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baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
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Was it a bug?
Yes >
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Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?0 -
Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ugh, I probably shouldn't be trying to continue this discussion because, given the OP's post in other threads, it seems to me their goal is to just bait people on different topics but I'll ask this:
What exactly happened because some people allocated extra points gained from the bug? What huge advantage did they get?
Someone went from 45CP to 3600CP and won over Cyrodiil campaign? New Godslayer record was established? What's the game and playing experience problem occured following this?
LoL.. yes, because being right is "baiting". I can see how someone might think that I guess. Someone that is trying to make excuses for exploiting a bug.
I mean, you're actually trying to say it was "ok" because you don't understand how the mechanics were exploited by spending more cp than someone should have at their level.
You're trying pretty hard there. Did you stretch before that reach?
Per Gina Bruno, if you would bother reading patch notes....
"Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles."
Neat.
What's your point?
I'm stating that they need to start taking a stand against exploiting bugs.
The point is they knew about it and didnt fix it before they put it out on live, once it happened to you, how were you supposed to know the exact amount of free points you legit still had or not, manually count out 1400 points??? It was their fault, and there was no actual benefit other than secondary perks that dont affect any significant gameplay, its not like people were duplicating gold or items worth a pile of gold... this did nothing.
LoL.
I'm sure ZOS can see if it was a matter of someone spamming points they didn't have and specifically staying in the same zone to abuse it vs. someone that accidentally spent a few points and went.. whoa. What's going on? or zoned and didn't re-spend thousands of points.
It's.. really not that hard to see who was abusing and who wasn't.
Your entire post is irrelevant... the people who make the game decided this was their own fault and as such doesnt warrant bans, so have a good day.
Neat.
That doesn't mean the players that abused the exploit for two days shouldn't be banned. If I can change ZOS' mind then the player base's quality goes up a few notches.
But, hey.. have a great day.
You realize pretty much everyone probably put an extra point in, whether to see if it was a visual bug or what... you really think ZoS is going to ban the majority of their own playerbase over something they should have fixed before it went live, and something that gives no advantage anyway?? lolFormer Emperor
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Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ugh, I probably shouldn't be trying to continue this discussion because, given the OP's post in other threads, it seems to me their goal is to just bait people on different topics but I'll ask this:
What exactly happened because some people allocated extra points gained from the bug? What huge advantage did they get?
Someone went from 45CP to 3600CP and won over Cyrodiil campaign? New Godslayer record was established? What's the game and playing experience problem occured following this?
LoL.. yes, because being right is "baiting". I can see how someone might think that I guess. Someone that is trying to make excuses for exploiting a bug.
I mean, you're actually trying to say it was "ok" because you don't understand how the mechanics were exploited by spending more cp than someone should have at their level.
You're trying pretty hard there. Did you stretch before that reach?
Per Gina Bruno, if you would bother reading patch notes....
"Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles."
Neat.
What's your point?
I'm stating that they need to start taking a stand against exploiting bugs.
The point is they knew about it and didnt fix it before they put it out on live, once it happened to you, how were you supposed to know the exact amount of free points you legit still had or not, manually count out 1400 points??? It was their fault, and there was no actual benefit other than secondary perks that dont affect any significant gameplay, its not like people were duplicating gold or items worth a pile of gold... this did nothing.
LoL.
I'm sure ZOS can see if it was a matter of someone spamming points they didn't have and specifically staying in the same zone to abuse it vs. someone that accidentally spent a few points and went.. whoa. What's going on? or zoned and didn't re-spend thousands of points.
It's.. really not that hard to see who was abusing and who wasn't.
Your entire post is irrelevant... the people who make the game decided this was their own fault and as such doesnt warrant bans, so have a good day.
Neat.
That doesn't mean the players that abused the exploit for two days shouldn't be banned. If I can change ZOS' mind then the player base's quality goes up a few notches.
But, hey.. have a great day.
You realize pretty much everyone probably put an extra point in, whether to see if it was a visual bug or what... you really think ZoS is going to ban the majority of their own playerbase over something they should have fixed before it went live, and something that gives no advantage anyway?? lol
Do you really think they would care if someone spent an extra point, zoned later on and didn't respend the point?
