Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
1. Achievement recorded date/source is being tracked as the first toon you log into
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
SeaUnicorn wrote: »1. Achievement recorded date/source is being tracked as the first toon you log into
I don't think this is the case, I logged on my Sorc who had GH some time last year and then on Warden who had GH 2 years ago and it updated from Sorc to Warden in the tracker. It looks like it takes toon who achieved it 1st for the tracker.
I would like to see each toon name in the tracker or just number of the achieves I have gotten. A lot of people are motivated to do 2nd and 3rd trifectas on alternative toons. And that toon name tracking would be a good substitute for that type of incentive.
Some alternative incentive would also work, for example rare Style Pages that only drop when you complete the trifecta, or collectible components that you can morph into something cool akin to event morphable pets.
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
There is a vast difference between a trifecta, whether dungeon or trial, and a clear, or an achievement because you ate a lot of cheese.
You can't relate the two. They are not measureable on the same scale by any metric. The time, investment and effort to acquire trifecta achievements alone makes them "special".
IrishOphidia wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
Very incorrect. A large number of the true end-game players use trifecta tracking as a way of tracking how efficient players are at different content. “I want to push x in x trial.” and someone has 3-4 titles on different characters for that trial then I’m going to take them due to experience. Also, this will inherently make it far more difficult for newer players to get these titles because experienced players will have no reason to join those progressions to help those groups. This will heavily affect a lot of progression groups that rely on those experienced players.
Getting trifectas IS valuable and more prestigious than a vast majority of the content simply due to difficulty alone. Saying they aren’t is simply laughable. Same applies to PvP. “Oh you got Emperor and Grand Overlord on 18 characters?!” No, they got it once. That’s less impressive. You belittling the time and effort other people put into achieving these titles on multiple characters is simple arrogance.
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
There is a vast difference between a trifecta, whether dungeon or trial, and a clear, or an achievement because you ate a lot of cheese.
You can't relate the two. They are not measureable on the same scale by any metric. The time, investment and effort to acquire trifecta achievements alone makes them "special".
SeaUnicorn wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
Exception works for skyshards, so its not impossible. From tech perspective its not impossible either. In addition some of the solutions we have offered are not exception but can be universally applied, such as list of toon names who got the achieves. This will be equally nice for 7-times Godslayer and 30-times master angler.
Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
There is a vast difference between a trifecta, whether dungeon or trial, and a clear, or an achievement because you ate a lot of cheese.
You can't relate the two. They are not measureable on the same scale by any metric. The time, investment and effort to acquire trifecta achievements alone makes them "special".
Special to the few poeple that go for them, absolutly non special for everybody else
Iam not saying its impossible. I simply dont like the stance "hey i can do this content and my rewards deserve special treatment because what i do is the pinacle of the game". Everything should be treated the same way. Otherwise we end up with ppl feeling unfairly treated because whatever they do is viewed as lesser content.
Necrotech_Master wrote: »ive been kind of wanting them to do account wide achievements for quite a long time now
i initially started trying to get as many achievement on my main as possible, however, there were some i just knew i wasnt going to be able to get with him
this led to me just trying to get achievements on whatever toon was able to complete the content the best with their current build to earn the achievement at least once
with titles i was just using whatever the "hardest" title was to get on that particular toon, instead of trying to be creative with them or theming because majority of the titles were on my main
Iam not saying its impossible. I simply dont like the stance "hey i can do this content and my rewards deserve special treatment because what i do is the pinacle of the game". Everything should be treated the same way. Otherwise we end up with ppl feeling unfairly treated because whatever they do is viewed as lesser content.
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
willymancer69 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »ive been kind of wanting them to do account wide achievements for quite a long time now
i initially started trying to get as many achievement on my main as possible, however, there were some i just knew i wasnt going to be able to get with him
this led to me just trying to get achievements on whatever toon was able to complete the content the best with their current build to earn the achievement at least once
with titles i was just using whatever the "hardest" title was to get on that particular toon, instead of trying to be creative with them or theming because majority of the titles were on my main
Now, would you ever redo those achievements again on another toon? In short, is there any replayability that exists for you for those achievements?
Many of us, RPers who love the mainland stories or people who push trial clears, stay on this game for their unique ability to allow us to "re-earn" achievements. This has been removed from the game, removing many sectors of the playerbase's motivation to keep playing after many years of playing.
willymancer69 wrote: »Many of us, RPers who love the mainland stories or people who push trial clears, stay on this game for their unique ability to allow us to "re-earn" achievements. This has been removed from the game, removing many sectors of the playerbase's motivation to keep playing after many years of playing.
soulreaper1213 wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
This is a *** reason to remove the ability to individually get a trifecta per character. The people who have 1 trifecta do not lose anything from individual trifecta/title tracking. The people who have multiple trifectas lose a physical, in-game reason to pursue another trifecta but on a different character. Most of end-game pve players want individual title tracking as that is the reason to do a piece of content multiple times.
Instead, you should stop diminishing the importance that people place into the individual character tracking of trifectas. Trifectas exist, my level 3 warden didn't get TTT.
Necrotech_Master wrote: »willymancer69 wrote: »Necrotech_Master wrote: »ive been kind of wanting them to do account wide achievements for quite a long time now
i initially started trying to get as many achievement on my main as possible, however, there were some i just knew i wasnt going to be able to get with him
this led to me just trying to get achievements on whatever toon was able to complete the content the best with their current build to earn the achievement at least once
with titles i was just using whatever the "hardest" title was to get on that particular toon, instead of trying to be creative with them or theming because majority of the titles were on my main
Now, would you ever redo those achievements again on another toon? In short, is there any replayability that exists for you for those achievements?
Many of us, RPers who love the mainland stories or people who push trial clears, stay on this game for their unique ability to allow us to "re-earn" achievements. This has been removed from the game, removing many sectors of the playerbase's motivation to keep playing after many years of playing.
i dont see why you cant still redo the requirements of those achievements, from the way i see it, your still doing the same content just on a different toon, to me it would be more about the enjoyment of the group of people you are running it with
i personally havent gotten any of those trifecta achievements yet, but if i wanted a challenge i would still try to do them, even if i had already completed them (i may want to help a friend get it, or just because i wanted to do it again)
to me the achievement should be a representation of the first time you accomplished something in the game, but not necessarily the entire reason you were running the content in the first place
under your logic i should never even bother doing dungeon HMs for any dungeon even FG1 again, even though ive done that many many times and not just for undaunted pledges
i mean no disrespect if you want to keep achievements tracked per character, i personally would have just been happy if they had touched up the achievement page to see how much you had completed in total and which characters had which achievement, but im also not unhappy with the way they are implementing it, as it wont change the way im going to play
honglatongla wrote: »Turns out endgame raiders might actually big one of the bigger roleplayers of all.
Jokes aside, just add all character names that have earned the respective achievement to the "Earned by" section of the popup.
soulreaper1213 wrote: »Skjaldbjorn wrote: »2. Trifecta Tracking
You guys should stop trying to elevate the importance of this content beyond anything else. Trifectas exist, a few ppl get them, fewer do them a number of times, but they are not more valueable than someone spending the time for something else. Expecting an exception for this is basically saying "Iam fine with your content becoming account wide but i want an exception for mine". This is not going to work.
This is a *** reason to remove the ability to individually get a trifecta per character. The people who have 1 trifecta do not lose anything from individual trifecta/title tracking. The people who have multiple trifectas lose a physical, in-game reason to pursue another trifecta but on a different character. Most of end-game pve players want individual title tracking as that is the reason to do a piece of content multiple times.
Instead, you should stop diminishing the importance that people place into the individual character tracking of trifectas. Trifectas exist, my level 3 warden didn't get TTT.
Then write on paper ?? i did let say 5 Trifecta in SG + 2 TTT + 3 IR etc... on one same char this mean i lose something ? no i play for fun ... and who cares how much trifecta you got... Then i guess when you play games like dark souls you buy 3 copies on 3 different steam account to have full 100% achiv on mage build + warrior build + archer build ??
This is only a game and if someone is saying he is losing something here i think he need to go outsite like rly...
One more thing before this "achiv" era which comes i think from xbox , ppl just enjoy playing the game. Now i think most of them lost the idea of playing the game...