of all things needed, this is not one of them

Having a 1000 tri-pots on my character is perfectly normal. And yes I do start to panic when I get to 800 or so.

So, to summarize:

PvP - how dare you try to look at my super secret build that will kill you all!

PvE - evil toxic kicking is evil

Fashion - wish I could just look at their motifs. /sigh






(honestly, though, I find people /whispering me - or worse /friending me; big brother is watching when you log in and out! Gah! - to be much more "privacy invading" than /inspect. But, then, I'm odd.)

spitfire1525 wrote: »

This is ridiculous its not in game. It helps alot of new or returning players with what they should wear. I know as returning player... im blindsighted by all the different attributes and stats with new skill tree + combinning with gear sets....

Going with the chorus; Oh heck to the max, no.

Knowing what the most uberest elitist of the ubergods wear helps no one. I do crafting for my guilds. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to help a new/returning player with crafted gear only to find they *knew* they need set "X" because that's what the bestest players/whichever build site they were using said they needed. Except set "X" was a drop only set, and could only be gotten with many repetitions of a dungeon and the blessings of the RNG gremlins. I couldn't get this concept across to at least one of the people who asked for gear. "You can use the crafted sets to get you to the point where you can do the content to get the pieces of the set you want to drop in loot." "NO. YOU'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING ME. I WANT THIS SET BECAUSE WEBSITE UBERLEET SAID IT WAS THE BESTEST GEAR."

You're also missing the fact that some people invent their own BIS gear to suit the way they like to play. I've made 3 different sets of crafted gear for a vampire who wanted to use potions while they cleared arenas; mixing the pieces of the sets to suit. My characters wouldn't last two seconds with the gear they wanted, but it worked for them. If anyone "inspected" their setup, it would have lead to a lot of pointless questions and jeering from elitist types.

Indeed what could go wrong with that...

There's already esologs, could always use that for an idea what people are running. It's not the same but more than enough for that purpose.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

spitfire1525 wrote: »

This is ridiculous its not in game. It helps alot of new or returning players with what they should wear. I know as returning player... im blindsighted by all the different attributes and stats with new skill tree + combinning with gear sets....

If your doing high-end endgame content, you can work with your group and simply ask them what they're wearing (or ask them to link) so you can coordinate.

I agree, and this is the group that players should be able to trust with information about builds. Getting build data from some random passed in Daggerfall, or some dungeon, isn't very useful. Many builds are specific to that player and where they are in the game content. Probably the most common reason to get build information from a random in a dungeon is to critique it, and that isn't always going to end well.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

I get what you are trying to go for here, but I can totally see it being abused by neckbeardy players telling other people how they "need" to be playing the game.

Those types of people are going to exist regardless and in four-person content it doesn't take a DD much to realise they're pulling more than their fair share (or even 12-person considering you could be doing 20-30% if someone is only doing 2-4%, or a few people doing much less than expected). If they were one of those toxic elitist players who wanted to kick you based on what you're wearing, they'd just kick you because of what Combat Metrics told them in the last fight, or in a trial they might just watch and see what you're doing. Imagine a world where people used their eyeballs instead of just addons *gasp*. They don't need to see your gear to kick you if they take a notion.

On the flip side, if you're open to learning and improving (not everyone cares, and I fully understand that there a multitude of ways to play the game, none of which invalidates anyone's individual playstyle), that person might give you advice rather than kicking you; and the advice might not even be specifically "y u no wear Kilt and Bahsei meta," it might even be something you've simply overlooked. I know most people are not a fan of unsolicited advice, but you can always just say "Thanks, I'll bear it in mind" and completely ignore it, or you can take it to heart and actually try it if you haven't already.

There are as many reasons for it as there are against it.

I would like this as well. I think it would be really helpful for learning how to people are able to do certain things when you see them in-game. There are SOOOO many different sets and possible combinations. We probably can't test every possible combination at this point, but I haven't done the math. So it would be helpful to be able to see what's working for others.

Funny that I was just thinking the other day that it would be nice to know what someone's outfit was.

However, snooping on builds definitely leads to negativity as many have said.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

I have already seen friendships end and at least one guild dissolve over arguments over gear and build choices during what was supposed to have been a set of fun dungeon runs. We don't need pug drama to have this as well.

I lost a friend in WoW years ago over a build. We were both Rogues and he thought I should be using his build. I said I was happy with mine but he kept pressuring. He got so upset that I wouldn't change that it soon turned into harassment.

He sent me very offensive tells and in game mails and called me filthy names. This was before you could put an account on ignore, so every time I ignored a character he just created a new one to continue the harassment. I finally submitted a ticket and they read the mails he had sent me. I never saw him in game again.

Unsolicited "advice" is not helpful and is very likely to create conflict. And I can guarantee it will be used to "help" whether we want it or not.

SilverBride wrote: »

Troodon80 wrote: »

There are as many reasons for it as there are against it.

I haven't seen any good reasons mentioned. Getting unsolicited advice is intrusive, not helpful.

Strongly disagree. I've seen a few in this topic, as well as others, and even other MMOs. Just because you refuse to acknowledge something as good or bad doesn't, objectively, make it so. But then again, this falls outside the purview of discussion on merits and downsides and more into the realm of purely personal opinion.

