ZOS I just want to say you guys have created the best MMORPG I have played

irswat · November 2021

I have played a few of the others including ff14 and new life, but neither is as good as ESO. The combat is novel, its empowering, its stimulating, its interesting, its deep. The end game content is fun and challenging, albeit new raids are too sparse. IMO. The graphics continue to improve. I got one of them fancy new graphics cards and cranked the graphics up and turned on the new antialiasing, and the game looks gorgeous in 4k in the newer zones. I know I am not alone in hope the older zones and textures get a little update and polish. I was playing new world and their game sucks. the leveling experience sucks. the company is completely disconnected from the players and the experience. I know people have said that ZOS in the past, but after a taste of what AGS I have a new appreciation for what you have created and given to us. Really my only complaint with the game is the awful performance in PVP. I have been playing long enough that I remember being able to play in cyrodil on a friday or saturday night with huge responsive faction v faction battles. Its been a while since then, but I hope you guys figure out the PVP performance thing, that would be awesome.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · November 2021

ESO does not have the best PvP for an MMORPG. That title goes to following based on PvP type:

Competitive Small Scale - World of Warcraft ranked arenas, especially 3v3
Realm vs Realm - Guild Wars 2 WvWvW
Open World - Star Wars Galaxies (Pre-CU)
Open World (full loot) - Ultima Online T2A era
PvPvE - DAoC Darkness Falls
Casual Battlegrounds - World of Warcraft

Overall, I'd give ESO's PvP a bland 6/10.

Housing, character customization, and questing on the other hand deserve a solid 9/10. Very well done.

xeNNNNN · November 2021

PvP is the biggest problem for the game honestly in terms of performance but I have started to notice its creeping into PvE a lot too.

Comparatively compared to when I DPS'ed a year ago to doing so now, there is a noticeable lag in abilities meaning my light attacks just refuse to go off when I actually click between abilities. For a magblade or just anyone really I guess, a lot of your damage comes from your light weaving or medium weaving, it makes up for a lot of DPS so when your skill isn't the problem and the latency is then its pretty bad.

I am in Britain and I am getting 73 ms. 73. My normal ping is the vast majority of games is between 21 and 35. This is the case as well in other MMORPGs.

So they definitely have a problem that needs fixing, I am just not sure they know how to based on the fact its been pretty much the same since after the first year of the game. Though during the first year the lag was not that bad at all.

Amottica · November 2021

I agree that ESO is the best MMORPG out there. The storytelling from the story itself to the creativity that surrounds it and sparing no expense by fully voice acting the NPC dialogue is second to none. The world-building and graphics overall are superb and certainly a big improvement over the last couple of games I have played but then again FF and WoW like lower quality graphics. Granted, PvP is not great but that is very much a secondary aspect of the game. When I have been serious about PvP I have preferred games designed for PvP so I see no loss here.

GreenhaloX · November 2021

Ever play TERA? There are flying mounts there (and more characters as well as skill slots.)

Lixiviant · November 2021

I love ESO. I've been playing for 6 years and always come back to it. I always thought GTAV would be my permanent go-to game, but ESO has beat that one out.

Amottica · November 2021

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ever play TERA? There are flying mounts there (and more characters as well as skill slots.)

None of those points have ever been significant aspects of what makes an MMORPG a good MMORPG. Like all F2P games, Tera is a second class to ESO. They tend to lack the budget which is needed to acquire top creative talent.

BomblePants · November 2021

I agree… a real solace for me at times, and at others just great entertainment

Much love ❤️

Thraben · November 2021

I miss the class mechanics from Lord of the Rings Online.

Off-Healer, Buff and Debuff classes were far more engaging to play there.

That being said, I've been playing THIS game since Beta, so it must have done something terribly right

Fhritz · November 2021

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

ESO does not have the best PvP for an MMORPG. That title goes to following based on PvP type:
Competitive Small Scale - World of Warcraft ranked arenas, especially 3v3

Realm vs Realm - Guild Wars 2 WvWvW

Open World - Star Wars Galaxies (Pre-CU)

Open World (full loot) - Ultima Online T2A era

PvPvE - DAoC Darkness Falls

Casual Battlegrounds - World of Warcraft

Overall, I'd give ESO's PvP a bland 6/10.

Housing, character customization, and questing on the other hand deserve a solid 9/10. Very well done.

