Jman100582 wrote: »So currently the set can inflict either major breach, major cowardice, major defile, major maim, and major vulnerability. While all these debuffs are good for a variety of reasons, most of them are relatively easy to attain through other means/group comps. However major brittle is still not sourced despite minor brittle having been in the game for a substantial amount of time already, and this set just feels like it would be a nice way to introduce it. Seeing as how major breach is such an easy debuff to get in both pvp and pve, I don't think this set having it makes too much of a difference in either of those environments. If you were to replace it with major brittle, it would definitely make the set way more appealing as a whole and kind of put it out there more
It's going to be very easy to hit cap. With just a couple pieces medium, still using Kilt, having Major Force, Minor Brittle, Elemental Catalyst, etc. you won't even need Backstabber because you'll be over cap. It doesn't even take much thought to get over cap, just do what you're currently doing in most coordinated raids and you'll get there (e.g. stay as Khajiit, go one piece medium, backstabber, fighting finesse, etc.). You could swap out Kilt for Malacath's Band if you had Major Brittle, but... well, here's the issue: It's not going to be possible to coordinate it with supports' Warhorns for Major Force because it's RNG as to what debuff you'll get. You'll want Major Force up as often as possible or during burst phases. Meaning you simply might not have a Horn/Saxhleel when, or even if, the set gives you Major Brittle.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »re-thinking about it. Major Brittle could now be pretty viable on icy rage if you coordinated it with the support's major force to try and maximise uptime on the max crit dmg cap without major brittle being OP.
It's going to be very easy to hit cap. With just a couple pieces medium, still using Kilt, having Major Force, Minor Brittle, Elemental Catalyst, etc. you won't even need Backstabber because you'll be over cap. It doesn't even take much thought to get over cap, just do what you're currently doing in most coordinated raids and you'll get there (e.g. stay as Khajiit, go one piece medium, backstabber, fighting finesse, etc.). You could swap out Kilt for Malacath's Band if you had Major Brittle, but... well, here's the issue: It's not going to be possible to coordinate it with supports' Warhorns for Major Force because it's RNG as to what debuff you'll get. You'll want Major Force up as often as possible or during burst phases. Meaning you simply might not have a Horn/Saxhleel when, or even if, the set gives you Major Brittle.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »re-thinking about it. Major Brittle could now be pretty viable on icy rage if you coordinated it with the support's major force to try and maximise uptime on the max crit dmg cap without major brittle being OP.
I've tested this for a couple hours, each test was 10 minutes long. It's about as random as psudo-random can get. Sometimes Major Vulnerability didn't even proc. Sometimes it was the highest proc at 40%+. A lot of the time it was one of the non-offensive debuffs, Maim or Cowardice that took the high spots. Even if ZOS were to get rid of the non-offensive debuffs and only have significant damage increasing debuffs, you still can't really coordinate around having any specific debuff at any time, which makes it less effective than a set you know you can have Buff A or Buff B 80%-100% of the time.
Maybe. That was the standard consensus from what I've seen. Maybe even a morph of Warden's Sleet Storm.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »i don't think the set should be given major brittle. but i think icy rage could be opened up to it.
FeedbackOnly wrote: »I would like another way to get major brittle outside the ice staff.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »It's going to be very easy to hit cap. With just a couple pieces medium, still using Kilt, having Major Force, Minor Brittle, Elemental Catalyst, etc. you won't even need Backstabber because you'll be over cap. It doesn't even take much thought to get over cap, just do what you're currently doing in most coordinated raids and you'll get there (e.g. stay as Khajiit, go one piece medium, backstabber, fighting finesse, etc.). You could swap out Kilt for Malacath's Band if you had Major Brittle, but... well, here's the issue: It's not going to be possible to coordinate it with supports' Warhorns for Major Force because it's RNG as to what debuff you'll get. You'll want Major Force up as often as possible or during burst phases. Meaning you simply might not have a Horn/Saxhleel when, or even if, the set gives you Major Brittle.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »re-thinking about it. Major Brittle could now be pretty viable on icy rage if you coordinated it with the support's major force to try and maximise uptime on the max crit dmg cap without major brittle being OP.
I've tested this for a couple hours, each test was 10 minutes long. It's about as random as psudo-random can get. Sometimes Major Vulnerability didn't even proc. Sometimes it was the highest proc at 40%+. A lot of the time it was one of the non-offensive debuffs, Maim or Cowardice that took the high spots. Even if ZOS were to get rid of the non-offensive debuffs and only have significant damage increasing debuffs, you still can't really coordinate around having any specific debuff at any time, which makes it less effective than a set you know you can have Buff A or Buff B 80%-100% of the time.
i don't think the set should be given major brittle. but i think icy rage could be opened up to it.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »It's going to be very easy to hit cap. With just a couple pieces medium, still using Kilt, having Major Force, Minor Brittle, Elemental Catalyst, etc. you won't even need Backstabber because you'll be over cap. It doesn't even take much thought to get over cap, just do what you're currently doing in most coordinated raids and you'll get there (e.g. stay as Khajiit, go one piece medium, backstabber, fighting finesse, etc.). You could swap out Kilt for Malacath's Band if you had Major Brittle, but... well, here's the issue: It's not going to be possible to coordinate it with supports' Warhorns for Major Force because it's RNG as to what debuff you'll get. You'll want Major Force up as often as possible or during burst phases. Meaning you simply might not have a Horn/Saxhleel when, or even if, the set gives you Major Brittle.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »re-thinking about it. Major Brittle could now be pretty viable on icy rage if you coordinated it with the support's major force to try and maximise uptime on the max crit dmg cap without major brittle being OP.
