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Stam whip is really nonsense
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Ergele✭✭✭it makes no difference for mag dks tho?
They still cost mag, they just scale with both.0 -
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✭✭RandomKodiak wrote: »Stam DKs right now are the lowest damage dealers in the game, by a fair bit. I don't understand the mentality of people trying to tell them to be happy with it and leave all the mag DK stuff be. As far as "But you have so many weapon choices" when all those choices still leave Stam DKs at the bottom of the pile because they have no class synergies that work well with them why would they not ask for some help through classes? I have a DK bow/bow (as in almost every skill uses poison) and on the PTS he still can't do squat. My main is a bow/bow, I have leveled every class in this game in bow/bow and DKs despite the poison buff are still at least 5k behind all the others. So trying to convince people that they should just be happy at the bottom because they have so many different choices of how to stay there is silly.
None of this has anything to do with damage/dps output. That is a separate discussion entirely.
You might find this shocking, but class passive synergies and the throughput they provide when used with class skills are power balanced around the very same type of passive bonuses that are tied to weapon skills. It's all relative, and when it's out of wack, that is a problem with developer balance and not around the concept that non class skill lines exist in eso for a reason.0 -
RandomKodiak✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »None of this has anything to do with damage/dps output. That is a separate discussion entirely.
It has everything to do with the discussion. Mag is afraid they are going to get something taken away and do less damage. As far as balance that is on the developers and why the forums are here (in theory). So Stam asking for a spamable that works is not "Nonsense or Madness" in the original posters words. Once again it doesn't matter how many choices Stam DKs have to chose from if they all suck. For the same reasons Mag DKs love whip because it synergises well with passives Stam should be able to ask for that as well. Also the fact that the original poster even bothered to mention Poopfist or Crushing from the Psijic line shows he has no idea of what he's talking about as one is the most reviled skill in the game right now and the other is worthless on any build. As far as stam players wanting a class skill to use as a spamable, stam whip has been being asked for for at least the 3 1/2 years I have been playing most likely longer so passing it off as a trend is wrong as well. I agree this is a developer issue and they should step in and find a better solution but until then the original poster and anyone who agrees with them should back down on the "Be happy about sucking and leave my stuff alone" rhetoric which is exactly what the original post said in more words.0 -
Iriidius✭✭✭✭✭unmorphed: molten whip(atm one of the morphs)
morph 1: power lash
morph 2: stamina whip
I dont think anybody prefers old unmorphed version(lava whip) over the morphs.
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exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@RandomKodiak
No this is still besides the point. I'm was speaking strictly in regards to those who feel class skills should be superior to weapon skills and by extension, Dks not needing a stam whip. People want a stam whip only because they are annoyed that they, as a stam dk, cant use a DK themed spammable.
Regardless of how its balanced, a stamina whip is entirely redundant in a game that has an abundance of alternative options.
I never involved myself with the OPs stance on magdk losing anything, which is an equally ridiculous position to take.Edited by exeeter702 on September 26, 2021 8:19PM0 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »@RandomKodiak
No this is still besides the point. I'm was speaking strictly in regards to those who feel class skills should be superior to weapon skills and by extension, Dks not needing a stam whip. People want a stam whip only because they are annoyed that they, as a stam dk, cant use a DK themed spammable.
Regardless of how its balanced, a stamina whip is entirely redundant in a game that has an abundance of alternative options.
I never involved myself with the OPs stance on magdk losing anything, which is an equally ridiculous position to take.
None of the existing spammables are in any way capable of satisfying the needs for an instant meele spammable.
Especially in a PvP Environment.0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »@RandomKodiak
No this is still besides the point. I'm was speaking strictly in regards to those who feel class skills should be superior to weapon skills and by extension, Dks not needing a stam whip. People want a stam whip only because they are annoyed that they, as a stam dk, cant use a DK themed spammable.
Regardless of how its balanced, a stamina whip is entirely redundant in a game that has an abundance of alternative options.
I never involved myself with the OPs stance on magdk losing anything, which is an equally ridiculous position to take.
None of the existing spammables are in any way capable of satisfying the needs for an instant meele spammable.
Especially in a PvP Environment.
Sure and that is an issue of balance and tuning. That has no bearing on feeling that a stam whip is necessary because people want a class spammable instead of a non class spammable.0 -
VarisVaris✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »@RandomKodiak
No this is still besides the point. I'm was speaking strictly in regards to those who feel class skills should be superior to weapon skills and by extension, Dks not needing a stam whip. People want a stam whip only because they are annoyed that they, as a stam dk, cant use a DK themed spammable.
Regardless of how its balanced, a stamina whip is entirely redundant in a game that has an abundance of alternative options.
I never involved myself with the OPs stance on magdk losing anything, which is an equally ridiculous position to take.
None of the existing spammables are in any way capable of satisfying the needs for an instant meele spammable.
Especially in a PvP Environment.
Sure and that is an issue of balance and tuning. That has no bearing on feeling that a stam whip is necessary because people want a class spammable instead of a non class spammable.
Any Non class spammable Stamdk has access to will be useable by Stamnecro and Stamden and with of those will make better use of it than Stamdk ever could.0 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VarisVaris wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »VarisVaris wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »@RandomKodiak
No this is still besides the point. I'm was speaking strictly in regards to those who feel class skills should be superior to weapon skills and by extension, Dks not needing a stam whip. People want a stam whip only because they are annoyed that they, as a stam dk, cant use a DK themed spammable.
Regardless of how its balanced, a stamina whip is entirely redundant in a game that has an abundance of alternative options.
I never involved myself with the OPs stance on magdk losing anything, which is an equally ridiculous position to take.
None of the existing spammables are in any way capable of satisfying the needs for an instant meele spammable.
Especially in a PvP Environment.
Sure and that is an issue of balance and tuning. That has no bearing on feeling that a stam whip is necessary because people want a class spammable instead of a non class spammable.
Any Non class spammable Stamdk has access to will be useable by Stamnecro and Stamden and with of those will make better use of it than Stamdk ever could.
Again.... an issue of balance and class design and not at all related to my comment.
I'm not the op here lol... you guys seem to be barking up the wrong tree.0 -
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✭Any argument that StamDK shouldn't have a Whip belongs in early 2016 when there was some debate to be had about whether StamDK deserves Breath and Claw. We had Rending Slashes, Carve, Poison Injection, and Caltrops - why did we need class DoTs?
That ship has long sailed. Five years later, the results are in: a Breath and Claw offense also needs a Whip.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast4