We keep on saying this but they keep on doing it. I wonder why...

Same reason we never got a 'hide shoulders option', the same one we had in beta.

At least the hip flaps saves this one’s money. One look at it and all inclination to spend crowns is gone.

M0ntie wrote: »

This has been said many many times, but I look at the brand new Motif 105 Crimson Oath Style and the light armour skirt has the horrible ugly stupid looking hip flaps. Why, ZOS, Why?? They just look ridiculous! Skirts don't have floating hip flaps. Please stop it!

^^^^^ This right here....Why ZOS??

Fennwitty wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin

Sorry to ping you on this Kevin, but it's true the players have asked for YEARS that something be addressed with the very large flaps/pads on nearly all the outfit styles in the game.

There are dozens of these threads.

Are the developers aware of this concern? If there's some technical consideration or design decision that everything has to be this way, maybe they could share it so we stop asking.

Just a question, but what happens if the side flaps are just the way that they want it? Part of the ESO look-and-feel.

Elsonso wrote: »

Fennwitty wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin

Sorry to ping you on this Kevin, but it's true the players have asked for YEARS that something be addressed with the very large flaps/pads on nearly all the outfit styles in the game.

There are dozens of these threads.

Are the developers aware of this concern? If there's some technical consideration or design decision that everything has to be this way, maybe they could share it so we stop asking.

Just a question, but what happens if the side flaps are just the way that they want it? Part of the ESO look-and-feel.

Helmets are presumably the way they want it, but at least we have the option to hide them now.

I'd be interested to know if there's a technical reason for why we can't hide shoulders or whether it's ideological (like if ZOS wants to limit the player ability to hide chest pieces so that skimpy armors and costumes are more desirable.)

I'd also be interested to know if there's a technical reason for not having the option to hide hip and butt flaps. I'd guess so - in that it requires editing meshes and textures off of an existing piece of armor, but it would be nice to know that officially instead of speculative from my limited experience modding Skyrim.

Ideological reasons i.e. "It's the ESO look and feel" at least let us know where the Devs stand so people can quit hoping if they feel like it. Or not - I'm still hoping the Companions will get to equip helmets one day.

Please, for the love of Pete, just give us the option to hide anything but pants already!

VaranisArano wrote: »

Helmets are presumably the way they want it, but at least we have the option to hide them now.

I'd be interested to know if there's a technical reason for why we can't hide shoulders or whether it's ideological (like if ZOS wants to limit the player ability to hide chest pieces so that skimpy armors and costumes are more desirable.)

I'd also be interested to know if there's a technical reason for not having the option to hide hip and butt flaps. I'd guess so - in that it requires editing meshes and textures off of an existing piece of armor, but it would be nice to know that officially instead of speculative from my limited experience modding Skyrim.

Ideological reasons i.e. "It's the ESO look and feel" at least let us know where the Devs stand so people can quit hoping if they feel like it. Or not - I'm still hoping the Companions will get to equip helmets one day.

I classify "hide shoulders" as just something they have not done. Whether they will decide to do it is a matter of time and ideology. As you say, they already do it for the head. Shoulders isn't "free" but they have definitely paved the way.

The "hide flaps" is more of a sticky issue. There are a number of ways to do it, but all of them have technical aspects to it. No matter how they do this, it would seem that they would have to update every single item that has them. I expect that they are an integral part of the model that was never designed to be hidden. For that reason, I classify this as "technical" with a side order of "we can spend our time better by doing other things".

Hide flaps... This is one of those issues where I wish they would step up and just say something like "yes, it is something we are considering, but not part of any plans" or "no, we will never do this".

Fennwitty wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin

Sorry to ping you on this Kevin, but it's true the players have asked for YEARS that something be addressed with the very large flaps/pads on nearly all the outfit styles in the game.

There are dozens of these threads.

Are the developers aware of this concern? If there's some technical consideration or design decision that everything has to be this way, maybe they could share it so we stop asking.

to make it short it is not about developers. It is about decisions taken by the stuborn game management. They probably think that hip protectors are something making ESO special. IMHO they are not special. What worse they are ugly and miserable part of armor making people look like elderly sick people. Hip protectors were never part of any medieval armor and they are absolutely rubish even in fantasy world.
They remind me huge engines on Boeing 737 MAX.It was another epic decision taken by stuborn management.
Be glad that ugly hip protectors dont have grave consequences they are only painful to look on them.

kojou wrote: »

I would love to give a full list of various design blunders where there is clipping, mismatched waists, floating pieces, flaps that defy gravity, etc. All of which have kept me from using or buying a particular outfit style or costume, but many have been pointed out and none have been addressed. Ever...

So I just look over costumes and motifs, and I just don't buy them if they have elements I don't like.

One thing I would propose to the Dev/Art team:

Take a relatively popular costume with a flap(s) (Dark Passions Regalia for example) and make a version without flaps and put it in the store. If it doesn't generate any additional sales then continue doing whatever in the future, but if it does generate more sales, then you might consider more outfits and costumes like that in the future. It seems like it would be a relatively low effort way to generate more revenue and settle the matter once and for all.

As I said, it is not about developers or artists and management dont care about some little extra revenue if they sell some more of motifs when flaps disabling is introduced. It is all about branding. Any screenshot from MMORPG with huge ugly flaps screams on you - this is ESO. This is important for them.
The only way is to ask 3rd party people making addons to create one hiding these ugly things.
But I doubt it is possible to do easy way as it is altering a lot of things in graphic design.

SammyKhajit wrote: »

At least the hip flaps saves this one’s money. One look at it and all inclination to spend crowns is gone.

Exactly! I would buy the Evergloam Champion motif style except it has floating tassets!

There are some styles that don’t have these at all (wood elf being the first that comes to mind) and some where the light and/or medium armor has something fitting — more decorative (Sunspire) or a belt of knives (Assassins League) — and of course actual armor tassets will often be fitting on heavy armor styles. But why floating metal plates on robes of all things???

Since it is possible to even hide back flaps (as someone pointed out on Khajiit and Argonians) which I would presume are attached to the chest piece, I don’t see why we couldn’t have a Hide Tassets option.

I'm a bit disturbed by the miniskirt trend; my warriors are not Hollywood gladiators.

But on the topic, tassets should not float nor should shoulders. I find floating pieces very unsettling until I shoot fireballs out of my feet or walk on my bow.

Bottom line: options are good. If tassets can float maybe they can be toggled off.

@M0ntie Or enabled "IN_WORLD_UI_SETTING_HIDE_TASSETS"

Front, rear and hip flaps do bother me on some sets, so I try to avoid them when I can.
Mostly what burns my eyes the most is the awful clipping that happens with them.

Either from the crotch\butt flaps looking like they are cutting into your legs during some animations\poses or hip-sheathed weapons clipping into, or under, many of the hip flaps.

Designing a motif to account for the full range of character body builds\weights\heights would be challenging so I imagined this was why many look like they are floating 5 inches away from the characters legs.

To get around the clipping you'd have to do something like design the hip\butt flaps with enough rigging\"joints" that they crush and fold naturally around the legs\rear when crouching or sitting.
Things like that may just be beyond technical capabilities of an older engine.

But like others have said if they'd wish to correct or modify these things it likely would have already happened, so I won't hold my breath.