PVP OUTFIT REQUIRES NO PVP

Noerra · February 2022

This outfit that we can obtain in Imperial City that is supposed to be prestigious and untradable requires no PVP or PVP SKILL.

It requires Key Fragments which are often sold via Guild Traders. It would be very easy for someone to get this Outfit Style of Great Prestige without battling another PvP player.

To me... this makes me not even want to get this outfit as it will not radiate any sort of accomplishment as it is extremely easy to obtain.

I love PvP, and this added reward is a welcomed effort... but it is falling short of it's goal...

I am requesting that these outfit style be moved to having to require PVP achievements to unlock.

Something like:
-kill 1000 players
-Reach (x) rank in cyrodiil
-Have collected 100,000 Tel Var Stones in Imperial City
-Has Complete 50 Battlegrounds
-Collected all skyshards in Imperial City and Cyrodiil

Having to do all of these is much more aligned with what was described in the reveal.

(A prestigious outfit that you have to earn... "Get Good")

If this "pvp" reward is left as is it will become a meme among pvpers as it will not be Prestigious reward at all.

Sheezabeast · February 2022

Maybe even an Assault/Support rank of 10 to gain access to it.

LonePirate · February 2022

If the rewards are supposed to be elite PVP rewards, sell them for 5,000,000 AP each. A full seven piece outfit would be roughly the same amount of AP as it takes to reach PVP Rank 41 (General). Otherwise, you just need to buy a lot of key fragments, maybe 1800 total for 30 keys, drink an Invisibility potion (or be a Nightblade) and enter one of the IC trophy vaults while carrying 10,000 tel var (which you can easily obtain from two months of daily rewards usually). Given that the Nibenese Court Wizard pages may sometimes drop instead, you will need some extra keys for those and for duplicates. Still, I expect a lot of people who want the outfit will have it shortly after the DLC drops.

DUTCH_REAPER · February 2022

? What? Just get the thing and sell it. You don’t have to wear it if it makes you not feel special or you don’t like it. But it’s another way to make gold

$$$$$

Spell-Slinger · February 2022

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

? What? Just get the thing and sell it. You don’t have to wear it if it makes you not feel special or you don’t like it. But it’s another way to make gold $$$$$

You can't sell it. That's what makes it doubly stupid.

Faulgor · February 2022

God forbid they add something worthwhile to purchase with AP.
Or even Gladiator Tokens.

Brrrofski · February 2022

Nothing in IC is PvP related.

It's just people pve farming at quiet times, and the moment they get killed they leave and come back the next day when they think it'll be dead.

Wolfkeks · February 2022

Drops of the new pvp style pages are also bugged as you can get duplicates (which makes no sense as they are bound to your account) and they don't stack. So they kinda only take up bag space after you learned it.

NerfSeige · February 2022

Yeah, use telvar as the currency not key frags. Or tie it up on a pvp achievement or rotw while inside IC.

DrSlaughtr · February 2022

LonePirate wrote: »

If the rewards are supposed to be elite PVP rewards, sell them for 5,000,000 AP each. A full seven piece outfit would be roughly the same amount of AP as it takes to reach PVP Rank 41 (General). Otherwise, you just need to buy a lot of key fragments, maybe 1800 total for 30 keys, drink an Invisibility potion (or be a Nightblade) and enter one of the IC trophy vaults while carrying 10,000 tel var (which you can easily obtain from two months of daily rewards usually). Given that the Nibenese Court Wizard pages may sometimes drop instead, you will need some extra keys for those and for duplicates. Still, I expect a lot of people who want the outfit will have it shortly after the DLC drops.

You already get titles (and rewards for those titles) that you can wear you display your accomplishments. Locking an outfit behind 60 million AP would just enrage everyone but the 2 or 3 people who could afford it and were willing to drop that much.

Maybe they should've given a shot to get a page via RotW? Kinda like the BG pages.

Noerra · February 2022

Some videos on this topic:

https://youtu.be/RkRnC7zAt9Q

https://youtu.be/EvfroC1jxP4

Vaoh · February 2022

Why is it so complicated to make new PvP collectibles that actually require PvP 😐

Even something like kill 1000 players in Cyrodiil, or an outfit/mount for PvP rank 50.
Heal 1,000,000,000 points of allied health.
Tank 1,000,000,000 points of damage.
Deal 1,000,000,000 points of damage.

xDeusEJRx · February 2022

"Time to get good" as the Devs said, good at killing mobs for 2 hours in an empty server and get good at Crown Crate style RNG with imperial vaults

VaranisArano · February 2022

It's an interesting idea to test out the theory that people would actually farm stuff in Imperial City if they have no risk of losing their items.

You can't lose key fragments. So the people who want this but can't win fights can happily farm without losing progress through PVP.

While, yes, you can buy key fragments, it's also a nice way to add value to key frags and encourage players to go farm them for sale.

