7.2.4 Crit / Bar Swap Bug

Altyrann · October 2021

Seems to be a major drop in damage between 7.2.3 and 7.2.4 despite nothing in notes to account for it. People are seeing issues with observed crit chance versus character crit chance stat which seem to occur on bar swapping.

Is this being looked at before it hits live @ZOS_Kevin ?

ArzyeL · October 2021

I am noticing an around 10k damage drop in my parses in 7.2.4 when compared to 7.2.3 parses. Same builds, sets, skills etc @ZOS_Kevin

themaddaedra · October 2021

Looks like fixing the stacking stats broke sth else with bar swap, effecting critical chance rolls. People are consistently having lower actual crit numbers than they should.

Also from what i've seen through various pts testers, they don't have this problem unless they bar swap. Lots of parses with one bar have correct critical hit values but it starts going down when they use bar swap.

Is this being looked at, or are we all to embrace the coming of the one-bar meta?

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Faint_One · October 2021

ArzyeL wrote: »

I am noticing an around 10k damage drop in my parses in 7.2.4 when compared to 7.2.3 parses. Same builds, sets, skills etc @ZOS_Kevin

yeah，same to me with skill drop max dmg from 106000 to 99000

colossalvoids · October 2021

Yeah seems like around ten percents of effective crit just vanishes randomly.

skinnycheeks · October 2021

yep, you also lose your perfected bonus if it is stam or mag, like relequen or siroria. the crit chance is fine if you never swap to your back bar, but if you barswap even once, it removes roughly 10% or so, like you guys said.

ZOS_Kevin · October 2021

Hi All! Thanks for the feedback here. We touched base with our combat team about the issue and sent your feedback in the thread. They are aware of the issue and investigating.

Altyrann · October 2021

Thanks for the update

MashmalloMan · October 2021

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All! Thanks for the feedback here. We touched base with our combat team about the issue and sent your feedback in the thread. They are aware of the issue and investigating.

Can you acknowledge this weapon swap bug as well and whether or not it's fixed for the next patch?

MashmalloMan wrote: »

https://youtu.be/2ATwVC2rCcg

Context: On live, the performance of the game gradually degrades the longer I play in regards to a frame rate drop when I weapon swap. The youtube video above doesn't illustrate it the best, but you get the general idea. The video is in 30 fps and I'm able to get upwards of 200 fps in the video. Regardless, you can see my frame counter drop drastically any time I weapon swap and the video noticably skips, this happens in game. The counter will drop from 200 to 170 or so every swap, but it actually feels like 0 frames for about 200 mileseconds.

Basically, weapon swapping degrades in to a slide show the longer I play. (Sometimes takes only 10 minutes, but past 1-2 hours, it's unplayable). Only fix is to restart the client.

This is hard to test for me because I'd need to stay logged in on the pts for an extended period of time to replicate the bug and I just have no reason to right now. So if someone has this bug on live, have you noticed it on PTS?

PC NA

Specs:
GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB TUF GAMING OC

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900x

RAM: Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz DDR4 32GB (16GBx2)

MOBO: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PRO (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard

OS: Windows 10 Home

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/589388/is-the-frame-drop-weapon-swap-bug-fixed-on-pts#latest

Tommy_The_Gun · October 2021

I also noticed a lot of wonky things on PTS. But it is not just DPS drop or Crit drop.

For instance - my health bar drops significantly when I swap bars on PTS. It is like 5 - 7K drop. When I unequip & re-equip an armour piece - then health bar returns to normal. But as soon as I bar swap again - it is all messed up again.

Note: I am not using different sets so I would lose some bonus when I bar swap. I also dont have any abilities slotted that would affect my max health.

At 1st I thought it has something to do with Gaze of Sithis Mythic that I use, but It does not matter. I can re-equip any gear and it gets fixed.

Logging off & on also fixes that, but /reloadui command does not, so it is not just an UI bug.

Tannus15 · October 2021

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All! Thanks for the feedback here. We touched base with our combat team about the issue and sent your feedback in the thread. They are aware of the issue and investigating.

is there going to be an update / build with a bug fix for this put into PTS?
it's basically useless for testing gear / builds while it's in this state.

Styxius · October 2021

Can confirm it easily for some reason bar swapping with two agility rings on just removes the stamina buff lol

ArzyeL · October 2021

Hello @ZOS_Kevin Is there an ETA on a possible fix or something new about this bug? Thank you.