Honestly, i prefer the 3-team battlegrounds over the usual and boring 2 team formula. It add so much dynamism when you play against good player, plus the game is much more intense since you have multiple front to keep and play with

DarkPicture · November 2021

xD

LadyDestiny · November 2021

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

ESO does not have the best PvP for an MMORPG. That title goes to following based on PvP type:
Competitive Small Scale - World of Warcraft ranked arenas, especially 3v3

Realm vs Realm - Guild Wars 2 WvWvW

Open World - Star Wars Galaxies (Pre-CU)

Open World (full loot) - Ultima Online T2A era

PvPvE - DAoC Darkness Falls

Casual Battlegrounds - World of Warcraft

Overall, I'd give ESO's PvP a bland 6/10.

Housing, character customization, and questing on the other hand deserve a solid 9/10. Very well done.

Swg......No game has ever been anything like it. Also the crafting and housing system were top notch. Those were the days.....

Franchise408 · November 2021

I'm glad you enjoy it, and I'd probably agree to the extent that it is the best MMO currently out there, but I certainly disagree with the statement that it's the best MMO ever.

For one, you made the claim that ESO combat is novel. It is not. Conan Online did the real time combat long before ESO did. There's nothing really new or innovative about ESO combat, and the main foundation of ESO combat is a bug that was kept in and turned into a base feature.

I also can't say that it's the best MMO ever in a genre that includes EverQuest and Star Wars: Galaxies, which as far as I'm concerned, are the true 2 best MMO's of all time.

But, ESO is good for what it is, which is a pretty cookie cutter, paint by numbers formulaic MMO. It doesn't really innovate on much of anything, so much so that even an entire class; I.E. Necromancer, is basically a carbon copy of the Diablo 3 version of the same class.

But it does offer a vast array of content, there's countless amounts of things you can do for lots of different moods. There's writs, housing, group dungeons, larger group trials, solo questing, large scale PVP, PvPvE, team based battleground PVP, world events, world bosses, fashion, and maybe even more than I've outlined here. And while it's not my favorite MMO of all time by any means, at this point it is probably the MMO that I've spent the most amount of time in of any MMO I've ever played. So I may be critical of it, because there are many things about it that I just genuinely, truly don't like (which are larger complaints about the MMO genre as a whole, and ESO doing so little to be groundbreaking), but I clearly enjoy it as well, and quite a bit at that.

Franchise408 · November 2021

LadyDestiny wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

ESO does not have the best PvP for an MMORPG. That title goes to following based on PvP type:
Competitive Small Scale - World of Warcraft ranked arenas, especially 3v3

Realm vs Realm - Guild Wars 2 WvWvW

Open World - Star Wars Galaxies (Pre-CU)

Open World (full loot) - Ultima Online T2A era

PvPvE - DAoC Darkness Falls

Casual Battlegrounds - World of Warcraft

Overall, I'd give ESO's PvP a bland 6/10.

Housing, character customization, and questing on the other hand deserve a solid 9/10. Very well done.

Swg......No game has ever been anything like it. Also the crafting and housing system were top notch. Those were the days.....

Best MMO of all time, and much closer to a TES-style MMO than ESO.

master_vanargand · November 2021

Certainly ESO is the best MMO in the world.
But I don't think ESO is great.
The game balance of skills and sets is trash.

When will Nightblade's lowest trash skill "Drain Power" buff?
Need change Drain Power's Major Brutality and Major Sorcery to Siphoning Strikes.
And Drain Power, Sap Essence, Power Extraction needs to be redesigned.
If this wish comes true, I would like to thank ZoS 10,000 times a day.

Vevvev · November 2021

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Casual Battlegrounds - World of Warcraft

I'd actually give it to Guild Wars 2, but I never played WoW so I wouldn't know. All I know is GW2's small scale team vs team fights were actually balanced, fun, and more about the class and free PvP items you picked than what OP gear you brought with you.

Blinx · November 2021

I've been playing over a year, and enjoy it, but it's a confusing mess if you don't follow the story as was originally intended.
Started on ps4 elsweyr, game didn't really click with me until MS put the base game on gamepass, and I gave it another shot.

This time, my character began the story in Coldharbour, and I met Lyris, and Varen from the get go, and I was thoroughly hooked, haven't stopped playing since

DreamyLu · November 2021

I would not tell that one game or the other is best, because it's purely a matter of preferences. Personally, I prefer GW2 (and GW) lot more than any other MMOs, including ESO. For me, GW/GW2 win first place.

