How to stop the crowns inflation

hafgood · October 2021

The one thing I would say is this is a PC problem. It is not a console problem, therefore any controls put in place by Zos to reduce the amount of gold in the game would affect 2/3rds of the player base where inflation isn't an issue to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Yup, there is no problem with the crown price. There is an entitlement problem with expecting to get them at a price that suits the purchaser rather than the seller.

If crowns are too expensive to buy with your gold on PC I would suggest you start doing writs on multiple characters to increase your gold supply.

Zos are not going to introduce gold sinks or reduce the amount of gold coming into the game, there is no incentive, and no reason to do so, and as I said any changes they make affect 2/3rds of the player base unfairly.

So please stop trying to get the game changed because of "inflation" and start questioning whether that must have item that you can't afford in the crown store really is must have, and if it is maybe buy some crowns with your money rather than someone else's

KalyanLazair · October 2021

hafgood wrote: »

The one thing I would say is this is a PC problem. It is not a console problem, therefore any controls put in place by Zos to reduce the amount of gold in the game would affect 2/3rds of the player base where inflation isn't an issue to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Yup, there is no problem with the crown price. There is an entitlement problem with expecting to get them at a price that suits the purchaser rather than the seller.

If crowns are too expensive to buy with your gold on PC I would suggest you start doing writs on multiple characters to increase your gold supply.

Zos are not going to introduce gold sinks or reduce the amount of gold coming into the game, there is no incentive, and no reason to do so, and as I said any changes they make affect 2/3rds of the player base unfairly.

So please stop trying to get the game changed because of "inflation" and start questioning whether that must have item that you can't afford in the crown store really is must have, and if it is maybe buy some crowns with your money rather than someone else's

Awesome. Been thinking about this ever since this topic popped up. Crowns are obtained via real world money, be it through buying them, or be it through suscription like in my case. Some users have more crowns than they need and decide to sell them for IN GAME money (which is a made up coin that's totally worthless outside of ESO, unlike euros or dollars or cryptos). Yet people want ZOS to force sellers to lower the price in worthless, made up coin, of something they paid real coin for.

Sylvermynx · October 2021

hafgood wrote: »

The one thing I would say is this is a PC problem. It is not a console problem, therefore any controls put in place by Zos to reduce the amount of gold in the game would affect 2/3rds of the player base where inflation isn't an issue to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Yup, there is no problem with the crown price. There is an entitlement problem with expecting to get them at a price that suits the purchaser rather than the seller.

If crowns are too expensive to buy with your gold on PC I would suggest you start doing writs on multiple characters to increase your gold supply.

Zos are not going to introduce gold sinks or reduce the amount of gold coming into the game, there is no incentive, and no reason to do so, and as I said any changes they make affect 2/3rds of the player base unfairly.

So please stop trying to get the game changed because of "inflation" and start questioning whether that must have item that you can't afford in the crown store really is must have, and if it is maybe buy some crowns with your money rather than someone else's

Yeah.... I don't buy crowns with gold. I spend my own money for them. I have two accounts, sub a year at a time on both, and when I run out of crowns, I buy more with my real money.

Gold.... well, I have plenty of it, and not much to spend it on. But this is the first MMO I've played where making gold wasn't too difficult, so I'm enjoying the "feel' of being rich....

wolfie1.0. · October 2021

hafgood wrote: »

The one thing I would say is this is a PC problem. It is not a console problem, therefore any controls put in place by Zos to reduce the amount of gold in the game would affect 2/3rds of the player base where inflation isn't an issue to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Yup, there is no problem with the crown price. There is an entitlement problem with expecting to get them at a price that suits the purchaser rather than the seller.

If crowns are too expensive to buy with your gold on PC I would suggest you start doing writs on multiple characters to increase your gold supply.

Zos are not going to introduce gold sinks or reduce the amount of gold coming into the game, there is no incentive, and no reason to do so, and as I said any changes they make affect 2/3rds of the player base unfairly.

