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Auction house is a must!

  • Kiwi
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    i still dont get why people just cant let it go.

    its all so common nobody wants your trash/quest rewards, we have our own.
    just vendor/deconstruct it
    you dont need inordinate amounts of gold to play the game so the misconception about needing to generate coin is invalid.

    oh you can make shiney junk? cool so can i and 30000 other people.
    if you want to sell for 1/3rd what you would have got from vending the mats, then by all means, do continue flogging this dead horse after the devs have blatantly stated 'no auction houses'
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  • Alurria
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    Kiwi wrote: »
    i still dont get why people just cant let it go.

    its all so common nobody wants your trash/quest rewards, we have our own.
    just vendor/deconstruct it
    you dont need inordinate amounts of gold to play the game so the misconception about needing to generate coin is invalid.

    oh you can make shiney junk? cool so can i and 30000 other people.
    if you want to sell for 1/3rd what you would have got from vending the mats, then by all means, do continue flogging this dead horse after the devs have blatantly stated 'no auction houses'

    I agree with you, the problem is people think if they stamp their feet and scream " I quit" they will get their way. It's a symptom of the WoW generation of screaming on their forums. Besides this forum is for new player questions.
  • Noth
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    Jeremy wrote: »
    Honestly, I haven't missed an AH in this game. I.

    I wish I could say the same. But lack of an auction house or any kind of good economy that actually sells what I am looking for has been very frustrating for me.

    It's holding this game back in a big way. In my opinion.

    No auction house probably saved the game from lasting damage of the loot bug. You can find what you are looking for, it just takes more effort.
  • daIlha
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    Please please please give us an auction house. the constant spamming of green and blue text items in zone chat is really annoying. If not an auction house the. At least make a trade channel that can be switched on or off.
    Not sure where to post this but there is no general discussion threads.

    Thanks.
    I really want an AH, you can browse lots of items, compare prices, bid for something (if you think the buying price is abusive), and use it to dump extra load for some time(and even sell something).Iḿ not a very multiplayer gamer, i do prefer to play on my own, do my stuff on my own, and just on rare ocasions, like partying for a dungeon, join a random group. I dont have much time to play so I don't like guilds and don't intend to join any. Trade channel is for spammers and can be so annoying and pestering as gold sellers, both should be banned for the same reason. I've played a lot of mmos and the last three i could count with and AH. It's a nice trading system, it made me rich all the time in no time, so a big YES to the AH
  • jircris11
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    I say no to AH, maybe a trade chat but not an AH, i have played to many mmos where the AH prices became STUPIDLY high and people would not haggle due to "that price being the norm"
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  • daIlha
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    No to AH? losing your play time to haggle for a price, if you have a system that can handle it for you? No thanks. You guys are arguing about gold sellers that keep spamming the chat, but i see no difference about a trade chat it will scroll so fast that you can't even see the offers. But hey, as i can see that we will never agree, how about both systems? So you can decide what's best suited for you and everybody will be happy.
  • daIlha
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    jircris11 wrote: »
    I say no to AH, maybe a trade chat but not an AH, i have played to many mmos where the AH prices became STUPIDLY high and people would not haggle due to "that price being the norm"

    Well, then break them. Basics of economy, start selling your stuff constantly at a fair price, nobody will buy their stuff anymore and will start buying just yours. Step two, people will see that and start following your idea. Did that in WoW and Neverwinter, worked like a charm.
  • Khandi
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    Thia is just one more thing in a fairly long list of things that will eventually either be added or will kill the game, by which I mean that it will be F2P because no one will pay for it.

    Too many things are broken, irksome or missing.
    Edited by Khandi on April 29, 2014 1:06PM
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  • alphawolph
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    I agree, we need some way to sell to strangers that is secure and easy.
  • Jeremy
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    Noth wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    Honestly, I haven't missed an AH in this game. I.

    I wish I could say the same. But lack of an auction house or any kind of good economy that actually sells what I am looking for has been very frustrating for me.

    It's holding this game back in a big way. In my opinion.

    You can find what you are looking for, it just takes more effort.

    Says you. I could say pigs dance on Mars. But that doesn't make it true.

    As an example: I regularly scan the Guild Stores and can't find a single dwarf oil or diamond up for sale. Now you can pretend that's not the case, and it's all my fault and I'm just lazy and that's I can't find these things up for sale. But it's BS.

