not a programmer"
O.o
I even stated several times I am fine with add ons, and people should be able to play how they want to..... but se la vi....
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WhiteQueen✭✭✭@Draxinusom wrote: »Is this discussion about bots or is it yet another one of those where a subset of people are not content to play the game their way, they actually want to dictate that others have to play it the same way as them for some odd reason?
It was the OP misunderstanding the difference between botting and add-on scripting.
Now it's more like flirting between Catsocks and Nacirema.3 -
Rantog✭✭✭✭NaciremaDiputs wrote: »I love it when armchair programmers start theorizing about software design. It's almost as amusing as when one of the users for one of my software modules submits a request for a modification and begins by stating, "All you have to do is..."
I know the feeling well...
But don't forget - Jump tables began as an "all you have to do is..."
And CMS was a simple Client suggestion that was prefaced with a similar statement... and is now the standard for commercial/professional web presences, and growing fast among individual users.
I don't mind a client suggesting things. I do mind when they start telling me how long it Will Take me to accomplish.
What bothers me more is playing a game, and watching a company stumble around for days or weeks trying to fix a bug, getting frustrated and finally bumping in and fixing it yourself in a few minutes... and knowing that if you send them anything detailing how they can do so, it will either be ignored, or result in a ban.0 -
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And apparently you are incapable of comprehending English.Yep, still don't know what an addon is b
Selective quoting sir. This is what I wrote.add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.
.....
Did I make myself clear? Or do you still think that I think that add ons are responsible for bots? I certainly hope not.
Which are you making clear?
That addons "give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API"
or that they Don't?
You seem to be claiming both.
Addons - are components added to the UI through the API given by Zenimax, and are limited to what it allows.
Anything that does something NOT allowed by that API, is not an addon, it is a Hack - and has No Reason to use the API.
Hacks <> Addons
Hacks allow things not allowed.
Addons don't.
''Security - I simply think there needs to be more security that can sniff out bad add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.''
So the add ons that were allowed before the API restrictions are now automatically hacks? I think not. They are simply restricted add ons now. There are new ones that could be considered hacks, and yes, there needs to be more security against those.
If you are going to quote me, quote the complete statement.
Addons, that were coded before the API restrictions, no longer work if they made use of API that has been restricted. I am curious, do you even have a background in programming? OBVIOUSLY they are restricted. But that does not make them hacks automatically, they simply do not work anymore. Read. Comprehend. Reply.
Also, where did I mention I have a background in programming? You are really good at putting words in peoples mouths. But terrible at comprehending and processing what someone writes.
You have a fundamentally flawed definition of addons and we're trying to explain to you that the windmill you are jousting against does not exist. ZOS doesn't have to "sniff" out addons that will break API restrictions because addons can not do that. What are you not getting here?
Speaking of comprehension, do you not understand I am asking if you even have a background in programming because you are misunderstanding very simple concepts here.
edit:NaciremaDiputs wrote: »NaciremaDiputs wrote: »I love it when armchair programmers start theorizing about software design. It's almost as amusing as when one of the users for one of my software modules submits a request for a modification and begins by stating, "All you have to do is..."
i am going to hack your gibson.
Can you make it sound more like my Stratocaster?
Just for you *flutters eyelashes*
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mess with the best, die like the rest
Yes I actually put the movie on for this image
Edited by Arsenic_Touch on April 30, 2014 8:36PM☠ Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured? ☠
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"Hope can drown lost in thunderous sound."
"Fear can claim what little faith remains."
"Death will take those who fight alone."
"But united we can break a fate once set in stone."
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Catsocks✭✭WhiteQueen wrote: »@Draxinusom wrote: »Is this discussion about bots or is it yet another one of those where a subset of people are not content to play the game their way, they actually want to dictate that others have to play it the same way as them for some odd reason?
It was the OP misunderstanding the difference between botting and add-on scripting.
