Problem is everyone sees "fun" differently, same as what roles should actually do. For me personally it's not that tanking is "un-fun", I just don't want to tank for a pugs with no dps, so I'd better queue as a DD with taunt and possibly leash and save support roles for an organised play.

The other problem and a main one imo here is that pve and pvp and balanced together so every small pve change has a huge effect on pvp screwing balance constantly.

What ZOS needs to do? Change encounters that boss mechanics are triggered at certain health-points. High-DMG groups might run into situations where they potentially have overlapping mechanics that introduce further difficulties. Mechanics aren't invalidated by pure out-damaging them. At least mechanics and coordinated group play is what makes encounters fun, not avoiding all of the mechanics by simply blasting through the boss HP pool.

Also, do telegraph things that need to be blocked more properly. Especially when they are hidden by mobs or by almost transparent looking effects that adds difficulties where they are not needed.

Succuby wrote: »

Yes - tank is more responsible - but if more players play tanks we first get some "fake tanks" that are real but not play good, but with some time pass they learn to play and if game play would ve enjoyable they will not play DD in future but play as tanks and it will be simpler find the group and fir tanks to pass even in bad groups and do not fill helpless.

First, Fake tanks are not real newbies playing tanks who just need to learn to play.

Fake tanks are DDs who have zero interest in actually tanking to the point that they refuse to equip a taunt when called out on it. They are only interested in the relatively quick tank queues. Making tanking "fun" for those guys is in vain because they don't give two cents about actually tanking no matter how much you change the role.


Second, my point is that lots of players just don't want the responsibility of being the one in the lead. The one expected to hold aggro and stay alive, no matter what. The one expected to know all the mechanics and execute them properly. The one who, when the tank fails in hard content, the group almost certainly wipes.

You can't make that responsibility fun for someone who doesn't want the pressure to begin with.

For normal dungeons, I queue as a tank and just slot the Undaunted taunt and Elemental Drain, and rotate those in with my regular rotation. If more players learned how to do that then that would solve the problem. You really don't need a legitimate tank on normal dungeons. Just someone that can keep the boss still and roll dodge the "one shot" hits.

It's the things that are fun for tanks to play is extremely annoying for anyone else to play.

It is about taunting and moving mobs and bosses into particular locations for bonuses. for example, the arx coronium boss that you want to hold in the water to prevent it from getting a shield.

Tanks what to be positioning and pushing bosses and mobs around. So you want to give them positioning challengers and mini games.

Succuby wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

It's the things that are fun for tanks to play is extremely annoying for anyone else to play.

It is about taunting and moving mobs and bosses into particular locations for bonuses. for example, the arx coronium boss that you want to hold in the water to prevent it from getting a shield.

Tanks what to be positioning and pushing bosses and mobs around. So you want to give them positioning challengers and mini games.

With such minigames i just delete tank.

It is not any fun.

It's basically just battlefield control. Do tactics like in BC2 such as dragging the twin harvesters around a corner so that DDs can burn them effectively or holding the daedroths off while the DDs burn the boss bother you?

How about keeping the two ogres apart in Scalecaller?

Those are positioning minigames that challenge the tank to provide battlefield control.

One of the things that I enjoy about tanking in ESO is the intricacies of efficiently controlling the battlefield with the tools I have available, single taunt, a few pulls, and CCs. Ironically, low DPS groups is where good tanks really shine in the role of battlefield controller because that group needs all the help they can get managing the heavy hitters and focusing their DPS on grouped targets at once. Some of my most satisfying dungeon runs have been getting low DPS groups to completion through good battlefield control that enables them to make the most of their relatively low DPS.

Thing is, it's pretty unrewarding to play battlefield controller for one low DPS random PUG after another. I enjoy doing it for my IRL friends - love em dearly; DPS is not their forte - but that's why lots of good tanks eventually stop running in the random groupfinder.

It's not that they don't enjoy battlefield control. It's just that they want to run with DDs who they know aren't going to turn a DLC dungeon into an ordeal.

Plenty of other MMOs with "cooler" tanks still have tank shortages.

No matter how much you jack up your tanks, or give them wacky mechanics, etc... it's still the Tank role, with the perceived responsibility of being the Team Leader & keeping everyone from dying, that turns people off. Most people just aren't interested in that role, regardless of DPS, fancy skills, or bribes ("the queue has a tank shortage right now, queue your tank and get Bonus Loot at dungeon end!" I've heard of games doing that...)

Loves_guars wrote: »

For me tanking is fun enough, but I don't play with pugs because of all the people running ahead of me. Sorry I can't stand that.

Secondly what can Zenimax do?

1) Change bosses where tanks are useless like the pinion , etc.

2) Thankless job. Many bosses attack DPS and tank can't taunt those, also a lot of minions can't be taunt because lack of AOE TAUNT. The problem is that no one knows this, and they think it is tank's fault if they die by these. No one knows that they are being buffed a lot by tank either, and you have to sit there and read them bluffing about their dps without having a clue that you were helping them. So , it's not nice playing with pugs, only with friends that understand all this.

You’ve hit on the things I don’t like about tanking in ESO. Especially since the changes to armor, even with Steed’s Blessing, Hasty, etc. I cannot keep up with a group that wishes to run ahead, which makes me want to tank only with people I know or in dungeons with lots of stuff that will kill you if you take it on without a tank.

Even more than this, I really dislike there being untauntable bosses, attacks, whatever, when there’s no visual indicator of this status. I would like more indicated in the game as a tank — what is taunted, what can’t be taunted, what can be interrupted or not, what I should block or had better get out of the way. I want to react to the fight, not memorize each boss or require a suite of add-ons to avoid frustration.

(Edited for clarity.)

Tanks need some help with encounter mechanics. Simply putting down telegraphs is not enough when there are a gazillion dungeons with a bunch of bosses in them.
I can only speak for myself, but I really dont have the brainpower to remember all of that.
And the Tank should know when to kite something or when to soak something etc.
Its a barrier of entry only really dedicated ESOplayers can overcome.
For someone that plays multiple mmos like me its just too much.
I play Tank in many other games. In FF14 the boss mostly tells you what he is about to do and how to counter it. In WoW there are addons that are sooo good for Tanking.
Eso has none of that.