As for ESO specifically, there are by far too many things that I find - for me personally - not OK in the game. Some are peanuts of the type QoL, so no worries, but some others are basics of the game, that I definitely do prefer in other games, like for example:
- The combat concept.
- The non sharing of resources nodes.
- The research concept for traits.
- The trading concept.
Last but not least, the fact that it needs 3rd party addons to enjoy a comfortable user interface/management... weeeell...

Jeremy · November 2021

irswat wrote: »

I have played a few of the others including ff14 and new life, but neither is as good as ESO. The combat is novel, its empowering, its stimulating, its interesting, its deep. The end game content is fun and challenging, albeit new raids are too sparse. IMO. The graphics continue to improve. I got one of them fancy new graphics cards and cranked the graphics up and turned on the new antialiasing, and the game looks gorgeous in 4k in the newer zones. I know I am not alone in hope the older zones and textures get a little update and polish. I was playing new world and their game sucks. the leveling experience sucks. the company is completely disconnected from the players and the experience. I know people have said that ZOS in the past, but after a taste of what AGS I have a new appreciation for what you have created and given to us. Really my only complaint with the game is the awful performance in PVP. I have been playing long enough that I remember being able to play in cyrodil on a friday or saturday night with huge responsive faction v faction battles. Its been a while since then, but I hope you guys figure out the PVP performance thing, that would be awesome.

Final Fantasy 14 sucks and I'll never understand what so many people see in that boring game. I think Final Fantasy 11 is way better.

But to your point: ESO is definitely one of the better MMORPGs on the market. There are others that do specific things better, but none of them can match the variety of play this game has.

Jeremy · November 2021

Thraben wrote: »

I miss the class mechanics from Lord of the Rings Online.

Off-Healer, Buff and Debuff classes were far more engaging to play there.

That being said, I've been playing THIS game since Beta, so it must have done something terribly right

Lord of the Rings Online had really good class-based strategy, including support classes done right, that made doing dungeons a lot of fun. Sadly a lot of that has been watered down and the game that exists now barely resembles the excellent game it used to be.

Simple and mindless gameplay seems to be what sells. MMORPGs that have strategic class roles never seen to do well.

dinokstrunz · November 2021

I'd would've said ESO is a solid 8/10 MMO 3 years ago but now it's more like a 4or 5 out of 10 MMO. It's really slumped downwards these past number of years in terms of quality and content.

Jeremy · November 2021

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

[*] Casual Battlegrounds - World of Warcraft

That was the only thing I liked about World of Warcraft, was their Battle Grounds. They did a nice job with those. No lag and objective-based large scale PvP done right. It's really the only MMORPG I've ever played that had large scale PvP that was fun.

etchedpixels · November 2021

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I am in Britain and I am getting 73 ms. 73. My normal ping is the vast majority of games is between 21 and 35. This is the case as well in other MMORPGs. .

If you trace the route to the Zenmiax network range you'll see how much of it is them and how much is the game servers. For me the network latency is 22-23ms (path via twelve99 and level 3), then about another 50-70ms coming from Zenimax game severs - which is pretty horrible by modern standards.

Muttsmutt · November 2021

yeah. title checks out.

i hate MMORPGs though.
i love the TES world.

it's a weird blend.
it works.

Dark_Wizard · November 2021

TESO is nice mmo with TONS of bugs, that greedy noob zos cant fix still beta. They add only shop items.

Hate this game. Every patch bugs bugs bugs. Error 303 now - spend all day detecting unworked addons. Then error 307 - wait 25 minutes to log in.

P.S. And worst aggro system from all MMO ever!

FF14 is much much better quality.

_adhyffbjjjf12 · November 2021

Competitive Small Scale - GW2 (not WOW because of the constant power increases and out of control balance issues)
Realm vs Realm - Guild Wars 2 WvWvW. Could be ESO if they sorted out performance.
Open World - EVE online, everything else i've seen has been a sucker punch game/gank fest.
Casual Battlegrounds - GW2. ESO could be up there if there was more variety.

BomblePants · November 2021

Thread derailed…..