So please stop trying to get the game changed because of "inflation" and start questioning whether that must have item that you can't afford in the crown store really is must have, and if it is maybe buy some crowns with your money rather than someone else's

Or maybe realize that the person that bought the crowns decided to invest those funds into a game that doesn't have any real world value, and in doing so decided that they didn't really need the crown items themselves, so they decided to trade them away for an in game currency that they felt that they could use instead. some of them understand that not everyone can afford crowns, so they sell to those people crowns paid for with IRL funds what they wouldn't normally be able to obtain.

Granted not everyone that does this is a saint, there are people that abuse the system and will charge higher rates than others. I even knew one seller that would sell crowns at a higher rate than normal (and get it) and then turn around and try to buy crowns from others at a much lower rate. so people will take advantage.

At the end though, crowns to gold is a player driven transaction and exchange rate. Anytime that ZOS gets involved with these types of transactions ZOS wins and players lose. keep that in mind.

merpins · October 2021

#4. I don't think we should be able to buy crowns, per se. But rather just make the items in the crown store have a fixed gold cost. This would allow ZoS to regulate it, never have to deal with people buying/selling crowns since it would be regulated, and players would be able to use in-game currency to buy stuff in the cash shop.

Obviously this will never happen, nor will any of the suggestions, because though buying and selling crowns is not against the TOS, it's generally discouraged by the ZoS team since it's unregulated real-world-trading. The only reason it's not outright agains the TOS is because ZoS makes more money from whales thanks to it being legal in-game. I'm sure if it was up to the game designers and devs, the crown store items would be attainable through in-game events, quests, gold, and achievements, and the loot boxes wouldn't exist or at the very least would be solely something you get in-game and not by buying them with gold. These decisions are made by corporate and pushed by shareholders in the company, that's why virtually no good cosmetic items in the game are attainable without spending real cash on them. The cash shop is a necessary thing to keep MMO's afloat, at least when it comes to keeping shareholders and corporate happy, which allows them to keep the game funded and online. Without pleasing the business side, the game side would be canned. But it's just a shame that there is no middle ground here, as it has been reached in other MMO's (like WOW).

EDIT: here's my hot take. Cosmetics should not be cash shop items. They should be available through gameplay, achievements- attainable without spending money. That's not the hot take. The hot take is making the cash shop more P2W. Not by making people with money more powerful, but by selling the things players want to skip. They already do this with sky shards and skill lines, and make it so you need to have maxed a skill line on a character to buy it on another. I like that. If they made it so you could buy your way to level 50 on a character as well (including class-specific skill lines obviously), if you've already got a guy to level 50 before, that would sell as well. Stuff like that, with some conveniences like bag upgrades, bank upgrades, unlocking wayshrines in zones where you've unlocked all of them before... Not by making it harder to do something like with timed mount upgrades and having to wait for weapon traits then selling the solution, but making those things cost gold with an exponential increase like with banks and inventory as to sell that in the cash shop. But not in increments, I think they should be sold as "max x thing" like a max bank space buy or max carry capacity buy... Just my two cents.

WereElf · October 2021

hafgood wrote: »

Zos are not going to introduce gold sinks or reduce the amount of gold coming into the game, there is no incentive, and no reason to do so, and as I said any changes they make affect 2/3rds of the player base unfairly.

So please stop trying to get the game changed because of "inflation" and start questioning whether that must have item that you can't afford in the crown store really is must have, and if it is maybe buy some crowns with your money rather than someone else's

Where did you come up with this "2/3". I haven't researched how the population of the game is spread throughout the servers, but that number doesn't sound right.

Furthermore, there IS a pretty good reason to introduce gold sinks into the game. Which is indeed inflation - in general, not just crown specific one.
As I said, I haven't researched the topic, but I wouldn't think that more than 1/10 of the players are playing on console. And the lower population there is the reason you haven't felt the inflation yet. But I could be wrong. If you can provide a link with where you got your information from, it'd be appreciated.

