Maybe they were the tank and/or healer, and wearing tank/healer gear?

A guildmate just for fun created a Rubedite build. Just generic armor weapons and jewelry with no traits or enchantments. I think he kept his CP but not 100% sure. He did his normal rotation and was managing between 20-25k damage. No food no potions and no buffs if I am remembering right. Not sure how long his parses were. He is part of our vet trial team so he does know his rotation.
I know this really isn't on topic but it does point out you don't need the good gear to get through most content. You also don't need to stand in front of a dummy to improve your DPS. Join in on a world boss and make a mental note of how you think you did. Change out a couple of skills and sometime later when you do another (or same) boss think back and decide better or worse.
Long ago I had a guild mate watch me on a dummy and after about 15 minutes his suggestions took my DPS from 17k to over 30 with very few changes. He basically in discord was telling me when I was doing my skills early or late. I've continued to get better but early on the jump in DPS was I think huge with just a little effort. He kept Elemental Drain up for me and other than potions that is all the buff I had.

Kwoung wrote: »

Mik195 wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Mik195 wrote: »

If its important for people to know their DPS, the game needs to introduce training for training dummies. I'm not going to spend a half hour focusing to kill a 3 million dummy. Give me dummies that I can use to work my way up that match what I can currently do.

Precursor is fairly good match for delves, so let's get a 300k one for public dungeon bosses and 500k for normal dungeon mini bosses, 1.8mm for normal dungeon bosses and world bosses, 2.5mm for DLC mini bosses. I know that dummies include buffs, but I need stuff that doesn't take forever to get an answer as a starting point.

I am assuming you were exaggerating, because if it takes you 30 min to kill a 3 mil dummy, you would only be doing about 1.7K DPS, and should be seriously focusing on getting better. A slightly above average person doing 17K DPS will kill it in 3 minutes, which isn't very much time at all if you are practicing/testing to see where you can get better.

The few times I tried, it actually took 15 to 20 really boring minutes so yes, my bear has better DPS than I do. I rarely can switch bars, use potions, know that the ultimate went off without looking, roll dodge or block effectively because the hands often don't work. But I have done soloed the base dungeons (on normal), almost managed FG1 on vet, am currently working on doing the first boss in a couple of the undaunted dungeons the cone from the quest giver after the wood elf guy. Pathetic DPS but I do what I can and slowly tey harder stuff. Took me a year to get through FG1.

Yeah, I am older and don't have the ability to do a lot of things the "kids" can myself. You may however, want to check out Hack the Minotaur, who seems to specialize in one bar solo builds, most of which are very easy to obtain. I have just converted my StamBlade to using one, and it has made my gameplay so much more enjoyable. Also, a gaming mouse or gamepad helps a lot, I use both and have mapped almost everything I need to use to one of them, which makes stuff like dodge rolling & blocking considerably easier, as you don't need to move your hands around as much.

I will still never be able to LA Weave or react half as well as many others, but the right build and computer peripherals does help considerably.

Here are some links, I hope they help!
https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/
https://www.razer.com/gaming-keypads/razer-tartarus-v2/RZ07-02270100-R3U1
https://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g502-hero-gaming-mouse.910-005469.html

The the G502 mouse pic you see on that link, I mapped G5 to Dodge and G4 to block, so I can do either by simply rocking my thumb forward or back.

I use a 1-bar build for my ice warden. Got idea's from Hack. Makes it much easier for me. My arthritic fingers makes it tough to min/max or weave. Not even sure I'd know how to light attack weave. I have no idea the damage I do but I don't really care I'm having too much fun. Cheers.

Kwoung wrote: »

Not to mention the zone transition screen that says it is okay to run away from a fight, and come back with better food, gear, potions or more friends,

I'm pretty sure that tip is from before 1Tam & scaling, when you could go away, level up a bit, and come back to curbstomp content.