Way to be petty.
I'm talking about the players that ROUTINELY spend way over their CP and kept it spent while leveling or doing trials. That's abusing a bug. That's an exploit. Those players should be banned. Per the EULA.0 -
Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
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✭✭✭✭✭Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.
You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.
So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^
If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.
You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.
Why is that I wonder?
They already said no one is getting banned for it, it was their error... so your rant is a waste of time and forum space
Neat.
I guess I'm flexing my second amendment rights then?
Speaking of pointless posts.
That would actually be the first amendment...
Not that it matters, but that doesn't really apply either, as your first amendment rights only protect you from government action. So until ZOS rises to become the legitimate government of Hunt Valley, it's not the First Amendment either.4 -
Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Awww.. how cute!
Your flowchart doesn't change the fact that players were exploiting a bug.
Which is bannable.
Period.
Whether they said it's going to happen or not (terminology is vague) you can bet it's still something they are looking at considering the fact that players were abusing the hell out of it during trials. That type of thing is easy to see on their end.0 -
Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Also, they said they weren't going to ban anyone as of now.
Once they start filtering the logs, that may change.
We can only hope.0 -
Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Also, they said they weren't going to ban anyone as of now.
Once they start filtering the logs, that may change.
We can only hope.
Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles.Former Emperor
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Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Also, they said they weren't going to ban anyone as of now.
Once they start filtering the logs, that may change.
We can only hope.
Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles.
"Until this hotfix gets rolled out"0 -
Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Also, they said they weren't going to ban anyone as of now.
Once they start filtering the logs, that may change.
We can only hope.
Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles.
You can stop, really.
If you abused the bug, then.. well, you might get banned. But, that's the chance you took, right?
Don't make pointless arguments.0 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭If you wanna stick to formal rules so bad, lets remember how ZOS banned plenty of players due to fail of their anticheat system. And that ATM you cannot even run a score for Vateshran because of bugged mino, play a Cyro because of lags, there are plenty of DC everyday during team content and there is no week without server crash.
So i am afraid that your obsession about purist sticking to The Rules in somewhat misplaced.
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Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Also, they said they weren't going to ban anyone as of now.
Once they start filtering the logs, that may change.
We can only hope.
Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles.
You can stop, really.
If you abused the bug, then.. well, you might get banned. But, that's the chance you took, right?
Don't make pointless arguments.
we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned
This entire thread is a pointless argument... no one is getting bannedFormer Emperor
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Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Also, they said they weren't going to ban anyone as of now.
Once they start filtering the logs, that may change.
We can only hope.
Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles.
"Until this hotfix gets rolled out"
You wont be able to get the bug after the hotfix... so yeah, no one is getting banned because the bug will be gone... just like they saidFormer Emperor
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✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
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Was it a bug?
Yes >
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Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Did the MAKERS OF THE GAME already say they were not going to ban anyone?
Yes>
Are you a maker of this game?
No>
See how easy that was?
Also, they said they weren't going to ban anyone as of now.
Once they start filtering the logs, that may change.
We can only hope.
Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles.
"Until this hotfix gets rolled out"
Kind of an irrelevant distinction, seeing as the hotfix reset everyone's CP.
So, if you did max every star, you'd be back to your normal CP supply right now. The hotfix is supposed to have fixed this issue, so you're not going to be able to abuse this bug after it kicks over.Edited by starkerealm on November 4, 2021 10:52AM3 -
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✭baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
They normally used the armory system and randomly ended up with insane CP points due to a bug, thats hardly an exploit.4 -
Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.
You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.
So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^
If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.
You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.
Why is that I wonder?
They already said no one is getting banned for it, it was their error... so your rant is a waste of time and forum space
Neat.
I guess I'm flexing my second amendment rights then?
Speaking of pointless posts.
That would actually be the first amendment...
Not that it matters, but that doesn't really apply either, as your first amendment rights only protect you from government action. So until ZOS rises to become the legitimate government of Hunt Valley, it's not the First Amendment either.