Amottica · October 2021

WereElf wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Zos are not going to introduce gold sinks or reduce the amount of gold coming into the game, there is no incentive, and no reason to do so, and as I said any changes they make affect 2/3rds of the player base unfairly.

So please stop trying to get the game changed because of "inflation" and start questioning whether that must have item that you can't afford in the crown store really is must have, and if it is maybe buy some crowns with your money rather than someone else's

Where did you come up with this "2/3". I haven't researched how the population of the game is spread throughout the servers, but that number doesn't sound right.

Furthermore, there IS a pretty good reason to introduce gold sinks into the game. Which is indeed inflation - in general, not just crown specific one.
As I said, I haven't researched the topic, but I wouldn't think that more than 1/10 of the players are playing on console. And the lower population there is the reason you haven't felt the inflation yet. But I could be wrong. If you can provide a link with where you got your information from, it'd be appreciated.

I expect they are just using a rough figure of 2/3rds as there is a much smaller percentage of the game that is flush with gold and larger that has shallow pockets.

Essentially, to add more gold sinks, and have them actually be effective, would make it harder for a large portion of the game to be able to trade gold for crowns because they will have much less. After all, that is the point of an effective gold sink.

In other words, those that think it costs to much gold to trade for crowns will likely have less gold to buy crowns.

I am not sure how consoles play into this since I expect they can gift crowns on all platforms. As such all platforms would experience the same changes made. However, adding gold sinks to the game and affect all players for the unlikely chance it would lower the gold cost for crown trades is unlikely. No reason to punish everyone over this.

WereElf · October 2021

Amottica wrote: »

I expect they are just using a rough figure of 2/3rds as there is a much smaller percentage of the game that is flush with gold and larger that has shallow pockets.

Essentially, to add more gold sinks, and have them actually be effective, would make it harder for a large portion of the game to be able to trade gold for crowns because they will have much less. After all, that is the point of an effective gold sink.

In other words, those that think it costs to much gold to trade for crowns will likely have less gold to buy crowns.

I am not sure how consoles play into this since I expect they can gift crowns on all platforms. As such all platforms would experience the same changes made. However, adding gold sinks to the game and affect all players for the unlikely chance it would lower the gold cost for crown trades is unlikely. No reason to punish everyone over this.

Why do you think of "gold sinks" as "punishing players"? The way I imagine it, the effective gold sink will make players' life easier, but it will also be reducing the amount of gold in the game. It should be completely optional, and not something that's 100% must have, but still desirable by the players, who can afford it.

Amottica · October 2021

WereElf wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

I expect they are just using a rough figure of 2/3rds as there is a much smaller percentage of the game that is flush with gold and larger that has shallow pockets.

Essentially, to add more gold sinks, and have them actually be effective, would make it harder for a large portion of the game to be able to trade gold for crowns because they will have much less. After all, that is the point of an effective gold sink.

In other words, those that think it costs to much gold to trade for crowns will likely have less gold to buy crowns.

I am not sure how consoles play into this since I expect they can gift crowns on all platforms. As such all platforms would experience the same changes made. However, adding gold sinks to the game and affect all players for the unlikely chance it would lower the gold cost for crown trades is unlikely. No reason to punish everyone over this.

Why do you think of "gold sinks" as "punishing players"? The way I imagine it, the effective gold sink will make players' life easier, but it will also be reducing the amount of gold in the game. It should be completely optional, and not something that's 100% must have, but still desirable by the players, who can afford it.

It does reduce the gold they earned in-game. Regardless, I do not see the point of arguing over such semantics. The reality is gold sinks in the game do not have a direct effect on the gold cost for trading for crowns.

Also, if the gold sink is Zenimax selling crowns for gold via an in-game NPC then that is something that is not going to happen. There are business people at Zenimax (and MS) that will not permit that to happen since it is guaranteed to reduce revenues. After all, gifting of crown items was added to the game specifically to increase said revenues.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · October 2021

Just adding more gold sinks would be a solution, here are a few ideas for what could become Gold Sinks

- Buyable Gold Tempers, Make NPCs sell bound rare ingredients and resources for a fixed price at around 5,000 gold each, people would buy large amounts of these items which means they would use up a lot of gold and overtime it would reduce the price of the gold temper in question making it harder to put more gold into the economy.

As for more extreme solutions

- Limit the Gold to 99,999,999 for both players and Guilds, if you have more then this well tough luck.

Shanrocks1 · October 2021

I dont think gold sinks will combat the problem of crown inflation entirely. I am going to guess that majority of crown purchases are related to crown crates. Reason I buy crates is to get those cool mounts so maybe add more in-game mounts. Maybe we can have a return of the indrik mounts but that are available all year around. Maybe have some base-game animals with different fur variations accessible to be mounts behind some easy or some casual level attainable achievements.

hafgood · October 2021

Can't be bothered to look it up as I'm not that excited by this discussion but Zos themselves have stated that the player base is broadly similar on PC to xbox to ps so that makes 2/3rds of the player base on console, and that means 2/3rds of the player base adversely affected by people wanting to solve a pc non problem

WereElf · October 2021

I actually just had an idea:
What if they implement solution (3), but make it optional. And when you enable it - you periodically get ads within your game.
This will be a bit difficult to implement into ESO's game engine, but this way players will be able to get crowns, without spending money (or gold), and ZoS wouldn't be losing revenue.
Of course, it will not address the issue with the inflation in general, but at least the crown prices may stabilize.

Ippokrates · October 2021

WereElf wrote: »

I actually just had an idea:
What if they implement solution (3), but make it optional. And when you enable it - you periodically get ads within your game.
This will be a bit difficult to implement into ESO's game engine, but this way players will be able to get crowns, without spending money (or gold), and ZoS wouldn't be losing revenue.
Of course, it will not address the issue with the inflation in general, but at least the crown prices may stabilize.

OMG Ads.... Sure that is what we are all looking for. Logining to ESO to see ads of Rats Shallow Legends or something alike ^^

SimonThesis · October 2021

The game does have gold sinks arguable not strong enough tho. The top tier trading guilds each bid 80+M gold a week on their trader. The problem is Zos closed the Argentinian loophole and kept putting nice things on the store everyone had to have, ex. Sweetwater Cascades house.

zaria · October 2021

TheEndBringer wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

TheEndBringer wrote: »

Either players need to stop paying that much with gold, which won't happen, or ZOS has to permanently decrease the price of crowns. Those are the only ways it could be leveled off.

Inflation is bad for any MMO but the trader system seems to be especially bad for it. At least add-ons on PC help alleviate this but on console if you aren't willing to travel zone to zone you just buy your goods at whatever rate the major trading guilds decide on.

You you can not buy crowns from traders anyway just from other players.
Now its interesting that this is an PC-EU only problem indicating that its crown discord who set the price.

One solution for this is something many other games have, let you buy an non bound crown box you can then sell at traders or in chat or give away as an gift. The recipient can open it and get the crowns added to account or trade it again if wanting.

Yes, I'm aware you can't buy crowns at a trader. My point is that the ESO economy is driven by greed and there's little to no way to combat it. With crowns, if the exchange discord decides 1 crown will cost x amount of gold, it becomes the standard.

The same goes with the trader system (mostly on console). A handful of guilds control most of the major trading hubs. There will be 5 versions of the same guild spread across the major zones. All the big trading guilds do this, so when they decide collectively to raise prices, those become the norm.

There's no reason to undercut either. I've hated the economy of this game from day one and it's not surprising that the crown exchange rate suffers due to players driving up prices. But hey, at least with crowns someone spent real money. Driving up the price for a set piece or mat usually has nothing to do with how hard it was to farm.