Of course, that assumes there are enough players who actually want to farm in a PVP zone even when they can't lose the item. Most of the complaints I hear from previous similar items like leads and monster helms were from players who didn't want to be in Imperial City at all, whether or not they lost the item.

jaws343 · February 2022

Everyone will have this set after farming Fragments during Whitestrakes Mayhem. Double drops on Key frags usually.

Kartalin · February 2022

Plot twist: ZOS is secretly about to make key frags bind on pickup?

At least we still get some of the best dyes from pvp content: fire drake's flame, legate black, overlord purple, general's gold... The battleground outfits are pretty nice too. A sweet mount that is unlocked through pvp would be good, like the crown store stuff that has ridiculous animations when they show up.

Still hoping for a 12 person battle wagon so our raid lead can drive us around cyrodiil lol

NoxiousBlight · February 2022

Noerra wrote: »

Some videos on this topic:
https://youtu.be/EvfroC1jxP4

Since the items cannot be traded, ZOS really needs to make it so you can't get dupes in the chests. Burning thousands of key fragments doesn't feel rewarding.

Aldoss · February 2022

I was happy to hear about the costume, despite thinking how dumb it looked.

If key fragments are the primary way to get it, then ZOS once again makes a decision that turns it into the bicycle meme:

What a missed opportunity to add it to an alliance rank, allowing the player the choice to PvP in whatever style suits them more.

DUTCH_REAPER · February 2022

Spell-Slinger wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

? What? Just get the thing and sell it. You don’t have to wear it if it makes you not feel special or you don’t like it. But it’s another way to make gold $$$$$

You can't sell it. That's what makes it doubly stupid.

Hahahaaha you can’t sell it!? Oh Lort

xylena_lazarow · February 2022

There's prestige in PvP? Even the "Grand Overlord" title is a meme now.

TechMaybeHic · February 2022

Really?! I have a ton of key fragments to sell

etchedpixels · February 2022

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Maybe even an Assault/Support rank of 10 to gain access to it.

That doesn't work. You can (and people do) repair walls to assault/support 10 because they hate PvP.

Some part of the costume needs to come from actual PvP quest achievements (kill 'n' players etc). Even better instead of a silly outfit a mythic.

Noerra · February 2022

Aldoss wrote: »

I was happy to hear about the costume, despite thinking how dumb it looked.

If key fragments are the primary way to get it, then ZOS once again makes a decision that turns it into the bicycle meme:

What a missed opportunity to add it to an alliance rank, allowing the player the choice to PvP in whatever style suits them more.

oh my goodness… I almost spit out my coffee with this one xD

redspecter23 · February 2022

I'm actually legitimately concerned at this point that ZOS isn't aware that Key Fragments drop from mobs and not players.

VaranisArano · February 2022

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm actually legitimately concerned at this point that ZOS isn't aware that Key Fragments drop from mobs and not players.

Players still have to farm the Key Fragments in Imperial City which is PVP-enabled. Sure, they could quickly try to buy the things up cheap now from guild stores, but I don't expect that to last long once more players realize this.

redspecter23 · February 2022

VaranisArano wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm actually legitimately concerned at this point that ZOS isn't aware that Key Fragments drop from mobs and not players.

Players still have to farm the Key Fragments in Imperial City which is PVP-enabled. Sure, they could quickly try to buy the things up cheap now from guild stores, but I don't expect that to last long once more players realize this.

But the main point still stands. Your ability to farm key fragments if anything is a measure of your ability to avoid pvp and how well you farm mobs. Possibly your ability to parse guild traders. Your pvp skill level barely factors in.

VaranisArano · February 2022

redspecter23 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm actually legitimately concerned at this point that ZOS isn't aware that Key Fragments drop from mobs and not players.

Players still have to farm the Key Fragments in Imperial City which is PVP-enabled. Sure, they could quickly try to buy the things up cheap now from guild stores, but I don't expect that to last long once more players realize this.

But the main point still stands. Your ability to farm key fragments if anything is a measure of your ability to avoid pvp and how well you farm mobs. Possibly your ability to parse guild traders. Your pvp skill level barely factors in.

Maybe?

One could reasonably argue that Tel Var is also a measure of your ability to avoid PVP in a PVP enabled zone (not gonna lie, I got the vast majority of my Tel Var from farming NPCs). Even AP can be gotten from repairing keeps (and people have gotten Grand Overlord from just repairing). Both of those can be gotten from Daily Login Rewards.

The way I see it, either players go farm the Key Fragments themselves. Or they buy them, which actually makes Key Fragments worth selling for the PVPers in IC. Giving players a reason to go to Imperial City and a profitable thing to sell from IC is a good thing in my book.

I guess it's a matter of whether we'd rather have a PVP-only brag item, in which case, it should probably be tied to player kills...oh, wait, I know several friends of mine who decided to cheese their 50 kills for the Whitestrake's achievements via dueling each other in Cyrodiil.