Kidgangster101 · November 2021

irswat wrote: »

I have played a few of the others including ff14 and new life, but neither is as good as ESO. The combat is novel, its empowering, its stimulating, its interesting, its deep. The end game content is fun and challenging, albeit new raids are too sparse. IMO. The graphics continue to improve. I got one of them fancy new graphics cards and cranked the graphics up and turned on the new antialiasing, and the game looks gorgeous in 4k in the newer zones. I know I am not alone in hope the older zones and textures get a little update and polish. I was playing new world and their game sucks. the leveling experience sucks. the company is completely disconnected from the players and the experience. I know people have said that ZOS in the past, but after a taste of what AGS I have a new appreciation for what you have created and given to us. Really my only complaint with the game is the awful performance in PVP. I have been playing long enough that I remember being able to play in cyrodil on a friday or saturday night with huge responsive faction v faction battles. Its been a while since then, but I hope you guys figure out the PVP performance thing, that would be awesome.

So I disagree here with quite a bit.

Content wise ESO has nothing on a game like ff14. Ff14 is about to launch another dlc that will have 5 huge new zones and deep story along with it. The story usually takes 30+ hours where when a eso chapter drops you can finish the main story in 3-5 hours. It only has one zone so just on that comparison alone the content is actually weak. Ff14 also drops new content without needing to purchase extra chapters. Usually each dlc major dlc has 5 full dungeons, has some trial arena fights, and then they continue it usually with 1 new trial fight along with new dungeon. Eso again just doesn't compete there.

Server stability is just utter trash. A lot of load times are "incredibly long load times" and make you want to rip your hair out. So many basic glitches that have been in the game since launch that never get addressed. That is pathetic to be fair. Dlc just keeps rolling out even though if glitches are reported on test they continue to roll it out anyways. Necro took 1 full year to get fixed on blastbones.....ff14 doesn't have this problem much. Sure sometimes there will be lag spikes but most part the game can run fine even in 24 man dungeons....... If you put 24 people spamming abilities together in one spot you get how cyrodil acts where it freezes up.

They focus too much on crown store. If there is a problem there it is fixed extremely quick tho.....what exactly are they doing with that money everyone invests? It def doesn't go back into fixing the server and making it more stable. So again is this the best MMO ever? Not even close.

This game was amazing the first year. The servers were super good. You could have full blown fights in cyrodil where the ENTIRE pop locked zone could be at one spot and it worked so smoothly. And again anyone here since beta knows there wasn't much here endgame pve wise because cyrodil was endgame. They had craglorn I believe later introduced or maybe the trials arrived after. But in craglorn you actually needed a GROUP to survive.

The way the game is catered now is just crazy. You can solo a lot of stuff (even vet dungeons) idk just my thoughts comparing it to only one game. In it's prime eso ran smoothly and was really amazing but as it evolved and wasn't taken care of the game fell off hard in comparison to other games. Nothing will ever touch a ff11 or ff14 story they are so in depth that in 14 the story is just now wrapping up from I think a 8 year story......... If that's not deep than what is? Eso little yeah 1 zone and small add ONS can't even touch that at all

SydneyGrey · November 2021

It's the best MMO I've ever played, and the one I've stayed with the longest. Been playing since Nov. 2016 and I still play every day.

*Edit* That means this month is my 5th anniversary of playing. Happy anniversary to me!

Jeremy · November 2021

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

irswat wrote: »

I have played a few of the others including ff14 and new life, but neither is as good as ESO. The combat is novel, its empowering, its stimulating, its interesting, its deep. The end game content is fun and challenging, albeit new raids are too sparse. IMO. The graphics continue to improve. I got one of them fancy new graphics cards and cranked the graphics up and turned on the new antialiasing, and the game looks gorgeous in 4k in the newer zones. I know I am not alone in hope the older zones and textures get a little update and polish. I was playing new world and their game sucks. the leveling experience sucks. the company is completely disconnected from the players and the experience. I know people have said that ZOS in the past, but after a taste of what AGS I have a new appreciation for what you have created and given to us. Really my only complaint with the game is the awful performance in PVP. I have been playing long enough that I remember being able to play in cyrodil on a friday or saturday night with huge responsive faction v faction battles. Its been a while since then, but I hope you guys figure out the PVP performance thing, that would be awesome.

So I disagree here with quite a bit.

Content wise ESO has nothing on a game like ff14. Ff14 is about to launch another dlc that will have 5 huge new zones and deep story along with it. The story usually takes 30+ hours where when a eso chapter drops you can finish the main story in 3-5 hours. It only has one zone so just on that comparison alone the content is actually weak. Ff14 also drops new content without needing to purchase extra chapters. Usually each dlc major dlc has 5 full dungeons, has some trial arena fights, and then they continue it usually with 1 new trial fight along with new dungeon. Eso again just doesn't compete there.