    Don't blame me for this game's crappy economy.
  • Jeremy
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    Khandi wrote: »
    Thia is just one more thing in a fairly long list of things that will eventually either be added or will kill the game, by which I mean that it will be F2P because no one will pay for it.

    Too many things are broken, irksome or missing.

    I agree Khandi. This will eventually drag the game down unless they address it.
    Edited by Jeremy on April 29, 2014 1:48PM
  • frwinters_ESO
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    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game. However, the ability to setup your guild store in Cyrodil is really rough. I really wonder how many guilds actually make money from their stores in Cyrodil. Especially if they lose there positions when the enemy takes over the keep or resource. Resources and Keeps change hands daily, so its very very difficult to keep your store going. I would like to see some ability for guilds to have their guild stores up in PvE land as i like to call it. Make it a very very high gold amount or something and you get a wandering merchant or something or a stand in a city of your choice. Yeah then we would be overcrowded with npc's or something just trying to throw out ideas.
  • Khandi
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    [/quote]
    I agree Khandi. This will eventually drag the game down unless they address it. [/quote]

    The thing about it is that with all the issues combined, some bother some people and other bother other people, and the 30 days free being over, the people that left will talk about the issues they had in ESO.

    Kind of like you will hear about a bad restaurant much faster than you will hear about a good restaurant. People enjoy talking about how *bad* something was and how it is not worth your time.

    So they leave and tell their friends that were thinking about playing or they eventually take their friends with them as they find the next big game.

    So what I am saying is that ZOS ignoring these issues is probably a mistake on their part. You can't please everyone but most of these issues are mundane. They are not going away no matter how many times the fanbois (or whatever) tell people to 'get over it!' or 'deal with it!' or 'so leave KTHXBAI'.

    I am willing to give it some time, things can't be fixed all at once.

    I am a patient woman but even my patience has a limit.

    Edited by Khandi on April 29, 2014 1:40PM
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  • Jeremy
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    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

  • Drachenfier
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    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    Agree, I haven't found anything appealing whatsoever about the current guild store system. It looks like they half assed their attempt at an auction house, just like they half assed the group finder tool. There really is no excuse for this kind of sloppy implementation.

    For the record, I love the game, but this crap is just ridiculous. Ridiculous amounts of chat channel spam, extremely, EXTREMELY limited, very small, very localized markets, which anyone with half a clue can tell you is detrimental to a healthy economy. Random fluctuating prices with no regulation whatsoever, most stuff available in guild stores is waaay overpriced. It's a mess.
    Edited by Drachenfier on April 29, 2014 1:47PM
  • Jeremy
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    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    Agree, I haven't found anything appealing whatsoever about the current guild store system. It looks like they half assed their attempt at an auction house, just like they half assed the group finder tool. There really is no excuse for this kind of sloppy implementation.

    Me either. I am honestly perplexed as to what people could possibly find attractive about them.
  • Laerian
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    I think what we need is re-educate some komrades about the importance of trading in human history, the same reasons it is important in mmorpgs too; make it easier instead of more restrictive.
    Edited by Laerian on April 29, 2014 2:18PM
  • Khandi
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    Laerian wrote: »
    I think what we need is re-educate some komrades about the importance of trading in human history, the same reasons it is important in mmorpgs too; make it easier instead of more restrictive.

    Agreed.

    "Trade originated with human communication in prehistoric times. Trading was the main facility of prehistoric people, who bartered goods and services from each other before the innovation of modern day currency. Peter Watson dates the history of long-distance commerce from circa 150,000 years ago.

    In the Mediterranean region the earliest contact between cultures were of members of the species *** sapiens principally using the Danube river, at a time beginning 35-30,000 BC."

    Edited by Khandi on April 29, 2014 2:25PM
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  • Kiash
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    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

  • Jeremy
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    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

    I don't get why you think browsing a Guild Store listing is so much more social than browsing a Public Auction House listing. It's basically the same thing... except in one of them I can actually find what I'm looking for.

    I'm plenty social. I join groups all the time. Help others take down world bosses. In fact I can't think of a single time I have turned down someone asking me for help.
    And that is what I consider real social activity. Not spamming chat with WTB WTS spam.

    Just because I want an economy that works doesn't mean I'm anti-social.
    Edited by Jeremy on April 29, 2014 2:40PM
  • Khandi
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    [/quote]

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

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    And I disagree with you...

    I would like to know why you feel that it would "ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO" ?