So I guess I'm pleased enough with the thought that this might actually get players to IC and reward the players who farm there.

Arttea · February 2022

VaranisArano wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm actually legitimately concerned at this point that ZOS isn't aware that Key Fragments drop from mobs and not players.

Players still have to farm the Key Fragments in Imperial City which is PVP-enabled. Sure, they could quickly try to buy the things up cheap now from guild stores, but I don't expect that to last long once more players realize this.

While it is possible to receive key fragments from killing mobs in IC, you can also receive key fragments from running the Imperial City dungeons: White Gold Tower, and Imperial City Prison. I get the impression that this is how most of the community gets their key fragments, which further reinforces the notion that these rewards are not entirely exclusive to pvpers. You don't need to pvp at all to receive fragments o.o

(Also, hello OP and ty for sharing my video

)

SeaUnicorn · February 2022

I don't PVP and I bough millions worth of Key Fragments to gamble SPC ice staff... So nothing stops me from getting the costume.

jaws343 · February 2022

VaranisArano wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm actually legitimately concerned at this point that ZOS isn't aware that Key Fragments drop from mobs and not players.

Players still have to farm the Key Fragments in Imperial City which is PVP-enabled. Sure, they could quickly try to buy the things up cheap now from guild stores, but I don't expect that to last long once more players realize this.

But the main point still stands. Your ability to farm key fragments if anything is a measure of your ability to avoid pvp and how well you farm mobs. Possibly your ability to parse guild traders. Your pvp skill level barely factors in.

Maybe?

One could reasonably argue that Tel Var is also a measure of your ability to avoid PVP in a PVP enabled zone (not gonna lie, I got the vast majority of my Tel Var from farming NPCs). Even AP can be gotten from repairing keeps (and people have gotten Grand Overlord from just repairing). Both of those can be gotten from Daily Login Rewards.

The way I see it, either players go farm the Key Fragments themselves. Or they buy them, which actually makes Key Fragments worth selling for the PVPers in IC. Giving players a reason to go to Imperial City and a profitable thing to sell from IC is a good thing in my book.

I guess it's a matter of whether we'd rather have a PVP-only brag item, in which case, it should probably be tied to player kills...oh, wait, I know several friends of mine who decided to cheese their 50 kills for the Whitestrake's achievements via dueling each other in Cyrodiil.

So I guess I'm pleased enough with the thought that this might actually get players to IC and reward the players who farm there.

I don't think this would be getting as much push back as it is if it weren't for their wording making this out to be some unique, exclusive, PVP reward. It's not. It's no different than the other motifs they have done with Key Fragments, or the Monster sets.

They take that wording out and not hype this as a PVP reward and no one would be having this conversation right now. Plus, with the ease of access to this, especially with double drops during events for key frags, making this untradable is just an attempt to add "value" to it as a reward, even though most players who want it will have it on patch day.

redspecter23 · February 2022

jaws343 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I'm actually legitimately concerned at this point that ZOS isn't aware that Key Fragments drop from mobs and not players.

Players still have to farm the Key Fragments in Imperial City which is PVP-enabled. Sure, they could quickly try to buy the things up cheap now from guild stores, but I don't expect that to last long once more players realize this.

But the main point still stands. Your ability to farm key fragments if anything is a measure of your ability to avoid pvp and how well you farm mobs. Possibly your ability to parse guild traders. Your pvp skill level barely factors in.

Maybe?

One could reasonably argue that Tel Var is also a measure of your ability to avoid PVP in a PVP enabled zone (not gonna lie, I got the vast majority of my Tel Var from farming NPCs). Even AP can be gotten from repairing keeps (and people have gotten Grand Overlord from just repairing). Both of those can be gotten from Daily Login Rewards.

The way I see it, either players go farm the Key Fragments themselves. Or they buy them, which actually makes Key Fragments worth selling for the PVPers in IC. Giving players a reason to go to Imperial City and a profitable thing to sell from IC is a good thing in my book.

I guess it's a matter of whether we'd rather have a PVP-only brag item, in which case, it should probably be tied to player kills...oh, wait, I know several friends of mine who decided to cheese their 50 kills for the Whitestrake's achievements via dueling each other in Cyrodiil.

So I guess I'm pleased enough with the thought that this might actually get players to IC and reward the players who farm there.

I don't think this would be getting as much push back as it is if it weren't for their wording making this out to be some unique, exclusive, PVP reward. It's not. It's no different than the other motifs they have done with Key Fragments, or the Monster sets.

They take that wording out and not hype this as a PVP reward and no one would be having this conversation right now. Plus, with the ease of access to this, especially with double drops during events for key frags, making this untradable is just an attempt to add "value" to it as a reward, even though most players who want it will have it on patch day.

I agree with that take completely. The item and the way to acquire it isn't even an issue. Why they decided to hype it as a pvp exclusive item is the confusing part. The bind on pickup is just the annoying icing on the cake.