Ugh, I probably shouldn't be trying to continue this discussion because, given the OP's post in other threads, it seems to me their goal is to just bait people on different topics but I'll ask this:

What exactly happened because some people allocated extra points gained from the bug? What huge advantage did they get?
Someone went from 45CP to 3600CP and won over Cyrodiil campaign? New Godslayer record was established? What's the game and playing experience problem occured following this?

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Zos introduces a system that they clearly haven’t QA tested, ignore the feedback on PTS showing it then put it live and then realise they need to fix it but it’s the players fault.

When I went onto the PTS I came across this in 10 minutes of using it so whoever built and tested it either didn’t do a good job or just ignored it. Either of those reasons are why we are having downtime right now and nothing to do with players exploiting.

Well, you can blame ZOS which is fine. Blame them for the bug. But, I can guarantee you... given how lazy ZOS is... that if this wasn't being exploited they wouldn't have taken this kind of immediate action.

Granted, I'm no soothsayer and can't see other possible realities... but, we can pretty safely speculate on that.

baconoverlord wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.

Wow, some people...

I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.

Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.

Which was explained over and over in this thread.

baconoverlord wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

I fixed your post:

baconoverlord wrote: »

More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.

I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.

They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.

There are consequences for those choices.

Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.

Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?

Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".

Seriously?

Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?

I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.

a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.

b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.

c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.


I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.

If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.

Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

I fixed your post:

baconoverlord wrote: »

More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.

I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.

They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.

There are consequences for those choices.

I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD

Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.

It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.

You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.

So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^

If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.

You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.

Why is that I wonder?

They already said no one is getting banned for it, it was their error... so your rant is a waste of time and forum space

Neat.

I guess I'm flexing my second amendment rights then?

Speaking of pointless posts.

baconoverlord wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

I fixed your post:

baconoverlord wrote: »

More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.

I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.

They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.

There are consequences for those choices.

I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD

Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.

It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.

You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.

So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^

If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.

You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.

Why is that I wonder?

They already said no one is getting banned for it, it was their error... so your rant is a waste of time and forum space

Neat.

I guess I'm flexing my second amendment rights then?

Speaking of pointless posts.

That would actually be the first amendment...

Well if you think about it, ZOS created the exploit (by knowingy releasing broken system even after bug reports on PTS). Shouldn't we ban ZOS instead?

Futard wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.

Wow, some people...

I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.

Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.

Which was explained over and over in this thread.

baconoverlord wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

I fixed your post:

baconoverlord wrote: »

More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.

I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.

They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.

There are consequences for those choices.

Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.

Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?

Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".

Seriously?

Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?

I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.

a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.

b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.

c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.


I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.

If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.

Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.

Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.

I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"

Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.

Take out the parenthesis and read it again.

"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"

Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.

Now, to the rest of your rambling:

A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.

B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)

C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

Ugh, I probably shouldn't be trying to continue this discussion because, given the OP's post in other threads, it seems to me their goal is to just bait people on different topics but I'll ask this:

What exactly happened because some people allocated extra points gained from the bug? What huge advantage did they get?
Someone went from 45CP to 3600CP and won over Cyrodiil campaign? New Godslayer record was established? What's the game and playing experience problem occured following this?

LoL.. yes, because being right is "baiting". I can see how someone might think that I guess. Someone that is trying to make excuses for exploiting a bug.

I mean, you're actually trying to say it was "ok" because you don't understand how the mechanics were exploited by spending more cp than someone should have at their level.

You're trying pretty hard there. Did you stretch before that reach?

Per Gina Bruno, if you would bother reading patch notes....

"Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles."

Neat.

What's your point?

I'm stating that they need to start taking a stand against exploiting bugs.

baconoverlord wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

Ugh, I probably shouldn't be trying to continue this discussion because, given the OP's post in other threads, it seems to me their goal is to just bait people on different topics but I'll ask this:

What exactly happened because some people allocated extra points gained from the bug? What huge advantage did they get?
Someone went from 45CP to 3600CP and won over Cyrodiil campaign? New Godslayer record was established? What's the game and playing experience problem occured following this?

LoL.. yes, because being right is "baiting". I can see how someone might think that I guess. Someone that is trying to make excuses for exploiting a bug.

I mean, you're actually trying to say it was "ok" because you don't understand how the mechanics were exploited by spending more cp than someone should have at their level.

You're trying pretty hard there. Did you stretch before that reach?

Per Gina Bruno, if you would bother reading patch notes....

"Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles."

Neat.

What's your point?

I'm stating that they need to start taking a stand against exploiting bugs.

The point is they knew about it and didnt fix it before they put it out on live, once it happened to you, how were you supposed to know the exact amount of free points you legit still had or not, manually count out 1400 points??? It was their fault, and there was no actual benefit other than secondary perks that dont affect any significant gameplay, its not like people were duplicating gold or items worth a pile of gold... this did nothing.

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

WildLight wrote: »

Ugh, I probably shouldn't be trying to continue this discussion because, given the OP's post in other threads, it seems to me their goal is to just bait people on different topics but I'll ask this:

What exactly happened because some people allocated extra points gained from the bug? What huge advantage did they get?
Someone went from 45CP to 3600CP and won over Cyrodiil campaign? New Godslayer record was established? What's the game and playing experience problem occured following this?

LoL.. yes, because being right is "baiting". I can see how someone might think that I guess. Someone that is trying to make excuses for exploiting a bug.

I mean, you're actually trying to say it was "ok" because you don't understand how the mechanics were exploited by spending more cp than someone should have at their level.