They could always let you sell crowns directly in traders rather than gifting the item from the store but they won't do that either.

Pretty much all want to get maximum for an sale and also buy as cheap as possible.

The real problem as you say is the discord groups, its too hard to sell crowns so few does this and its less of an need to for the more experienced players who can get into the discord system.
Again letting you buy crown packs from the crown store and letting you then sell this in the guild store or in chat / mail would make this much easier or safer increase crown sales and bring down the price as I imagine many new players might use this to get gold. Optionally letting us buy crown store items for sale but this is less flexible than crowns.

And as other point out its not much to spend gold on. Players who has played for years and are reasonable fungal as in not into houses an big way or buy all new items or motifs at day one will have lots of gold.

JN_Slevin · October 2021

Oh noes, my Crown vending machine wants more gold.

Lets go to the forums and complain about it, because I have no other choice but to buy crown items.

Honestly, I will never understand how you can treat crown trading like IRL food.

You do not need it, you can live without it!

And the guys saying that Crown Discords are the reason for the inflation... I cant even...

Crown discords server one purpose and one purpose only. Make crown trading safer for everyone involved.

And since the Crown Black Market got mentioned.. CBM is the epitome of Supply and Demand. Saying that the prices there has nothing to do with it is ignorant at best.
Everyone can come and sell crowns there, everyone can come and buy crowns there. There are 0 fees involved (if you don't want to use a middleman, if you do chances are its free anyway since the middlemen are doing their services for free for their guildmembers).

We said it before, we said it now and we will say it until ZOS fixes the economy, there is too much gold in this game.

But ZOS doesn't seem to care. They keep introducing more and more gold into the game, so as far as I'm concerned it won`t stop anytime soon.

You know how to fix it?

Don't buy it
Sell yourself

The by far the best way to fix all the economic problems in this game is for ZOS to introduce crown trading as a gold sink:
Buy crowns for gold via NPC and destroy the used gold. It will make the game better in the long run.

Another option would be to make something similar to EVE, offer ESO+ for gold.

But im not hopeful in that regard..

vibeborn · October 2021

I must admit that, when I saw people wanting to buy crowns, and then offered +1000 gold per crown, I was taken aback to put it midly.

I buy crowns when there's something I want off the crown store, and I am a ESO+ member so I get crowns every 3 months, so I do spend real money on the game - still, I think the inflation is wild, and I personally would have no problem selling crowns for about 500, maybe even as less as 300.

The question is whether or not I would be allowed to, or if there's some sort of prohibition against crown competition.

Kalik_Gold · October 2021

Still trading 100 to 1 on PS/NA server, have all DLCs unlocked, all races, classes and a ron of cosmetics, I spend like 200k a week doing this...

Would farm more if it was more things I wanted to buy.

Hallothiel · October 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Every time I read threads about inflation, they always make the point that the game needs more gold sinks. That part is obvious and I certainly wont dispute it. ESO needs better gold sinks.

The problem is that that conclusion misses half the equation. You also need to turn of the gold faucets (to continue the analogy). What happens when a country just starts printing money? They experiencing inflation. Pretty simple concept.

This game needs to turn off the gold supply, or at least turn it down, starting with crafting writs. It is beyond trivial to simply print 100k+ of gold out of thin air once a day by doing writs. As long as that is going on, we will have rampant inflation.

Lets look at your solutions:

1. Nothing wrong with introducing new gold sinks. Potions would be a great way to do it, they just need to be careful because they would be effectively taking control over that area of the market. Not saying it cant be done well, but they would need to be careful, even going as far as to adjust the prices each patch.

2. Wont happen, and you are addressing the symptom not the disease. The issue is not that gold to crown prices are out of hand, the issue is that gold has been devalued across the board (inflation). At best, this slightly lowers the cost of crowns for a few weeks, and like a fart in the wind, any benefit will be gone very quickly.

