Account Wide Achievements: What's the impact?

superryan94 · March 2022

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Edgemoor wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Getting a small dopamine rush when you accomplish an achievement on an alternate character, especially in a different role, or a class you're not as familiar with.

Being able to track what each character has done in the game, if you play them as individuals.

Immersion of players having a "Thief" title and achievement on a character who has never stolen anything.

There's 91 pages of "feedback" (I put in quotes because feedback usually means two way, which it wasn't), of all the different things players "lose" in this.

It's unbelievable that they would actually implement this in a game that quite heavily relies on those skyshards. I don't see any reason to start a new character unless there is a method to track which skyshards have been acquired.

Spending that amount of time running around the entire map just to discover you've got them is a pointless waster of time and effort.

If they went this route I would have expected them to grant the skyshards to all characters, not just wipe out all progress.

I see the problem with granting all the skyshards is the problem of the skill points. I guess they weren't willing to apply all those unearned skill points to the char, although they were willing to grant the the unearned acheev.

Granting the skyshards would cost them money since they are also purchasable in the crownstore.

Edgemoor · March 2022

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Edgemoor wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Getting a small dopamine rush when you accomplish an achievement on an alternate character, especially in a different role, or a class you're not as familiar with.

Being able to track what each character has done in the game, if you play them as individuals.

Immersion of players having a "Thief" title and achievement on a character who has never stolen anything.

There's 91 pages of "feedback" (I put in quotes because feedback usually means two way, which it wasn't), of all the different things players "lose" in this.

It's unbelievable that they would actually implement this in a game that quite heavily relies on those skyshards. I don't see any reason to start a new character unless there is a method to track which skyshards have been acquired.

Spending that amount of time running around the entire map just to discover you've got them is a pointless waster of time and effort.

If they went this route I would have expected them to grant the skyshards to all characters, not just wipe out all progress.

I see the problem with granting all the skyshards is the problem of the skill points. I guess they weren't willing to apply all those unearned skill points to the char, although they were willing to grant the the unearned acheev.

Yeah i agree, but why take away the ability to track which ones you have an which ones you don't? They just made a good portion of their game unplayable.

Tandor · March 2022

Edgemoor wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Getting a small dopamine rush when you accomplish an achievement on an alternate character, especially in a different role, or a class you're not as familiar with.

Being able to track what each character has done in the game, if you play them as individuals.

Immersion of players having a "Thief" title and achievement on a character who has never stolen anything.

There's 91 pages of "feedback" (I put in quotes because feedback usually means two way, which it wasn't), of all the different things players "lose" in this.

It's unbelievable that they would actually implement this in a game that quite heavily relies on those skyshards. I don't see any reason to start a new character unless there is a method to track which skyshards have been acquired.

Spending that amount of time running around the entire map just to discover you've got them is a pointless waster of time and effort.

If they went this route I would have expected them to grant the skyshards to all characters, not just wipe out all progress.

Basically, the achievements that remain character-based are those that have the option to be completed through the Crown Store.

CombatCoati · March 2022

Danikat wrote: »

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There's currently a bug with the zone guide where the list down the side shows dolmens, world bosses and delves as completed even before they're discovered if another character has done it. I think that's supposed to be fixed at some point but it hasn't been yet.

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Unfortunately, there will be no fix, as those are tracked by achievements only. So there is nothing that can be done about that with the achievements now being account wide.

Edgemoor · March 2022

CombatCoati wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

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Basically, the achievements that remain character-based are those that have the option to be completed through the Crown Store.

What are you other ones out of interest?

fiender66 · March 2022

I do not like to complain, and, till now, have gone over all the changes done by Zos without much discomfort.
This time, however, I feel different. The worsening of QoL concerning the raising of new characters is so massive that I find it hard to ignore it.
One of the incentive to play ESO (not the only one, OFC) for me has been the very good implementation on Mac OS, which is my environment of choice. If I'll find out another decent game that runs on Mac, I will consider to put the time I'm giving to ESO there. And I'm here since 2016...

silvereyes · March 2022

So, I thought I wouldn't care about who got assigned as the earner for the achievement, but I realized I was close to some of the justice achievements and decided to log in on my Khajiit next so she would get the "earned by" credit.

Soooo cloose...

Guess I'll go finish these off before logging in on my other characters.

Broken23 · March 2022

I've never cared about achievements and titles, but i can understand the frustration of people who do love them. I hope they have some kind of solution at some point.

tmbrinks · March 2022

It's so incredibly disheartening to hear all of this from all these players.

I don't even want to log into the game to start this mess. But I have friends from the game, those I enjoy playing with, that I've made from this game.

Vrienda · March 2022

Character individuality is destroyed.

World objectives like delves, dolmens and world bosses are auto completed for all alts if you did them on your main. Meaning no first-time completion exp.

Skyshards are apparently a little messy.