You're trying pretty hard there. Did you stretch before that reach?

Per Gina Bruno, if you would bother reading patch notes....

"Until this hotfix gets rolled out, we can assure you that no accounts that spent unearned Champion Points will be banned, so you can proceed with playing normally in the meantime. Additionally, we can confirm this will not be an issue for Update 32 launch on consoles."

Neat.

What's your point?

I'm stating that they need to start taking a stand against exploiting bugs.

The point is they knew about it and didnt fix it before they put it out on live, once it happened to you, how were you supposed to know the exact amount of free points you legit still had or not, manually count out 1400 points??? It was their fault, and there was no actual benefit other than secondary perks that dont affect any significant gameplay, its not like people were duplicating gold or items worth a pile of gold... this did nothing.

LoL.

I'm sure ZOS can see if it was a matter of someone spamming points they didn't have and specifically staying in the same zone to abuse it vs. someone that accidentally spent a few points and went.. whoa. What's going on? or zoned and didn't re-spend thousands of points.

It's.. really not that hard to see who was abusing and who wasn't.

baconoverlord wrote: »

Futard wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.

Wow, some people...

I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.

Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.

Which was explained over and over in this thread.

baconoverlord wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

baconoverlord wrote: »

Katheriah wrote: »

I fixed your post:

baconoverlord wrote: »

More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.

I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.

They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.

There are consequences for those choices.

Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.

Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?

Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".

Seriously?

Funny, isn't it? Spending 10's of thousands... You are aware that it isn't even possible to spend that many points, right?

I normally would love to see bans and stuff like that if people really cheat or exploit, but in this case, no.

a) It is completely the fault of ZOS. They were aware of the bug since PTS. They did not care and it would have been completely avoidable.

b) This could really affect a lot of players as it is easily to be affected by the bug. Many wont even notice. How do you want to tell who did it on purpose? You can't.

c) There was almost no impact. Everyone with a certain CP level will have all passives and 4 slotables. More CP do not make any difference at all. As a low CP, having a few more CP does not really make a huge difference.


I personally haven't used the armory system yet as I do not really care. I just read a few threads about the bug and how it works.

If I would care about that system (and wouldn't be aware of that bug) I could have easily run into it myself. So what you are saying is, even if I have more than 2k CP, all passives of the CP trees, 4 slotables in every tree (and i don't need to switch them) and I might not have noticed the bug happening, spending even 1 useless CP more somewhere should have given me a ban in such a scenario.

Idk man, you sound a bit stupid here.

Speaking of sounding stupid... let me explain basic English.

I said: "Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system"

Let's take a look at that from the viewpoint of a child that's still in school.

Take out the parenthesis and read it again.

"BEYOND YOUR LEVEL BY 10'S OF THOUSANDS"

Hence, 65K cp would be beyond ANYONE'S level by 10's of thousands. I.E. it wasn't like it was easy to miss or hard to spot.

Now, to the rest of your rambling:

A. The bug is the fault of ZOS... duh. Choosing to exploit that bug was the fault of players that need to be banned.

B. How would they NOT notice that they are spending (in some cases) thousands more points than they have levels? (this time I'm referring to people with low CP... so I don't confuse you)

C. It doesn't matter if you feel there was no impact. It was a bug that was exploited by players. That's against the EULA and the TOS. There really isn't any argument here. But, for the record you're wrong. There are these things called "passives" that you don't have to slot. I get that you're new to the game and just came here to troll, but .. hey, I guess this is my response to you saying I"m "stupid", "futard".

Again mate, you can't do anything with 65k CP. It does not matter. You can't spend them, you are not getting better. It does not matter. It does not matter if you get 500m CP or just 10k CP. There is no difference. Using such high numbers is just a cheap attempt to make this "important". Yet, it isn't.

Even as a low CP player, the difference won't be huge. If you believe you struggle because of your low CP, well I guess I have bad news for you here.

And you still ignore the fact that ZOS willingly and knowingly added something that affects everyone who wants to test a new implemented system and believe everyone notice when they spend more CP than they actually have (it does not have to be 65k it could be any arbitrary number). And you are accusing me of being a troll?

Muttsmutt wrote: »

i didn't even know i was a cheater!
come to think of it.. how do YOU know you weren't cheating too??

everybody could have been a cheater for all we know!

We don't know.

That has no bearing on anything.

The likelihood that I was doing it is pretty remote considering I'm lobbying for banning the people that abused it, lol.

But, ZOS can easily see who was overspending routinely or overspending in hot-spot leveling areas, etc.

They may be too lazy to actually ban the people involved, but that doesn't make them any less of a pathetic cheater.

How can people without a brain still be alive?

baconoverlord wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.

Wow, some people...

I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.

Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.

Which was explained over and over in this thread.

You literally started this thread with a demand for bans. Your explanations are nonsensical. This bug happens randomly to many players and can easily be "exploited" by accident. Demanding players to exactly remember and count the CP they should actually have, when they might not even notice that they have too many right away, is unreasonable. I even agree that it isn't right to exploit this bug on purpose, but where should the line be drawn, how is ZOS supposed to know players intentions? It is not as obvious as you make it out to be. Players are not spending spending 50k more CP then they should be, obviously. Many players might only get one additional node, some intentional, some by accident. It is impossible to make a fair judgement and I don't want to see innocent players potentially getting banned. That is why I am taking a stance against any bans in this situation, since you asked.

honglatongla wrote: »

How can people without a brain still be alive?

Idk but this sounds like cheating to me, you shouldn't be able to live without a brain. They deserve a ban. /s