I acknowledge there is bad. Games like FFXIV prohibit addons in general (though there are no client side checks for things like external damage sharing, so some can be used on a "don't ask, don't tell" basis), but more specifically stated as things like damage share addons because of potential elitist and toxic behaviour. However, they do allow an Inspect feature. ESO, rather, is the opposite and, in my opinion, has more toxicity because of it; it's much easier to go "Wait... I'm doing 90% of the group DPS..." and kick the other DD for no other reason. In FFXIV, you never really know exactly how much you or the other person is doing. In ESO, they don't need to see your gear to vote kick, they can see their own percentage damage done via addons. If ever there was a reason to kick someone, it's because of their DPS and not simply because of what they're wearing. And even if you're wearing off-meta gear, it doesn't mean your damage has to be abysmal. If DPS is the "issue," it's likely not just your gear that's the "problem."

Unpopular opinion, at least according to many people in this topic: If someone can help me do better, I'm all for hearing it. Obviously, being able to tell the difference between destructive criticism and constructive criticism goes a long way. If someone is just going to message me saying "You suck" then nothing good comes from that. If someone messages me saying "Hey, I see you are using this, I recommend doing this instead because XYZ reasons," explaining their reasoning and logic, much good can be gained from it.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Okay so I decided to check out the math. According to ESO sets there are currently 533 sets of gear in this game.

And to keep things simple, I wanted to see how many possible combinations there were if we combined any 2 sets. Now most people wear more than 2 sets, but I wanted to keep it simple enough for a calculator to determine how many sets we can wear. 15 of those sets are antiquities that cannot be combined with each other, so I am going to exclude those too. So that's 518 sets.

That leaves us with 133,903 possible combinations of just 2 sets, and that number would of course increase if we added antiquities or a 3rd set into the mix.

Is this just main body sets, or are you also counting in monster/Undaunted sets, and parts of monster sets? And Mythic items? And Arena "Ability Altering" weapons?

SilverBride wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

I have already seen friendships end and at least one guild dissolve over arguments over gear and build choices during what was supposed to have been a set of fun dungeon runs. We don't need pug drama to have this as well.

I lost a friend in WoW years ago over a build. We were both Rogues and he thought I should be using his build. I said I was happy with mine but he kept pressuring. He got so upset that I wouldn't change that it soon turned into harassment.

He sent me very offensive tells and in game mails and called me filthy names. This was before you could put an account on ignore, so every time I ignored a character he just created a new one to continue the harassment. I finally submitted a ticket and they read the mails he had sent me. I never saw him in game again.

Unsolicited "advice" is not helpful and is very likely to create conflict. And I can guarantee it will be used to "help" whether we want it or not.

WOW, that's insane! I can't imagine how someone can get that worked up over someone else's build. That dude was a creep. I honestly only ever seen it be like a dumb disagreement in a pug group, not something that extreme. That's wild to me.

Troodon80 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Troodon80 wrote: »

There are as many reasons for it as there are against it.

I haven't seen any good reasons mentioned. Getting unsolicited advice is intrusive, not helpful.

Strongly disagree. I've seen a few in this topic, as well as others, and even other MMOs. Just because you refuse to acknowledge something as good or bad doesn't, objectively, make it so. But then again, this falls outside the purview of discussion on merits and downsides and more into the realm of purely personal opinion.

I acknowledge there is bad. Games like FFXIV prohibit addons in general (though there are no client side checks for things like external damage sharing, so some can be used on a "don't ask, don't tell" basis), but more specifically stated as things like damage share addons because of potential elitist and toxic behaviour. However, they do allow an Inspect feature. ESO, rather, is the opposite and, in my opinion, has more toxicity because of it; it's much easier to go "Wait... I'm doing 90% of the group DPS..." and kick the other DD for no other reason. In FFXIV, you never really know exactly how much you or the other person is doing. In ESO, they don't need to see your gear to vote kick, they can see their own percentage damage done via addons. If ever there was a reason to kick someone, it's because of their DPS and not simply because of what they're wearing. And even if you're wearing off-meta gear, it doesn't mean your damage has to be abysmal. If DPS is the "issue," it's likely not just your gear that's the "problem."

Unpopular opinion, at least according to many people in this topic: If someone can help me do better, I'm all for hearing it. Obviously, being able to tell the difference between destructive criticism and constructive criticism goes a long way. If someone is just going to message me saying "You suck" then nothing good comes from that. If someone messages me saying "Hey, I see you are using this, I recommend doing this instead because XYZ reasons," explaining their reasoning and logic, much good can be gained from it.

Carry that on a bit.... There are ways to provide help if someone asks for it. If they don't ask for advice...well. That's what the Ignore list is for.

Omnipotent elite: Hey, remember I recommended you switch to sets Q, R and Monster shoulder W yesterday? You know, because its more stamina, health, and fast healing?

Normal player having fun: Yeah, I do. But my character is more magicka than stamina, my health is already maxed with enchantments, and I only do dungeons or trials once in a while. I don't really need to change.

Omnipotent elite: That doesn't make sense. You should totally do what I suggested because that would work a lot better, like it does for my build.

Normal player having fun: It won't work for me; I don't have a stamina character, I don't need the health boost, and I don't need the healing since I'm usually soloing pve stuff.

Omnipotent elite: You are being totally unreasonable. I told you what the best setup is, and you're completely ignoring what I told you. You're never going to improve anything if you won't change everything about how you want to play the game. You'll never git gud and clear the high level end game content if you don't listen to me. If I see you're still using the crappy gear I'll vote to kick in any group you get into.

Normal player having fun: sighs. Clicks on Ignore list, reports player for harassment, and lets the guildmaster know why they dropped the guild.