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What the secretly hidden super advantage of fully leveled riding skills?

  • whitecrow
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    I want to buy the fancy horse blanket.
  • AcadianPaladin
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    I think some relief would be most welcome and I believe the best answer would be to allow one to train each horse skill once a day. That would reduce the total time required to max from 180 to 60 days. I should think that is still enough incentive to allow for the sale of some crown riding tokens for really impatient well-heeled equestrians. Additionally, it sounds like a very simple change to implement to me.
    Edited by AcadianPaladin on February 25, 2022 8:27PM
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  • Leftover_Pizza
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    Heartrage wrote: »
    Still, it was memorable. I remember how great it was to get my first mount in wow. Eso was way worst at first when you had to level mounts individually then got better with the current system.

    Eso mounting skill is a chore, wow mounts were an achievement.

    Getting a mount always felt so much more rewarding in WoW and it was a huge incentive to replay dungeons and raids for them, as well for doing achievements. Riding a rare mount really meant something, like Invincible Reigns which I never looted.

    There is no such feeling in ESO, unfortunately.
  • SammyKhajit
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    It’s part of the mini game called Grind.
  • Nomadic_Atmoran
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    I'll be wrapping up my last 5 characters upgrades in a couple of weeks. Itll be a relief to have all 18 characters mount upgrades behind me.
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  • Leftover_Pizza
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    It’s part of the mini game called Grind.

    I don't mind a grind, but this is no grind by far. This is just a stupid time gated 'feature' in this game that holds no purpose.
    What decent reason can one think of, to keep players from having useful mounts for this long?
    It's just stupidly stupid.
  • James-Wayne
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    I believe they were going to upgrade the system but it never happened as they went free to play and priorities changed
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  • Elvenheart
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    The satisfaction of knowing you spent 180 days and 45,000 gold on each character you fully leveled up the mount training on, making one aspect of them the best it could be. Now time to finish getting them to 50 and farming the best sets once you figure out how you like to “play the way you want (tm)” and understand how the different sets synergize with your characters’ skills and you’ll have the best characters you can possibly have tailored just for YOU! 😁

    PS…And don’t forget to farm those champion points for that little extra zing for your characters - they’ll thank you for it later 😉
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    duagloth wrote: »
    Cyrodiil,farming nodes, it makes a huge difference.
    The design itself of a time gate is absurd and i think its a bad lazy design. Not needed and needs to be redone.

    Make it 100gold a day, and 1000 gold ever next upgrade if you wsnt to skip the day wait
    I am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
    Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!
  • SammyKhajit
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    It’s part of the mini game called Grind.

    I don't mind a grind, but this is no grind by far. This is just a stupid time gated 'feature' in this game that holds no purpose.
    What decent reason can one think of, to keep players from having useful mounts for this long?
    It's just stupidly stupid.

    Lessons need gold. Sammy has been running ragged trying to earn gold for all his children’s riding lessons.

    And yes, it is also stupid. Why can’t we buy ten lots of riding lessons from the stable master? Why only one per day?
    Edited by SammyKhajit on February 26, 2022 3:03AM
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    It’s part of the mini game called Grind.

    I don't mind a grind, but this is no grind by far. This is just a stupid time gated 'feature' in this game that holds no purpose.

    Just like every similar feature in MMOs for decades, "time gate" IS the purpose.
  • Brrrofski
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    I think it's fine tbh.

    But I wish it was on a global reset timer, not the stupid 20h timer.
  • LalMirchi
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    What the secretly hidden super advantage of fully leveled riding skills?

    To me personally none as do not use mounts at all in my gameplay.I prefer running around and not having to dismount to harvest or fight.

    I do park my newbies at Vivec City to upgrade the capacity of the alts inventory for 60 days but then they are done with this rather unnecessary grind.
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    [snip]

    Do you have any idea how inaccurate your reply is in this game, where all the nice stuff is obtained by a simple purchase in the Crown Store and are not able to be grind for in the game itself?

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 26, 2022 6:37PM
  • BloodyStigmata
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    The super secret advantage is you get to experience the joy of launching yourself off a cliff in Orsinium at mach 5 when you're not paying attention.
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  • Iselin
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    SeaGtGruff wrote: »
    Go to Cyrodiil and do the zone questline to get the two Alliance War skill lines and the Continuous Attack passive. It won't let you ride at full speed, but it will help save your sanity while you're slowly leveling up your mount speed.

    Best thing since sliced bread making it a passive, No need to slot rapids any more. Not to mention that +30% speed is such a nice QOL passive for new level 10s... for those of us who enjoy leveling and discarding lowbees and then doing it again :)
    Edited by Iselin on February 26, 2022 5:14PM
  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
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    I think that over the years I've been able to level up the mounts on perhaps 5 characters, so yes..it is long, very long.

    The advantages are the following:
    - PvP Cyrodiil -> If it's a PvP character, you'll need speed and stamina at high levels
    - PvE raids -> Not needed -> No horse riding is really applicable outside of Hel Ra Citadel (it's only like 200 metres of riding)
    - Node farming/surveys -> Only needed on one character who has the right CP for gathering nodes/surveys
    - Mules/hoarding characters -> You'll want the inventory capacity high -> The rest you don't care about

    So it's mostly situational, don't feel the need to level up everything on each character as each one can do a specific task.
    Also making speed builds for node/survey farming is useful. I spend a lot of time on foot when doing those with a 175% sprint speed bonus.

    It's a strange system which is slow and not very enticing to do as the stables have remained static for over 8 years with no changes what so ever..you guessed it...because of the crown store ;)



    Edited by Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo on February 28, 2022 1:10PM
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    I’m sure some people just want to automatically have a couple of mounts and maxed mounting free of charge. I don’t agree with just giving it for nothing.
    However, leveling up mounting is a chore and boring. I know because i did it on 18 characters. That’s 54 hours for an average 1 minute to log in, go level up the skill and log out.
    I don’t feel good about it either. In classic wow, getting mounts was a way to flaunt your gold and it felt like a real upgrade right after you got it. In eso, mount speed can be bought with money to get it instantly so you don’t know or care if someone has it and if you do level it up you barely see a difference in speed or in your inventory.
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    Super secret advantage?

    Not getting dismounted in PvP unless you're riding forever and not once caring about your stamina pool.
    Getting 60 extra inventory slots so your inner loot hoarder can carry more without the banker assistant, or if you need to carry siege, potions, food, extra sets, RP fun stuff, etc.
    And move pretty fast wherever you need to be without trouble. Can go even slightly after after the Major Gallop buff with the Green CP star that makes you go faster while mounted.
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    Super secret advantage?

    Not getting dismounted in PvP unless you're riding forever and not once caring about your stamina pool.
    Getting 60 extra inventory slots so your inner loot hoarder can carry more without the banker assistant, or if you need to carry siege, potions, food, extra sets, RP fun stuff, etc.
    And move pretty fast wherever you need to be without trouble. Can go even slightly after after the Major Gallop buff with the Green CP star that makes you go faster while mounted.


    Max movement speed on foot is 200% of run speed (not sprint speed, they are different). Max movement speed on horse is 287% of run speed if you have both Major Gallop and the CP slottable, your horse is max speed, and you sprint. It's pretty darn fast.

    If you dont have the CP slottable or the major gallop, you need to feed a horse 56 times to be faster than you can be on foot. If you have both passives, a brand new mount with no points in speed will go at 203% while sprinting, so faster than you can get on foot, but barely.
  • xXSilverDragonXx
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    I have a nearly fully leveled mount. Only one. On my main. The ride is glorious. Very fast, don't seem to need or use stam. No mobs bother it. It's my favorite to ride. I think the stam level makes it ride better.

    I really wish we could buy more than one training per day. I wish we could choose level 1 space, 1 speed and 1 stam a day if we wanted. It's a needlessly tedious grind to build a horse over half a year. I mean, it really is stupidly ridiculous. MMO or not.

    But mounts in this game are poorly done. They're half dead when you get them. It's literally faster to run until at least 15 days of speed, even with the assault passive it's still not that good. Truly. In GW2 you could grind and get a damn flying dragon. A FLYING DRAGON. Sure it was a grid, But it was worth it! Where's my freaking dragon? Eh? Where is it ZOS ??? IF GW2 can do it, surely you can. And I'm not talking about some crown store *** either. LOL
    Edited by xXSilverDragonXx on March 1, 2022 6:40AM
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    Again, so many design choices are made at corporate level decision making, they didn't ask if it was fun, they asked how to keep players coming back.
    And it's one of the reasons I don't want to make alt characters.
    Having to go through all tamriel getting all skyshards and leveling mounts and replaying all quests again feels rather depressing.
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    Fennwitty wrote: »
    Those things used to be tied TO THE INDIVIDUAL MOUNT.

    Think about that, you buy a new horse, it's effectively useless for 60+ days.

    But yes people in fact do spend money on it because they're impatient.

    Didn't we also have to feed mounts specific food to level up a specific attribute back at launch like apples? I don't miss the individual mount leveling at all, in fact I wish my mount level on my main applied to alts too at this point.
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    Fennwitty wrote: »
    Those things used to be tied TO THE INDIVIDUAL MOUNT.

    Think about that, you buy a new horse, it's effectively useless for 60+ days.

    But yes people in fact do spend money on it because they're impatient.

    Didn't we also have to feed mounts specific food to level up a specific attribute back at launch like apples? I don't miss the individual mount leveling at all, in fact I wish my mount level on my main applied to alts too at this point.
    Yes the original system was that you mount had 50 upgrades. Speed stamina and inventory.
    Most had an PvE horse with only storage, then an PvP horse with 50-60 speed and a bit stamina.
    And this one always forgot to switch horse before entering Cyrodil who was annoying.

    With the change to crown mounts this would not work well so they let you instead level riding and will get to maximum in all skills. Downside is that it takes 3 times as long or half a year.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Marginis
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    Back in my day I leveled up each mount individually. Had six horses - every mount in the game at that time. I had three mounts with a maxed out stat each, and then the other three were used for cosmetics, as you had to have at least 20 in a skill for the visuals to change on the mount.

    It wasn't as bad as one might imagine, however, because each horse had a lower max level (one could not max out all three stats on a single mount), so it did not take as long to max out a mount. One could also level up multiple mounts at once, so it was a decent money sink at the time.

    Furthermore, I kind of like how it made mounts feel like individuals, or even actual NPCs, rather than cosmetics for your character, and even put a little bit of a game into how you would level up your mount. Even if a mount was designed for combat, for example, not worrying about inventory, one would still have to choose whether to make the mount hardier to withstand more hits, or faster to better escape hits. If doing crafting runs, how much should one invest in inventory versus speed?

    Not that it was better than the current system, but it did have its upsides.
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