Anyway, I've never used any kind of dummy or DPS gauge in any of the MMOs I've played. Standing there poking repeatedly at some meatwall sounds boring as heck. Let alone doing it repeatedly with small tweaks in between each attempt.
(I've also never really used buff potions - the idea of chain-chugging potions to 100%-uptime some buff seems totally strange to me; consumables have always been about emergency healing/etc for me. /shrug)

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OP, maybe you can get 17k dps just light attacking*. The general player isn't going to have 80% crit (I think mine is ~34% on my characters right now), let alone some of the other stats you have in that recap screenshot.


(and as others have mentioned, using a trial dummy with piles of buffs & debuffs doesn't really count as "just light attacking")

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

Have you never healed a normal pug dungeon before? Let me tell you some of the ways you can do less than 10k damage because I see it all the time.

Option 1: dps with a 1H + Shield so not only do you not do any dps, but you also keep taunting off the tank on the off chance there is one. I had one of these guys last week; I couldn't figure out why the tank and dps both had 40k health with a shield equipped. The two dps combined did around 12k dps on boss fights.

Option 2: have a bow out and only heavy attack in between roll dodging any time a monster even looks at you. I had one of these today. I thought I had accidentally brought Bastian with me into the dungeon as much roll dodging as I got to see each fight.

Option 3: lay down one aoe skill and then just stand there until it runs out; re-apply if needed. I see this way too much for it not to be a new strategy that someone has put out there convincing people it is the best dps.

O.O how did you even patience

Though i dont do group content as DD, now i have a DD build saved for overland questing.
Mother Sorrow, Diamond Victory, Maw of the Infernal.
DD CP, Thief Mundus.
1 bar setup, deep fissure, unstable ice wall, winters revenge, eternal guardian.
25k single target DPS on world bosses.
This is kind of super relaxed casual DD setup for questing. Other than monster set, everything can be acquired without doing any hard content.

Magio_ wrote: »

People don't care about pulling their own weight.

And this quote tells you exactly why I don't do any challenging group content.

Magio_ wrote: »

People don't care about pulling their own weight.

Rude man. Low level dungeons simply don't need a lot of DPS. There's no reason to be harsh on folks who are doing ok but not what you personally want.

Kwoung wrote: »

blktauna wrote: »

Magio_ wrote: »

People don't care about pulling their own weight.

Rude man. Low level dungeons simply don't need a lot of DPS. There's no reason to be harsh on folks who are doing ok but not what you personally want.

Not entirely rude really. Expecting a newish player to pull their weight is asking a lot, but grouping with a CP 1500 DPS who only does 10K or less DPS, they are definitely not pulling their weight and are basically using other people to get through content

I think if they are already queuing for the proper version of the dungeons that works with their skillset, they are trying to pull their weight. And that people who go into normal dungeons with high dps are the ones going into content not meant for a higher skill level, and then complaining the teams in there are lower skilled.

It's akin to me as if Lebron James went into an amateur basketball tournamet and then complained nobody in the tournament was on his level. I don't care if the person he's calling out is 12 or 37, if they are in the amateur tournament they are doing what they are supposed to be doing. And Mr. James should stick to the NBA if he wants to play with pros.

Auztinito wrote: »

How is it possible? It’s the average dps of the player base. 5-10k is average for most players on ESO. The problem with dps and threads is exactly why ZOS need to kneecap the top players and make “mechanics” like bar-swapping and LA weaving completely optional play styles. In other words, remove the “skill gap”.

A lot of the skill gap in this game is from LA weaving and complicated rotations when it comes to the gap between high level dps and mid level dps.

But the playerbase that is at 5-10k dps are not actually trying to make their dps good. They do things like make themselves tanky, or do things at random that seem fun, and don't care at all about the negative impact this has on their damage. Those people are just not trying to be good at the game and difficult content like dungeons shouldn't be balanced around them. Because even if zos were to remove animation canceling and weaving, these people's dps would still be a quarter of what the mid-tier dps are doing.