Your titles are now account wide, as is progress towards achievements.

Your character will be referred to as having done X and Y because your main did it.

Certain post-story dialogues like the one for Markarth just don't exist for alts anymore.

Performance is improved, clearly. Just log on and you can totally see how great we're doing now ZOS managed to trim roughly one TB worth of data.

/s

tmbrinks · March 2022

Broken23 wrote: »

I've never cared about achievements and titles, but i can understand the frustration of people who do love them. I hope they have some kind of solution at some point.

The data is destroyed on the live server as soon as you've logged in.

Only if they do a rollback. And let's be honest, they won't that. They won't even acknowledge that there's issues with the implementation. Literal silence.

SammyKhajit · March 2022

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

so if my character hasnt done the main quest (aka the soulburst) do characters like Tharn Liris still recognise me due to the schivements?

I checked a quest in Summerset during PTS and the NPC recognized my non-Thief/Dark Brotherhood character as a Thief/Dark Brotherhood character.

This is very worrying. Sammy has a few upstanding characters with no affiliation with the Thieves Guild or the Dark Brotherhood.

This one should log in to check, but am too scared.

Jaraal · March 2022

Danikat wrote: »

And yeah, some dialogue and scenes are broken because they're tied to achievements. I don't know if ZOS is going to fix those or just ignore them. There's some things which have never been updated to accomodate One Tamriel because apparently ZOS is ok with the problems it causes. Although that's things which are more hassle than they need to be because you have to go back to your home alliance to do them, not things you can't do, so hopefully this update will be different.

Yeah, when they changed the Bosmer lore a few years ago by revoking their god-given stealth and turning them into PvP sentries (which, by the way, is still not working as advertised), they never bothered to change any of the quests or NPC dialogues about the Right of Theft, or other stealth related things. Same thing with Argonian poison immunity. You can still hear Argonian NPCs talking about enjoying drinking poison.... which no longer fits with changes to the lore made by the combat team.

Point being, based upon their track record in that regard, I don't think any of the broken dialogue or NPC interactions will be fixed any time soon. My guess is they have their people focused on getting together a working card game that they can sell us this summer.

Stamicka · March 2022

Where can I find when they claimed that this was for performance?

Broken23 · March 2022

tmbrinks wrote: »

Broken23 wrote: »

I've never cared about achievements and titles, but i can understand the frustration of people who do love them. I hope they have some kind of solution at some point.

The data is destroyed on the live server as soon as you've logged in.

Only if they do a rollback. And let's be honest, they won't that. They won't even acknowledge that there's issues with the implementation. Literal silence.

My data is perfectly fine and I haven't had any problems so far, but it's just me and I'm sure many others have problems. I hope they do something for those who are suffering. peace

silvereyes · March 2022

Stamicka wrote: »

Where can I find when they claimed that this was for performance?

There was a Q & A:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/598865/account-wide-achievements-q-a

heaven13 · March 2022

Jaraal wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

And yeah, some dialogue and scenes are broken because they're tied to achievements. I don't know if ZOS is going to fix those or just ignore them. There's some things which have never been updated to accomodate One Tamriel because apparently ZOS is ok with the problems it causes. Although that's things which are more hassle than they need to be because you have to go back to your home alliance to do them, not things you can't do, so hopefully this update will be different.

Yeah, when they changed the Bosmer lore a few years ago by revoking their god-given stealth and turning them into PvP sentries (which, by the way, is still not working as advertised), they never bothered to change any of the quests or NPC dialogues about the Right of Theft, or other stealth related things. Same thing with Argonian poison immunity. You can still hear Argonian NPCs talking about enjoying drinking poison.... which no longer fits with changes to the lore made by the combat team.

Point being, based upon their track record in that regard, I don't think any of the broken dialogue or NPC interactions will be fixed any time soon. My guess is they have their people focused on getting together a working card game that they can sell us this summer.

Don’t forget they were working on Bosmer stealth! There is a plan. What it is and why it’s taken so long to implement is another question but…communication.

So, yeah. I doubt they will fix anything. It went to live almost exactly how it launched on PTS despite the huge “discussion” which was the equivalent to talking to a brick wall.

r34lian · March 2022

I like what they did with achievements. I don't get how going to point a pressing e for 10th time is immersion.

Hope they do the same for skyshard.

ApoAlaia · March 2022

The skyshard conundrum is mighty frustrating.

I still have characters that have not collected all of them.

I don't know if I have the patience to visit every skyshard location to check if I have collected it with that character or not.

Between the server woes, the camera woes and this my patience for today is depleted, I will reassess tomorrow when some has been replenished.

tmbrinks · March 2022

r34lian wrote: »

I like what they did with achievements. I don't get how going to point a pressing e for 10th time is immersion.

Hope they do the same for skyshard.

and congratulations, nothing has changed for you.

But those that did like playing different characters, repeating things, they've irrevocably lost that option.