Bastekk · October 2021

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1185676043?t=00h27m53s

ZOS_Kevin · October 2021

Thanks for the ping, @ArzyeL. We are checking in with the dev team now on this issue. We should have more to share on Thursday.

ArzyeL · October 2021

Awesome! Thank you @ZOS_Kevin

MECHA_STREISAND · October 2021

please don't leave us hanging, even bad news will be helpful.

Tigertron · October 2021

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Thanks for the ping, @ArzyeL. We are checking in with the dev team now on this issue. We should have more to share on Thursday.

Happy Thursday! Really would like to know if this is going to go live or how I should plan for it. Thanks.

MECHA_STREISAND · October 2021

We really shouldn't have to be asking tbh..

I'm assuming from the silence and it now being Friday that this is not going to be fixed in time for the DLC release.

Tigertron · October 2021

I must be from the weapon swapping bug/glitch fix.

Honestly they should let everyone know it will go live bugged. We are already getting a nerf to crit damage and then a 10-15% nerf to crit chance on top plus backbar essentially nerfing your front bar. I wont be pretty if it goes live with out an explanation.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2021

just did 2 parses and the crit amount seemed okay given the effective crit? maybe it was my weird af settup i was just doing for fun. can anyone else confirm that parsing seems fixed?

ArzyeL · October 2021

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

just did 2 parses and the crit amount seemed okay given the effective crit? maybe it was my weird af settup i was just doing for fun. can anyone else confirm that parsing seems fixed?

Still broken for me

Tigertron · October 2021

@ZOS_Kevin any news is better than no news. Thanks

ZOS_Kevin · October 2021

Sorry for the delay here, everyone! We checked in with the Dev Team and the bug is verified fixed for Monday.

Tigertron · October 2021

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Sorry for the delay here, everyone! We checked in with the Dev Team and the bug is verified fixed for Monday.

@ZOS_Kevin Good news! Is it working on PTS or will it just be on launch? Would love to finalize my build over the weekend before it drops. Thanks again.

saf227_ESO · October 2021

Which bug? There was a bug related to DPS loss from bar swap, and there's a bug related to FPS loss from bar swap. Are they both the same bug?

ZOS_Kevin · October 2021

The DPS loss is what we were referring to. We will need to check on FPS loss.

@Tigertron This will be on launch. We will check on when PTS will be updated, but the focus is on launch currently.

Tommy_The_Gun · October 2021

I was trying to figure this out, but I do not seem to find a clear pattern. It seems to be random.

I have tested it on multiple characters, and whenever I swap bars - random stats gets lowered. Sometimes it is max health. On other character it is max magicka. On other it is crit chance... Whatever it is, it seems to be affecting all the stats, but it is different (somehow) depending on the character.

So for one player it will be crit chance that goes down, and for the other max stamina or something else...

The bar swap bug does not occur if I don't have any weapons equipped (empty slots). The way to fix the bug is to re-log or re-equip any armour set piece.

If it is not going to be fixed by the time it goes live - it is gonna be a miserable experience for everyone.

The only solution I have found so far is to make a one-bar build & un-bind bar swap button to avoid random stats decreasing. But I guess that is not a good solution at all lol

Tigertron · October 2021

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I was trying to figure this out, but I do not seem to find a clear pattern. It seems to be random.

I have tested it on multiple characters, and whenever I swap bars - random stats gets lowered. Sometimes it is max health. On other character it is max magicka. On other it is crit chance... Whatever it is, it seems to be affecting all the stats, but it is different (somehow) depending on the character.

So for one player it will be crit chance that goes down, and for the other max stamina or something else...

The bar swap bug does not occur if I don't have any weapons equipped (empty slots). The way to fix the bug is to re-log or re-equip any armour set piece.

If it is not going to be fixed by the time it goes live - it is gonna be a miserable experience for everyone.

The only solution I have found so far is to make a one-bar build & un-bind bar swap button to avoid random stats decreasing. But I guess that is not a good solution at all lol

Yep. Skinnycheek has a youtube of it. I'm hoping it truly is fixed.

SidraWillowsky · October 2021

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Sorry for the delay here, everyone! We checked in with the Dev Team and the bug is verified fixed for Monday.

Thanks, Kevin! You rock.

saf227_ESO · October 2021

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

The DPS loss is what we were referring to. We will need to check on FPS loss.

@Tigertron This will be on launch. We will check on when PTS will be updated, but the focus is on launch currently.

Thanks for responding and for clarification!