The average player of this game is just uninterested in getting good. They just want to play the way they want to play. There's nothing wrong with that, but content meant to offer a challenge shouldn't be balanced around it either. These 5k dps already get overland, dungeons need not cater to them too.

Auztinito wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Auztinito wrote: »

How is it possible? It’s the average dps of the player base. 5-10k is average for most players on ESO. The problem with dps and threads is exactly why ZOS need to kneecap the top players and make “mechanics” like bar-swapping and LA weaving completely optional play styles. In other words, remove the “skill gap”.

A lot of the skill gap in this game is from LA weaving and complicated rotations when it comes to the gap between high level dps and mid level dps.

But the playerbase that is at 5-10k dps are not actually trying to make their dps good. They do things like make themselves tanky, or do things at random that seem fun, and don't care at all about the negative impact this has on their damage. Those people are just not trying to be good at the game and difficult content like dungeons shouldn't be balanced around them. Because even if zos were to remove animation canceling and weaving, these people's dps would still be a quarter of what the mid-tier dps are doing.

The average player of this game is just uninterested in getting good. They just want to play the way they want to play. There's nothing wrong with that, but content meant to offer a challenge shouldn't be balanced around it either. These 5k dps already get overland, dungeons need not cater to them too.

That’s the problem, though. Isn’t it?

It’s not taught.

It’s punishes players that wish to play the way they want.

Everything but overland is catered to mid-high level players. I’d understand vet and world bosses content being the difficult content but that’s not the case. It’s all dungeons, trials, PvP, World Bosses, and ect.

What does 80%+ of the player base get access without ring punished? Overland. Delves. That’s it. That’s all. So at most they get what with their year long arcs? Half the story? Less than half? Why do mid-high level players want story content when they mostly skip it anyway. Their just grinding for the next piece of gear.

Not to mention, ZOS has said the skill gap is a problem because it’s bloated and unhealthy for a majority of content because most players can’t/won’t do it.

Edit: BTW, 80%+ are not hitting mid range dps.

You make some good points. I think overall it's worth remembering that human skill is not a Bell curve, or a median distribution. It's more of a power curve or a long tail curve.

That is - the bottom 80% of players are way closer to each other in skill than the top 20% players are. There's barely a difference between a bottom 10% and bottom 30% player, but there's a *huge* gap between a top 10% and a top 30% player.

For PvP, this is alright. Just slap in a reasonable matchmaker and a ranking system and the problem sorts itself out. But for PvE, it's much harder.

What is impossible to 80% of players is challenging to 10% of players and trivial to 10% of players.

I would however contest the accuracy of your claim regarding that only Overland stuff was accessible to the ordinary player. Honestly with mere 8k damage you can do the base game dungeons.

Also you can get carried by friends, guild mates or just random players.

Normal trials outside of Cloudrest and maybe Rockgrove are also totally doable to ordinary players. You don't need much any DPS and you can get carried by your group.

Personally one of the things I admire about ESO is the moderately high skill ceiling and difficult content. The weaving/animation cancelling system and that most skills are over time, means that a player can keep improving almost endlessly. Even the best DPS players make small mistakes and are not optimal.

I was thrilled when I was able to finish veteran Maelstorm Arena - especially because I did it without the Ring of the Pale Order or a defensive monster set. I don't want it to be easier. If it was easier, it would take away from the achievement I worked hours for.

A player that wants a specific monster set or wants a specific trial set but is not good enough to carry his own groups needs to look for guilds and friends and ask for help. There's no shame in that. It's totally alright to be a "bad" player and need friends or guild mates to help you with content. I can't underline how okay it is. Never once would I belittle anyone for needing help from their guild or from randoms, it is 100% OK and people need to realize that and anyone flaming a newbie in a dungeon needs to a virtual slap on the face for it.

Never. Flame. "Bad". Players. If you do, you're a bad person and don't deserve to play with other people. Working with other people in games like this is an amazing experience and if you're making others feel bad about themselves because they need help from others you're killing one of their greatest joys of playing a game like this.