And they absolutely won't do it for skyshards... because those are in the crown store.

karekiz · March 2022

AWA killed the endgame thats the impact. Most endgamers have already bailed out.

tmbrinks · March 2022

Broken23 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Broken23 wrote: »

I've never cared about achievements and titles, but i can understand the frustration of people who do love them. I hope they have some kind of solution at some point.

The data is destroyed on the live server as soon as you've logged in.

Only if they do a rollback. And let's be honest, they won't that. They won't even acknowledge that there's issues with the implementation. Literal silence.

My data is perfectly fine and I haven't had any problems so far, but it's just me and I'm sure many others have problems. I hope they do something for those who are suffering. peace

I'm referring to the fact that the second I log into a second character from my main, they will have instantly unlocked pretty much every achievement in the game.

NPC interactions will be messed up
Completion guides will be messed up
That little dopamine rush of getting a challenging achievement on an alt, in a new role, and getting that popup that says you did it... gone.

My writ character will be hailed as the savior of the world, even though she's only ever been in Davon's Watch (and then to Alinor) to do writs!

All the individual progress of my characters is overwritten, and the ways of tracking become significantly more difficult to accomplish.

Hundreds of us tested on the PTS, let ZoS know about all these things that were broken. And they said NOTHING, short of an extremely tone-deaf "Q & A" that didn't answer any actual player questions. All from a team that says "we're working on communication"

Even with at least a half-dozen threads here... there has been nothing said.

Tandor · March 2022

r34lian wrote: »

I like what they did with achievements. I don't get how going to point a pressing e for 10th time is immersion.

Hope they do the same for skyshard.

Good for you. But you know what was clear throughout the 91 pages on the PTS forum? First, almost all of those who had wanted account-wide achievements didn't like the way they were being implemented because they hadn't anticipated it being at the expense of the character progression-tracking on their alts. Second, even most of those who weren't personally bothered by that recognised that it took away something important for those who played the game differently to them and they didn't like that. Third, pretty well no-one liked the fact that ZOS weren't even willing (or authorised) to engage with the players about it.

Edgemoor · March 2022

After reading the threads and looking at what's happened to my character it looks like what they did was merge all the data into one big lump rather than assess what the impact and implication would actually be, then ignore all player feedback???

AlnilamE · March 2022

ApoAlaia wrote: »

The skyshard conundrum is mighty frustrating.

I still have characters that have not collected all of them.

I don't know if I have the patience to visit every skyshard location to check if I have collected it with that character or not.

Between the server woes, the camera woes and this my patience for today is depleted, I will reassess tomorrow when some has been replenished.

I believe if you go into the zone guide in detail it will list all the skyshards and which ones you already have in that zone.

But the overview you see next to the zone map may or may not be broken.

Saieden · March 2022

Edgemoor wrote: »

After reading the threads and looking at what's happened to my character it looks like what they did was merge all the data into one big lump rather than assess what the impact and implication would actually be, then ignore all player feedback???

Yes. And then try to gaslight us by pretending no one has any legitimate complaints.

Edgemoor · March 2022

Tandor wrote: »

r34lian wrote: »

I like what they did with achievements. I don't get how going to point a pressing e for 10th time is immersion.

Hope they do the same for skyshard.

Good for you. But you know what was clear throughout the 91 pages on the PTS forum? First, almost all of those who had wanted account-wide achievements didn't like the way they were being implemented because they hadn't anticipated it being at the expense of the character progression-tracking on their alts. Second, even most of those who weren't personally bothered by that recognised that it took away something important for those who played the game differently to them and they didn't like that. Third, pretty well no-one liked the fact that ZOS weren't even willing (or authorised) to engage with the players about it.

Individual character progression tracking is one of the most important aspects of an RPG so I have no idea what ZOS were even thinking when they did this.

Ulvich · March 2022

The idea of account wide achievements is turning out to be rejected by almost everyone I speak with. There are numerous postings in these forums that are also rejecting this idea.
Account wide achievements (in my opinion) will take away a character’s identity and uniqueness. Having a fresh level 3 running around with the Dragonslayer title (or others unearned) is simply ridicules. If you wish to make something account wide then perhaps wayshrine discovery, or maybe mount training.

Evolvei · March 2022

Apparently there is an exec at ESO that never learned that being adamant about a bad decision does not make the decision a good one.

Edgemoor · March 2022

Ulvich wrote: »

The idea of account wide achievements is turning out to be rejected by almost everyone I speak with. There are numerous postings in these forums that are also rejecting this idea.
Account wide achievements (in my opinion) will take away a character’s identity and uniqueness. Having a fresh level 3 running around with the Dragonslayer title (or others unearned) is simply ridicules. If you wish to make something account wide then perhaps wayshrine discovery, or maybe mount training.

I'd guess advocates of account wide almost certain didn't mean to merge it all into one.