True, but he was trying to imply freedom of speech with an amendment that gives the right to bear arms lol... but you're right, free speech doesnt apply here either, as ZOS decides what is allowed to be said on / in their intellectual property.Former Emperor
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✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
They normally used the armory system and randomly ended up with insane CP points due to a bug, thats hardly an exploit.
There's actually an irony here too. To avoid, "exploiting," this you'd need to know exactly how many CP you had in each tree.
I don't know about you, but I honestly don't know how many CP I have. My main account is somewhere in the mid 1500s, and my alt account is 800 something, maybe 900.
So, if we were going with a strict, "you exploited!" policy, my only choice would be to log off, and go play something else until this got fixed.
My main account's pool may also hint at why I'm so ambivalent about this. I already have enough CP to trip every star I actually want to use, and the ones beyond that are just gravy. While having 65k CP sounds incredibly powerful... it's not.2 -
Futard✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.baconoverlord wrote: »
Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
Seriously?
Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?
I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.
a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.
b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.
c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.
I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.
If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.
Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.
Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.
I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"
Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.
Take out the parenthesis and read it again.
"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"
Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.
Now, to the rest of your rambling:
A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.
B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)
C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".
Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.
Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.
And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?
You can spend up to 3600 points.
Unless you're 3600 cp already.
So, how are you even really thinking that anyone would believe your story about how it doesn't matter and you can't spend the points?
You're trying really hard to convince us how much it doesn't matter and how there was no impact when you keep dodging the core issue: Exploiting a bug is a bannable offense.
It doesn't matter what you think about the "how" or "why" of it.
Try this simple flowchart:
---
Was it a bug?
Yes >
----
Was it abused?
Yes>
It's an exploit. Players using it should be banned.
See how easy that was?
Your flowchart has a bug, it does not display correctly.
But funny to see how simple you try to make the world around you.
And you make the point yourself above how little CP do.
3.6k CP in total and you got ~4 slotables in each tree + all passives with approximately 1.6k CP. So it isn't even worth talking about the upper 2k as they are just for convenience and nothing else (adding more slotables to switch them faster and not having to respec CP).
As you gain CP very fast at the begining, it is relatively easy to be around 400 to 800 CP. So effectively 800 to 1200 CP more than you should have. Is that a nice thing to have? Yes, probably. Does it really have a big impact? No.
So if we look at that your statements we see that you always refer to 65k CP while only 800 to 1200 are relevant in most cases. You try to make this a bigger thing than it is.
And as far as i know (from some forum threads here) you don't have to see the number 65535 somewhere, it could be anything. You might not have an easy indicator to notice that you are experiencing that bug if you do not know about it.
Besides of that, the CP do only slightly increase the speed you level if you really go for grinding. You won't gain additional exp, you are just slightly faster in killing stuff.
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ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »I think you are honestly focussing on the wrong thing.
The bug was serious enough to need fixing urgently.
It isn't being fixed 'because of exploiters'.
Downtime will happen to fix a very serious bug.
I think maybe you're focusing on the wrong thing.
This thread is about the cheaters that abused the bug and caused ZOS to make a statement about it and used it as the reason for the downtime.
But, I agree. Bugs DO need to be fixed. In a perfect world this wouldn't be an issue.
But, if players weren't abusing it, would they have IMMEDIATELY restarted the servers to fix it?
We can only speculate.
But, we know the answer.
Blaming people for using a system as intended, rather than ZoS who had SIX WEEKS to fix this since it was reported on PTS.
Had ZoS been good at their job, this thread would never have existed, the bug would have never existed on live.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.
You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.
So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^
If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.
You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.
Why is that I wonder?
They already said no one is getting banned for it, it was their error... so your rant is a waste of time and forum space
Neat.
I guess I'm flexing my second amendment rights then?
Speaking of pointless posts.
That would actually be the first amendment...
Not that it matters, but that doesn't really apply either, as your first amendment rights only protect you from government action. So until ZOS rises to become the legitimate government of Hunt Valley, it's not the First Amendment either.