3. Totally against ZOSs self interest and a slap in the face to those that have and pay for ESO+. Similar to #2, you are addressing the symptoms and not the disease, but it would likely have a more lasting effect than a one time gift.

4. Again, totally against ZOS's self interest. From their perspective, crown gifting increases crown sales because it allows more buyers into the market. That said, there is still always a sale (crowns are purchased and spent) each time the CS is used. They dont care that it goes throw a middle man, a sale is a sale to them. Even if a two way street, you are assuming that enough people would buy gold with crowns to balance the people that are buying crowns with gold. There is a price that would be true, but the is the current market price we have. So unless ZOS was constantly managing that, at some point it would be upside down in one direction. It would certainly help with securing transactions, but it wont help the issue of crown pricing. If zos sets the rate too low, it tanks their sales, because people just use gold to circumvent the crown store process entirely (in this situation, there is no purchase actually being made). If they set the price to high, people would just buy from other players at the best deal they could find, which is what we have now.

All of this misses the point. The issue here is not crown to gold prices, it is the value of gold as a currency. If you want to address that, and I firmly believe they should, you need to look at BOTH gold coming into the game AND gold going out of the game. Lots of ways to create gold sinks, the most obvious gold supply is crafting writs. These need nerfed hard.

But here's the problem, this inflation nonsense is only an issue on PC. Why? Because of add-ons that make crafting trivial.

Turning off gold faucets because of a PC issue will irreparably harm the console markets who don't have these issues.

The better solution: DISABLE the addons that are causing all of these issues. Force players to actually have to craft their daily writs instead of autocrafting them on 36+ characters across multiple accounts everyday.

This is a PC only problem and it is self harm from your own community of players. Get rid of the add-on and players actually have to put in effort to print gold in the game, and they likely won't do it anywhere near as much as they do now.

But no, do not change the actual game mechanics because of a player imposed issue on one platform.

Totally agree.

It takes times, even with the changes on console that make crafting easier - at least 5/6 mins running around Rawl’Kha. Then there is the logging in/out of different characters. Think have got it down to about 90-100 mins to do all 18.

That’s quite a bit of playtime - I have to CHOOSE if I want to spend time doing writs or do something else. Not just one click & done & gold/mats got.

hexnotic · October 2021

Crowns are expensive. The crown to gold ratio should reflect that.

thorwyn · October 2021

Remove crown store gifts. Problem solved.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2021

KalyanLazair wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

The one thing I would say is this is a PC problem. It is not a console problem, therefore any controls put in place by Zos to reduce the amount of gold in the game would affect 2/3rds of the player base where inflation isn't an issue to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Yup, there is no problem with the crown price. There is an entitlement problem with expecting to get them at a price that suits the purchaser rather than the seller.

If crowns are too expensive to buy with your gold on PC I would suggest you start doing writs on multiple characters to increase your gold supply.

Zos are not going to introduce gold sinks or reduce the amount of gold coming into the game, there is no incentive, and no reason to do so, and as I said any changes they make affect 2/3rds of the player base unfairly.

So please stop trying to get the game changed because of "inflation" and start questioning whether that must have item that you can't afford in the crown store really is must have, and if it is maybe buy some crowns with your money rather than someone else's

Awesome. Been thinking about this ever since this topic popped up. Crowns are obtained via real world money, be it through buying them, or be it through subscription like in my case. Some users have more crowns than they need and decide to sell them for IN GAME money (which is a made up coin that's totally worthless outside of ESO, unlike euros or dollars or cryptos). Yet people want ZOS to force sellers to lower the price in worthless, made up coin, of something they paid real coin for.

Let's be fair, the coin is not worthless. It has value to people, which is why people are willing to buy crowns with RL money and sell them for in game gold. Again the issue is not that sellers are greedy or demanding to much for the IRL money, or that ZOS should somehow require them to lower their prices, the issue is that the commodity (in game gold) for which they exchange crowns, has been significantly devalued over time. The buying power of your gold will be worth less tomorrow than it is today. And that will continue to be the case.

I am 100% not surprised that crown prices have gone up. They will continue to go up because there is rampant inflation in this game, with no signs of slowing. It is absolutely worse on PC (crafting writs), so any solution should be tailored to a given platform. If you want to control inflation, you need to analyze BOTH the way gold comes into the game AND they way gold comes out of the game.

Not that they would, but if they simply cut everyone's bank accounts in ESO by 50% in the next update, or introduce some sort of wealth tax on people sitting on 10 figures of gold, crown prices would fall hard over night. Now that would cause mass outrage, despite the fact that it would probably be good for the game. A much better solution is to introduce new gold sinks AND lower the flow of money into the game.

Nanfoodle · October 2021

I dont agree with OP. People were cheating Zeni and thats why things have changed. This brings more value to ESO + IMO and that means more will sub and we will get more content. Keep it as it is ty

Tan9oSuccka · October 2021

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Sounds like a PC issue. Ps4 has been same 100:1 for a long while.

Buyers keep saying that, but I have doubts. They may want the price to be 100 to 1 but the market dictates otherwise.

To be honest 100 to 1 is a massive rip off for the seller. I would maybe sell crowns to non friends at 300 to 1. Even at that, I don’t really need gold. Soooo.

There are tons of buyers and very few sellers. Why? Gold is easy to attain mixed with an infinite pool of buyers.

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Nanfoodle · October 2021

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Sounds like a PC issue. Ps4 has been same 100:1 for a long while.

Buyers keep saying that, but I have doubts. They may want the price to be 100 to 1 but the market dictates otherwise.

To be honest 100 to 1 is a massive rip off for the seller. I would maybe sell crowns to non friends at 300 to 1. Even at that, I don’t really need gold. Soooo.

There are tons of buyers and very few sellers. Why? Gold is easy to attain mixed with an infinite pool of buyers.

If Zeni should make any change. They should remove the ability to give Crown Store items.

jaws343 · October 2021

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Sounds like a PC issue. Ps4 has been same 100:1 for a long while.

Buyers keep saying that, but I have doubts. They may want the price to be 100 to 1 but the market dictates otherwise.

To be honest 100 to 1 is a massive rip off for the seller. I would maybe sell crowns to non friends at 300 to 1. Even at that, I don’t really need gold. Soooo.

There are tons of buyers and very few sellers. Why? Gold is easy to attain mixed with an infinite pool of buyers.

They're not wrong though, on XBOX even, the price sits somewhere between 100-150 gold per crown. And that number hasn't moved in years. It's a very stable price that fluctuates very minutely by seller but all within the same ballpark. If any console seller tried to drop the 800+ gold per crown rate that PC is complaining about they'd be laughed out of the room and no one would buy from them.

Ippokrates · October 2021

Today i have seen on PC EU one offer in Craglorn for 1500:1, so we are not going back willfully

One thing that is worth mentioning, in context of too much gold, mainly from writs, is its impact on server performance. No expert here, but maybe some who know how system work can tell us how those constant log in & log out multiplied by millions worked with server? I am just wonder ;p

Nanfoodle · October 2021

Ippokrates wrote: »

Today i have seen on PC EU one offer in Craglorn for 1500:1, so we are not going back willfully

One thing that is worth mentioning, in context of too much gold, mainly from writs, is its impact on server performance. No expert here, but maybe some who know how system work can tell us how those constant log in & log out multiplied by millions worked with server? I am just wonder ;p

Seems most of the game is designed to log off and on. Even doing surveys, I can repeats in the same area Im logging off and on. I have never ported around the game more then ESO and I have been MMOing 20+ years. Funny you port to player to get into the zone you want, then you port to the WayShrine you really wanted. Im sure that takes up allot of system resources as well.