Now it's more like flirting between Catsocks and Nacirema.
light years better than having to explain programming 101 for someone worried about api restriction scriptlers.
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WhiteQueen✭✭✭I think the funniest thing on this thread (aside from the super-awkward courtship of course) is that laced isn't even the OP. 0
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Draxinusom✭✭✭Since this thread derailed anyway...
I too remember the time where having a website was that you, well had a website, maybe scripted, maybe not. I still know the terms cgi-bin and SSI.
When I first heard about a CMS I thought it was a redaction system that newspapers used... someone writes an article, it goes to lecture, gets aproofed and then somehow appears in a certain column. I also was confused why people needed it, because there aren't that many newspapers after all.
And here we are, where "having a website" means installing a CMS and do stuff in it.
With regards to suggestions. I think Blizzard said it very aptly and subtly once (and consequently it whoooshed over pretty much everyone's head) when they said (paraphrased): We love feedback, please tell us where you see problems. However don't give solutions. You're not designers, most likely not game designers and certainly not game designer of this game. We are. We listen where you see problems but we will search and decide for a solution because you have no idea what is involved or how it would break things in another way if we followed your "easy solution".0 -
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I give up. Its like talking to a def child, then trying sign language only to realize they are blind too....
And apparently you are incapable of comprehending English.Yep, still don't know what an addon is b
Selective quoting sir. This is what I wrote.add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.
.....
Did I make myself clear? Or do you still think that I think that add ons are responsible for bots? I certainly hope not.
Which are you making clear?
That addons "give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API"
or that they Don't?
You seem to be claiming both.
Addons - are components added to the UI through the API given by Zenimax, and are limited to what it allows.
Anything that does something NOT allowed by that API, is not an addon, it is a Hack - and has No Reason to use the API.
Hacks <> Addons
Hacks allow things not allowed.
Addons don't.
''Security - I simply think there needs to be more security that can sniff out bad add ons that would give players an advantage that normally is restricted by the API.''
So the add ons that were allowed before the API restrictions are now automatically hacks? I think not. They are simply restricted add ons now. There are new ones that could be considered hacks, and yes, there needs to be more security against those.
If you are going to quote me, quote the complete statement.
Addons, that were coded before the API restrictions, no longer work if they made use of API that has been restricted. I am curious, do you even have a background in programming? OBVIOUSLY they are restricted. But that does not make them hacks automatically, they simply do not work anymore. Read. Comprehend. Reply.
Also, where did I mention I have a background in programming? You are really good at putting words in peoples mouths. But terrible at comprehending and processing what someone writes.
You have a fundamentally flawed definition of addons and we're trying to explain to you that the windmill you are jousting against does not exist. ZOS doesn't have to "sniff" out addons that will break API restrictions because addons can not do that. What are you not getting here?
Speaking of comprehension, do you not understand I am asking if you even have a background in programming because you are misunderstanding very simple concepts here.
edit:NaciremaDiputs wrote: »NaciremaDiputs wrote: »I love it when armchair programmers start theorizing about software design. It's almost as amusing as when one of the users for one of my software modules submits a request for a modification and begins by stating, "All you have to do is..."
i am going to hack your gibson.
Can you make it sound more like my Stratocaster?
Just for you *flutters eyelashes*
Enjoy your game. And please try a communications class.....
Way to be ablest. Geez.
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Blackwolfe5✭✭✭Still, if someone finds flaw in the api that allows an addon to do unintended stuff, it should be reported and not abused. Because you know, an exploit is an exploit.0
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Windshadow_ESO✭✭✭play nice folks this is just a game… flames just increase the hot air levels
(not directed and any one poster just to all a hint that the singing of a campfire song while joining hands might get the chat back into constructive mode)0 -
Draxinusom✭✭✭WhiteQueen wrote: »I think the funniest thing on this thread (aside from the super-awkward courtship of course) is that laced isn't even the OP.
You are WhiteQueen, he's WhiteKnight.
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