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Thanks Cheaters... again
More downtime to fix stuff that cheaters just had to exploit.
I hope the ban hammer falls this time. They need to start making examples of these people.
I hope the ban hammer falls this time. They need to start making examples of these people.
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Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭What exploit?
CP?
You cannot put more than ca. 1400 cp in you char. Anything more is just QoL. And it was fault of Armory, not players who reported it at first possibility.8 -
Ippokrates wrote: »What exploit?
CP?
You cannot put more than ca. 1400 cp in you char. Anything more is just QoL. And it was fault of Armory, not players who reported it at first possibility.
A bug is a bug.
An exploit is people abusing said bug to get more CP than they should have had at their level.
Exploits are handled very specifically by the EULA. A ban should be given.3 -
Katheriah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
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huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »What exploit?
CP?
You cannot put more than ca. 1400 cp in you char. Anything more is just QoL. And it was fault of Armory, not players who reported it at first possibility.
A bug is a bug.
An exploit is people abusing said bug to get more CP than they should have had at their level.
Exploits are handled very specifically by the EULA. A ban should be given.
That BUG occurred with no action on the part of the player...it was occurring for some, they reported it, that is not an exploit, that is the bug discovery and reporting process. Why would you ban any player that was on the receiving end of this bug?
They are fixing it, it takes VERY little time to redo your CP, I will just take an extra minute on each of my 18 characters as I do daily writs or similar.--- HuntGod ---
Officer of the Unrepentant
www.unrepentantgaming.com8 -
WildLight✭✭✭???????
People used an Armory feature, got a bug with CP points (which was reported on PTS btw, so there another question of how did it get into live) and they should be banned for it?9 -
Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not the players fault but a bug from the armory system.No one to blame for it except ZOS.Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.5 -
I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.0 -
gronoxvx✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Look, in some cases id agree with you, but banned because zos gave extra cp when it has minimal impact since you can only have 4 slottables at a time and all the other passives dont really do much?
Chill. Maybe go outside for a bit.10 -
baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Look, in some cases id agree with you, but banned because zos gave extra cp when it has minimal impact since you can only have 4 slottables at a time and all the other passives dont really do much?
Chill. Maybe go outside for a bit.
Why are you making excuses for people cheating on ESO and OBVIOUSLY abusing a bug to the point where you're trying to explain how the mechanics make it negligible... even though it's clearly an issue.
Hmmmmmmm.....
Should we say "goodbye" now or later?0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Look, in some cases id agree with you, but banned because zos gave extra cp when it has minimal impact since you can only have 4 slottables at a time and all the other passives dont really do much?
Chill. Maybe go outside for a bit.
Why are you making excuses for people cheating on ESO and OBVIOUSLY abusing a bug to the point where you're trying to explain how the mechanics make it negligible... even though it's clearly an issue.
Hmmmmmmm.....
Should we say "goodbye" now or later?
Man, you're just blowing all of this way out of proportion... >_>
Edited by Tryxus on November 4, 2021 9:47AM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Look, in some cases id agree with you, but banned because zos gave extra cp when it has minimal impact since you can only have 4 slottables at a time and all the other passives dont really do much?
Chill. Maybe go outside for a bit.
Why are you making excuses for people cheating on ESO and OBVIOUSLY abusing a bug to the point where you're trying to explain how the mechanics make it negligible... even though it's clearly an issue.
Hmmmmmmm.....
Should we say "goodbye" now or later?
Truth.0 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When I read the forum posts about the armoury bug I deliberately avoided using it until they fixed it, just to be on the safe side, but the bug happened after players used the feature as advertised, so they should not be blamed for it. And since the official post states that no accounts will be banned for this, they don't consider it a cheat either. If you want to blame someone for the downtime, it should be ZOS
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When I read the forum posts about the armoury bug I deliberately avoided using it until they fixed it, just to be on the safe side, but the bug happened after players used the feature as advertised, so they should not be blamed for it. And since the official post states that no accounts will be banned for this, they don't consider it a cheat either. If you want to blame someone for the downtime, it should be ZOS
You're missing the point.
Just getting the points is one thing. If it was a ZOS glitch, then so be it.
SPENDING the points and using them to level or have a leg-up over other players is where it becomes bannable.0 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD2 -
huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭baconoverlord wrote: »When I read the forum posts about the armoury bug I deliberately avoided using it until they fixed it, just to be on the safe side, but the bug happened after players used the feature as advertised, so they should not be blamed for it. And since the official post states that no accounts will be banned for this, they don't consider it a cheat either. If you want to blame someone for the downtime, it should be ZOS
You're missing the point.
Just getting the points is one thing. If it was a ZOS glitch, then so be it.
SPENDING the points and using them to level or have a leg-up over other players is where it becomes bannable.
You say that, I could have had this bug and not even realized it, of course I have a lot of CP, so even if I had the bug the only place it would even be noticeable was in the green tree and I would probably not notice.--- HuntGod ---
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Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.0 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.7 -
FakeFox✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
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Yes its makes obvious sense to ban people from trying out the armory system.baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
Are people purposely being obtuse or are they among the players that abused the bug?
Spending CP that is beyond your level (obviously) by 10's of thousands isn't "trying out the armory system".
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fizl101✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think you are honestly focussing on the wrong thing.
The bug was serious enough to need fixing urgently.
It isn't being fixed 'because of exploiters'.
Downtime will happen to fix a very serious bug.