I've tested this for a couple hours, each test was 10 minutes long. It's about as random as psudo-random can get. Sometimes Major Vulnerability didn't even proc. Sometimes it was the highest proc at 40%+. A lot of the time it was one of the non-offensive debuffs, Maim or Cowardice that took the high spots. Even if ZOS were to get rid of the non-offensive debuffs and only have significant damage increasing debuffs, you still can't really coordinate around having any specific debuff at any time, which makes it less effective than a set you know you can have Buff A or Buff B 80%-100% of the time.
i don't think the set should be given major brittle. but i think icy rage could be opened up to it.
Alternatively Northern Storm could be given Major Brittle instead of Major Protection. That would put magdens in a similar spot to Necros with their exclusive Major Vulnerability.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »It's going to be very easy to hit cap. With just a couple pieces medium, still using Kilt, having Major Force, Minor Brittle, Elemental Catalyst, etc. you won't even need Backstabber because you'll be over cap. It doesn't even take much thought to get over cap, just do what you're currently doing in most coordinated raids and you'll get there (e.g. stay as Khajiit, go one piece medium, backstabber, fighting finesse, etc.). You could swap out Kilt for Malacath's Band if you had Major Brittle, but... well, here's the issue: It's not going to be possible to coordinate it with supports' Warhorns for Major Force because it's RNG as to what debuff you'll get. You'll want Major Force up as often as possible or during burst phases. Meaning you simply might not have a Horn/Saxhleel when, or even if, the set gives you Major Brittle.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »re-thinking about it. Major Brittle could now be pretty viable on icy rage if you coordinated it with the support's major force to try and maximise uptime on the max crit dmg cap without major brittle being OP.
I've tested this for a couple hours, each test was 10 minutes long. It's about as random as psudo-random can get. Sometimes Major Vulnerability didn't even proc. Sometimes it was the highest proc at 40%+. A lot of the time it was one of the non-offensive debuffs, Maim or Cowardice that took the high spots. Even if ZOS were to get rid of the non-offensive debuffs and only have significant damage increasing debuffs, you still can't really coordinate around having any specific debuff at any time, which makes it less effective than a set you know you can have Buff A or Buff B 80%-100% of the time.
i don't think the set should be given major brittle. but i think icy rage could be opened up to it.
Alternatively Northern Storm could be given Major Brittle instead of Major Protection. That would put magdens in a similar spot to Necros with their exclusive Major Vulnerability.
They'd also need to buff northern storm itself as well if they take major protection off it. As a 200 cost ultimate it's definitely worse than other similar options in pve. I'd experiment with dropping the cost down a bit. Just major brittle itself wouldn't be enough now with a crit cap. Since you'd probably mainly use it/coordinate when group major force runs out.
ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »It's going to be very easy to hit cap. With just a couple pieces medium, still using Kilt, having Major Force, Minor Brittle, Elemental Catalyst, etc. you won't even need Backstabber because you'll be over cap. It doesn't even take much thought to get over cap, just do what you're currently doing in most coordinated raids and you'll get there (e.g. stay as Khajiit, go one piece medium, backstabber, fighting finesse, etc.). You could swap out Kilt for Malacath's Band if you had Major Brittle, but... well, here's the issue: It's not going to be possible to coordinate it with supports' Warhorns for Major Force because it's RNG as to what debuff you'll get. You'll want Major Force up as often as possible or during burst phases. Meaning you simply might not have a Horn/Saxhleel when, or even if, the set gives you Major Brittle.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »re-thinking about it. Major Brittle could now be pretty viable on icy rage if you coordinated it with the support's major force to try and maximise uptime on the max crit dmg cap without major brittle being OP.
I've tested this for a couple hours, each test was 10 minutes long. It's about as random as psudo-random can get. Sometimes Major Vulnerability didn't even proc. Sometimes it was the highest proc at 40%+. A lot of the time it was one of the non-offensive debuffs, Maim or Cowardice that took the high spots. Even if ZOS were to get rid of the non-offensive debuffs and only have significant damage increasing debuffs, you still can't really coordinate around having any specific debuff at any time, which makes it less effective than a set you know you can have Buff A or Buff B 80%-100% of the time.
i don't think the set should be given major brittle. but i think icy rage could be opened up to it.
Alternatively Northern Storm could be given Major Brittle instead of Major Protection. That would put magdens in a similar spot to Necros with their exclusive Major Vulnerability.
They'd also need to buff northern storm itself as well if they take major protection off it. As a 200 cost ultimate it's definitely worse than other similar options in pve. I'd experiment with dropping the cost down a bit. Just major brittle itself wouldn't be enough now with a crit cap. Since you'd probably mainly use it/coordinate when group major force runs out.
It would be in a tough spot, it would be quite an underpowered ulti in an optimised group but risks being OP for soloing if it's too cheap and adds, what, 20% crit damage taken?