    Also tell me why you think it would be "a broken centralized AH"?

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  • Drachenfier
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    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I'm sorry, but this just doesn't happen. You need to get off of this train, because its going nowhere. Where's that /rolleyes emote?
    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    I don't consider chat spam "social".
    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo.

    No it wouldn't.
    Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

    What does the economy have to do with making friends? Usually, that's what guilds are for, but not in this game. Guilds are faceless entities in this game, I've never, in all my mmo years, seen a game where guild interaction was just plain non existent across the board. I'm in 5 guilds...no one talks, no one interacts....they're just there for guild stores. I've never seen such an anti-social mmo.

  • DragonMother
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    No. Join a guild that has an open guild store, create a market for yourself. A public auction house will only cause issues with even more scamming for gold.
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  • Kiash
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    Jeremy wrote: »

    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

    I don't get why you think browsing a Guild Store listing is so much more social than browsing a Public Auction House listing. It's basically the same thing... except in one of them you can actually find what you are looking for.

    I'm plenty social. I join groups all the time. Help others take down world bosses. In fact I can't think of a single time I have turned down someone asking me for help.

    Just because I want an economy that works doesn't mean I'm anti-social.

    You want an economy that doesn't work and has broken every other MMO's economy to advance quicker. That's all it boils down to, wanting to just buy your way to end game rather than forge connections with a guild or other players. Of course browsing a guild store isn't a social experience, it's why you auction stuff off, offer people trades who are auctioning in these trade guilds, etc.

    I honestly think this is a moot point, I wouldn't look for a centralized AH for at least 6 months even if they wanted to, they have more than enough on their plates with bugs and content updates than to worry about making sure people can use a broken AH system to marginalize the entire game.
  • Jeremy
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    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »

    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

    I don't get why you think browsing a Guild Store listing is so much more social than browsing a Public Auction House listing. It's basically the same thing... except in one of them you can actually find what you are looking for.

    I'm plenty social. I join groups all the time. Help others take down world bosses. In fact I can't think of a single time I have turned down someone asking me for help.

    Just because I want an economy that works doesn't mean I'm anti-social.

    You want an economy that doesn't work and has broken every other MMO's economy to advance quicker. .

    No this game already has an economy that doesn't work. I am asking for one that does.

    And I have played many MMORPGs that had a public auction house. It didn't break any of them. So I find your claims that Public Auction houses break the economies on all other games inaccurate and wildly exaggerated.

    Also: if anything encourages people to advance quicker it's the sorry state of this game's economy. Because most people don't even bother fully utilizing the game's crafting systems until they reach level 50 because rarer materials are so difficult to successfully buy.
    Edited by Jeremy on April 29, 2014 2:46PM
  • Kiash
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    Jeremy wrote: »
    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »

    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

    I don't get why you think browsing a Guild Store listing is so much more social than browsing a Public Auction House listing. It's basically the same thing... except in one of them you can actually find what you are looking for.

    I'm plenty social. I join groups all the time. Help others take down world bosses. In fact I can't think of a single time I have turned down someone asking me for help.

    Just because I want an economy that works doesn't mean I'm anti-social.

    You want an economy that doesn't work and has broken every other MMO's economy to advance quicker. .

    No this game already has an economy that doesn't work. I am asking for one that does.

    And I have played many MMORPGs that had a public auction house. It didn't break any of them. So I find your claims that Public Auction houses break the economies on all other games inaccurate and wildly exaggerated.

    If that's your opinion, that is fine, you are entitled to that. Even a cursory google search shows how AH's break in game economies of any MMO. Numbers don't lie, but as I said I support your right to that opinion even if I disagree.

    The economy doesn't work for you because you want the path of least resistance, which is also understandable, I just don't agree with it personally.
  • Drachenfier
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    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »

    Kiash wrote: »
    Jeremy wrote: »
    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

    I don't get why you think browsing a Guild Store listing is so much more social than browsing a Public Auction House listing. It's basically the same thing... except in one of them you can actually find what you are looking for.

    I'm plenty social. I join groups all the time. Help others take down world bosses. In fact I can't think of a single time I have turned down someone asking me for help.

    Just because I want an economy that works doesn't mean I'm anti-social.

    You want an economy that doesn't work and has broken every other MMO's economy to advance quicker. .

    No this game already has an economy that doesn't work. I am asking for one that does.