True, but he was trying to imply freedom of speech with an amendment that gives the right to bear arms lol... but you're right, free speech doesnt apply here either, as ZOS decides what is allowed to be said on / in their intellectual property.
Yeah, I read it, and all I could think was, "was that supposed to be a threat?"0 -
vibeborn✭✭✭✭✭Why would people even WANT to waste their time "exploiting" something which 1, got reported as a BUG, and 2, was fixed a about a few days after so there was no reason to "exploit" it in the first place.
It's like being at a traffic light that's constantly green. Technically you're allowed to walk all the time, but that would not be good for the cars that come from the sides, and for the flow of the traffic, so the traffic light gets fixed, but nobody gets a fine if they crossed the street too early
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Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.
You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.
So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^
If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.
You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.
Why is that I wonder?
They already said no one is getting banned for it, it was their error... so your rant is a waste of time and forum space
Neat.
I guess I'm flexing my second amendment rights then?
Speaking of pointless posts.
That would actually be the first amendment...
Not that it matters, but that doesn't really apply either, as your first amendment rights only protect you from government action. So until ZOS rises to become the legitimate government of Hunt Valley, it's not the First Amendment either.
True, but he was trying to imply freedom of speech with an amendment that gives the right to bear arms lol... but you're right, free speech doesnt apply here either, as ZOS decides what is allowed to be said on / in their intellectual property.
Yeah, I read it, and all I could think was, "was that supposed to be a threat?"
That or he needs a history lesson lol...Former Emperor
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Sambucca1973✭✭✭If one knew that a player was exploiting a bug, they should have reported that player. If a player was reported and ZOS decided to take no action, that’s ZOS’s decision and a player’s done what they could.
If one is assuming people exploited a bug, that’s all it is - an assumption.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.
You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.
So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^
If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.
You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.
Why is that I wonder?
They already said no one is getting banned for it, it was their error... so your rant is a waste of time and forum space
Neat.
I guess I'm flexing my second amendment rights then?
Speaking of pointless posts.
That would actually be the first amendment...
Not that it matters, but that doesn't really apply either, as your first amendment rights only protect you from government action. So until ZOS rises to become the legitimate government of Hunt Valley, it's not the First Amendment either.
True, but he was trying to imply freedom of speech with an amendment that gives the right to bear arms lol... but you're right, free speech doesnt apply here either, as ZOS decides what is allowed to be said on / in their intellectual property.
Yeah, I read it, and all I could think was, "was that supposed to be a threat?"
That or he needs a history lesson lol...
I mean, they're not mutually exclusive options.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ippokrates wrote: »If you wanna stick to formal rules so bad, lets remember how ZOS banned plenty of players due to fail of their anticheat system. And that ATM you cannot even run a score for Vateshran because of bugged mino, play a Cyro because of lags, there are plenty of DC everyday during team content and there is no week without server crash.
So i am afraid that your obsession about purist sticking to The Rules in somewhat misplaced.
I believe it's called "Lawful Stupid"
"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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risfi✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »
But, if players weren't abusing it, would they have IMMEDIATELY restarted the servers to fix it?
You do know the bug caused some people have NEGATIVE CP? And many people (myself included) did not use the long expected exciting new feature (Armory) at all, waiting until it gets fixed.
A huge population cannot play the game properly (or at all) and you think the fix is rolled out quickly because somebody got extra points?
Edited by risfi on November 4, 2021 11:10AM3 -
Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭There have been a lot of game breaking bugs that were exploited that actually gave people substantial power gains through gear or abilities working incorrectly, in both pvp and pve... they didnt ban people for those... this was an error that the patch caused and this was a minor error that basically did nothing, thats why no one is getting bannedEdited by Kryptonite_Kent on November 4, 2021 11:30AMFormer Emperor
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Xorxe✭✭✭Wanting to ban players for developers mistake is stupid. This bug was reported on PTS, so what you need to do, is ban QA department :-) Or at least make audit there, because there is something broken in communication between ZOS departments. What's the purpose of testing, when all the reports go to dev null?2
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