Server stability is just utter trash. A lot of load times are "incredibly long load times" and make you want to rip your hair out. So many basic glitches that have been in the game since launch that never get addressed. That is pathetic to be fair. Dlc just keeps rolling out even though if glitches are reported on test they continue to roll it out anyways. Necro took 1 full year to get fixed on blastbones.....ff14 doesn't have this problem much. Sure sometimes there will be lag spikes but most part the game can run fine even in 24 man dungeons....... If you put 24 people spamming abilities together in one spot you get how cyrodil acts where it freezes up.

They focus too much on crown store. If there is a problem there it is fixed extremely quick tho.....what exactly are they doing with that money everyone invests? It def doesn't go back into fixing the server and making it more stable. So again is this the best MMO ever? Not even close.

This game was amazing the first year. The servers were super good. You could have full blown fights in cyrodil where the ENTIRE pop locked zone could be at one spot and it worked so smoothly. And again anyone here since beta knows there wasn't much here endgame pve wise because cyrodil was endgame. They had craglorn I believe later introduced or maybe the trials arrived after. But in craglorn you actually needed a GROUP to survive.

The way the game is catered now is just crazy. You can solo a lot of stuff (even vet dungeons) idk just my thoughts comparing it to only one game. In it's prime eso ran smoothly and was really amazing but as it evolved and wasn't taken care of the game fell off hard in comparison to other games. Nothing will ever touch a ff11 or ff14 story they are so in depth that in 14 the story is just now wrapping up from I think a 8 year story......... If that's not deep than what is? Eso little yeah 1 zone and small add ONS can't even touch that at all

You actually like the stories on FF14? Because I think they're pretty terrible myself and end up skipping them as fast as they allow. Doing the story quests on that game was always a chore for me and most of the characters are so boring I find them impossible to read.

For example: I like that rat in the Deadlands story so far better than any of the main characters on FF14. Those Ascian villains are pretty cool. But that was about it.

Now 'll admit ESO does cater too much to make solo play as simple as possible, and the gameplay has suffered because of that. But most of Final Fantasy 14's questing is just running around endlessly talking to different NPCs. To me: the questing on that game is truly awful. And most of the challenging group content revolves around memorizing patterns on the floor so you know when and where to run. It feels more like I'm playing a game of twister or something.

Kwoung · November 2021

xeNNNNN wrote: »

PvP is the biggest problem for the game honestly in terms of performance but I have started to notice its creeping into PvE a lot too.

Comparatively compared to when I DPS'ed a year ago to doing so now, there is a noticeable lag in abilities meaning my light attacks just refuse to go off when I actually click between abilities. For a magblade or just anyone really I guess, a lot of your damage comes from your light weaving or medium weaving, it makes up for a lot of DPS so when your skill isn't the problem and the latency is then its pretty bad.

I am in Britain and I am getting 73 ms. 73. My normal ping is the vast majority of games is between 21 and 35. This is the case as well in other MMORPGs.

So they definitely have a problem that needs fixing, I am just not sure they know how to based on the fact its been pretty much the same since after the first year of the game. Though during the first year the lag was not that bad at all.

It seems odd that everything ZOS is doing goes against having great performance in their game. Yes, I get they want to make crown sales, keep players interested with new sets, new effects, let everyone customize their characters to look like their favorite superhero if they so desire, but all these things directly affect game performance.

The more unique items and new calculations you inject, the more power it takes to run it. Which is why we are seeing PVE content starting to experience the same issues that PVP has for years, and why PVP has gotten so incredibly bad. Cyrodiil used to have 500+ players running around, all looking different, all doing different things, it took a lot more horsepower to run it than say, a trial with 12 people or a zone with 100 in the instance. But now, enough new items, customizations, calculations and effects have been added, that even those 12 or 100 are feeling the effects of it.

Anyhow, this has been long known and well proven since near the beginning of MMO's. So quite honestly, if ZOS wants to keep pushing new stuff into the game and selling those crown items, they really need to use some of that profit and just pony up and purchase the horsepower to handle it, instead of expecting it to run smoothly on the level of hardware the game was released with.

Even if they nailed their projections perfectly and had a solid 5 year growth plan in place based on their crown/gear/calculations growth (pretty much a standard thing to do) when making the original hardware purchases, we have past that point quite a while back, so todays issues aren't really a surprise.

EDIT: Opps, I forgot to agree! All that aside, ESO is one of the better games I have ever played as well.