    And I have played many MMORPGs that had a public auction house. It didn't break any of them. So I find your claims that Public Auction houses break the economies on all other games inaccurate and wildly exaggerated.

    If that's your opinion, that is fine, you are entitled to that. Even a cursory google search shows how AH's break in game economies of any MMO. Numbers don't lie, but as I said I support your right to that opinion even if I disagree.

    The economy doesn't work for you because you want the path of least resistance, which is also understandable, I just don't agree with it personally.

    Show me these numbers then. Rift, SWTOR, GW2 all have thriving, vibrant economies. You can buy what you need, sell what you don't. Everyone buys, everyone sells. Everyone has access. Unlike this poor excuse for an economy. I vendor everything I don't need. The only time I utilize the ridiculous chat spam sales model is if I have a motif to trade.
    Edited by Drachenfier on April 29, 2014 2:49PM
  • trinta
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    Khandi wrote: »
    Also tell me why you think it would be "a broken centralized AH"?

    Because saying, "Why spam chat and read trade spam in chat when you can just go to a centralized AH and buy what you're looking for?" doesn't make him look nearly as cool as, "Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold?"
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  • Allyah
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    daIlha wrote: »
    [...]But hey, as i can see that we will never agree, how about both systems? So you can decide what's best suited for you and everybody will be happy.

    This is one of the stupidest things I've seen in a while. Both systems wouldn't make both sides happy. People who don't want an AH don't want it for community and economical reasons. People who want the AH want it for convenience and a sell free zone chat. If there was an AH, both community and economy would be much different than if it didn't exist. If there was still an option to sell stuff in zone, people that wanted the AH would still be seeing stuff being sold in zone chat.

    As for my point of view on it, I have yet to see zone chat so bogged down in people selling items that I can't read what other people have written. A trade channel is unnecessary for the same reason. Most people already seem to be learning not to try selling their trash items in zone anyway (items the AH would encourage to sell instead of people doing the logical thing and deconstructing/researching/donating to vendors). All an AH would do is **** up a system that works fine.
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    I love the fact there isn't an auction house. I like that these trade guilds have formed. It brings something fresh to the game.

    As far as I can tell, the only fresh thing it brings to this game is an unusually bad economy and extra spam.

    Could you give me some specifics about what these Guild Stores bring to this game that you find so fresh and appealing?

    And I'm not being sarcastic. I am actually curious as to your answer and the question is genuine.

    It doesn't matter what he says you'll still disagree with him. I still prefer the guild store method over a broken centralized AH controlled by the few elite trade barons that end up running every other MMO's economy like GW2 and WoW.

    I like the social aspect involved in trading in this game, if you don't like to socialize, it may not be for you.

    An AH would ruin the feel and depth of the world of Tamriel in ESO imo. Why adventure, socialize, make friendships etc. if you can just go to a broken centralized AH and buy the best items in the game for a few gold? Completely takes the point and purpose out of MMORPG's.

    I don't get why you think browsing a Guild Store listing is so much more social than browsing a Public Auction House listing. It's basically the same thing... except in one of them you can actually find what you are looking for.

    I'm plenty social. I join groups all the time. Help others take down world bosses. In fact I can't think of a single time I have turned down someone asking me for help.

    Just because I want an economy that works doesn't mean I'm anti-social.

    You want an economy that doesn't work and has broken every other MMO's economy to advance quicker. .

    No this game already has an economy that doesn't work. I am asking for one that does.

    And I have played many MMORPGs that had a public auction house. It didn't break any of them. So I find your claims that Public Auction houses break the economies on all other games inaccurate and wildly exaggerated.

    If that's your opinion, that is fine, you are entitled to that. Even a cursory google search shows how AH's break in game economies of any MMO. Numbers don't lie, but as I said I support your right to that opinion even if I disagree.

    The economy doesn't work for you because you want the path of least resistance, which is also understandable, I just don't agree with it personally.

    I played these games. I know from personal experience that public auction houses did not break their economies. In fact their economies worked a million times better than this game's economy does.

    So I don't know what numbers you are referring to on google, but they are misleading you.

    And as I added in my above post, if anything encourages players to advance through this game quicker it's the sorry state of this game's economy. Because most people don't even bother fully utilizing the game's crafting systems until they reach level 50 because rarer materials are so difficult to successfully buy.

    Vibrant economies enhance game play. It doesn't alter it for the worse like you seem to think.
    Edited by Jeremy on April 29, 2014 2:55PM
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