Soupy twist8 -
I think you are honestly focussing on the wrong thing.
The bug was serious enough to need fixing urgently.
It isn't being fixed 'because of exploiters'.
Downtime will happen to fix a very serious bug.
I think maybe you're focusing on the wrong thing.
This thread is about the cheaters that abused the bug and caused ZOS to make a statement about it and used it as the reason for the downtime.
But, I agree. Bugs DO need to be fixed. In a perfect world this wouldn't be an issue.
But, if players weren't abusing it, would they have IMMEDIATELY restarted the servers to fix it?
We can only speculate.
But, we know the answer.0 -
colossalvoids✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You just have zero idea what happened and no, no bans because zos can finally acknowledge their fault this time. If you used their new system and got extra 65k points as a result doesn't mean you're an exploiter btw, it just means that dev team let a bug slip and you just observing said result without even doing anything specific or using it for an advantage because it resets upon port.8 -
It's not an exploit, it just happens at random and isn't even beneficial for many players. For instance, yesterday my CP just randomly jumped to 50000 when changing a node in the middle of a trial. But that is no advantage to me, as I can not utilize more CP anyways. Obviously this should be fixed, but demanding bans for players affected by a bug that is triggered by normal interaction with the game is ridiculous.
Wow, some people...
I'm not demanding a ban. I'm asking them to follow the things outlined in their EULA and TOS.
Also, there's a big difference between a bug and EXPLOITING said bug.
Which was explained over and over in this thread.0 -
I would have appreciated an email telling me to "take this time to jot down your point allocations!" because I don't check the forums every hour, as I bet many do not.
Disappointed again.2 -
colossalvoids wrote: »You just have zero idea what happened and no, no bans because zos can finally acknowledge their fault this time. If you used their new system and got extra 65k points as a result doesn't mean you're an exploiter btw, it just means that dev team let a bug slip and you just observing said result without even doing anything specific or using it for an advantage because it resets upon port.
How hard is it to read a thread before you comment?
You don't understand the difference between a bug and EXPLOITING the bug.
Leave it at that.0 -
Ippokrates✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.
You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.
So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^Edited by Ippokrates on November 4, 2021 9:57AM3 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »When I read the forum posts about the armoury bug I deliberately avoided using it until they fixed it, just to be on the safe side, but the bug happened after players used the feature as advertised, so they should not be blamed for it. And since the official post states that no accounts will be banned for this, they don't consider it a cheat either. If you want to blame someone for the downtime, it should be ZOS
You're missing the point.
Just getting the points is one thing. If it was a ZOS glitch, then so be it.
SPENDING the points and using them to level or have a leg-up over other players is where it becomes bannable.
You can only have four slottables, and a number of passives, so the excess is useful only for quickly swapping between things. Also, the players noticed it after the fact, and not all could figure out how to reverse it, some did, according to the post, but others just chose not to play. Maybe a few players who had less CP did use them intentionally for an advantage, for all of two days to get a leg-up, but they did so by risking their account. If they did get banned of course it wouldn't have been worth it. There will always be cases like that, better to ask for more testing, and higher quality control before patches are dished out.2 -
Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »Ippokrates wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »I fixed your post:baconoverlord wrote: »More downtime to fix stuff that players already reported on PTS.
I don't know how that's related to people abusing a bug on live.
They made the choice to do that whether it was reported or not.
There are consequences for those choices.
I think this game have much more serious bugs than additional CP XD
Again.. it's not about a bug. Maybe I need to start cutting and pasting this.
It's about the EXPLOITING players did with the bug.
You cannot exploit something that have cap, and CP system has limitations.
So what, only players below 1400 CP should be banned because they use those few precious points more and destroy everyone in non-champ battleground? ^^
If you spent one CP beyond your level, then you have exploited a bug that gave you a leg-up over other players which is expressly prohibited in the EULA and TOS for ANY online game... ever.
You seem very passionate about people not getting banned for an obvious exploit.
Why is that I wonder?0 -
Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zos introduces a system that they clearly haven’t QA tested, ignore the feedback on PTS showing it then put it live and then realise they need to fix it but it’s the players fault.
When I went onto the PTS I came across this in 10 minutes of using it so whoever built and tested it either didn’t do a good job or just ignored it. Either of those reasons are why we are having downtime right now and nothing to do with players exploiting.7 -
baconoverlord wrote: »When I read the forum posts about the armoury bug I deliberately avoided using it until they fixed it, just to be on the safe side, but the bug happened after players used the feature as advertised, so they should not be blamed for it. And since the official post states that no accounts will be banned for this, they don't consider it a cheat either. If you want to blame someone for the downtime, it should be ZOS
You're missing the point.
Just getting the points is one thing. If it was a ZOS glitch, then so be it.
SPENDING the points and using them to level or have a leg-up over other players is where it becomes bannable.
You can only have four slottables, and a number of passives, so the excess is useful only for quickly swapping between things. Also, the players noticed it after the fact, and not all could figure out how to reverse it, some did, according to the post, but others just chose not to play. Maybe a few players who had less CP did use them intentionally for an advantage, for all of two days to get a leg-up, but they did so by risking their account. If they did get banned of course it wouldn't have been worth it. There will always be cases like that, better to ask for more testing, and higher quality control before patches are dished out.
Yep.
But, the fact is: The bug was there. People exploited it. The rules call for them to be banned. That's... pretty much it.0
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