LastLaugh wrote: »

If you're spending 15k a day on respeccing it would make more sense to level a second toon of the same class and use one for pvp and one for pve.

Maybe he doesn't want to level a new character through all of the game to 50 again.. personally i'd find that boring as well. A different class maybe..

Pimsley wrote: »

Pretty clear they want decisions to matter in this game. Games like wow were a joke when you could respec ever 5 minutes to build your toon around the desired content you were about to face. For MMO players not spoiled by the easy mode play style that wow presented, specialization choice was something significant and should be incredibly costly to change it. Choice matters in this game and I certainly hope they do not change that.

I agree however I would like to be able to just adjust some skill points spent while learning my character's skills and abilities. It would be good to say get a couple of points spent at low level when dual wield was not available but which are now redundant for example.

iso_1a_ESO wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

are you really gonna run out of skill points at lvl 50?

I mean, with shard, quest bonus, it seems you will have 150+ skill points, unless you poured waaay too much points into wrong place, why bother respec anyway?

Because some people, like me, are complete OCD *** that will freak the heck out if even one point is out of line

HAHA, I hear that, I've respecced about 5 times on my way to just level 20 cause 1 skill would be out of place. It would be nice to have the price lowered, Id be 20k richer otherwise..

Those of you that think this increases variety, you're mistaken.

The only thing this does is cause people to ask for and go look up a cookie cutter before any points are spent.

I don't mind paying for a respec. I don't mind it being expensive. I *do* mine having to reallocate almost a hundred points every time I want to change a morph.

That's why I gave price options that get more expensive for more refined options. You can even restrict it to one whole skill line, like the entire Earthen Heart tree for a set, scaling price depending on how many points you put into it.

Just let me do something other than have to reallocate every single freaking point at once. It's not about the cost to me. It's about the pain in the ass part.

It's not just cookie cutter systems tho..

I went with sword and board setup for my templar.. I've come to the realisation that it's a slow way to play.

So i'm going to reroll.. again.. I also found that certain aspects of crafting is rubbish, like the hirelings you get.. useless, I get 500x what my hireling sends me every day I play.. a waste of a point.. or in my case 3 pts, plus i have pts wasted in skills I never use. At 24 I now have 46 skills.. thats 4600 to reroll..

My problem now tho.. is bizarrely.. that after rerolling, I'll likely actually have spare skill points with nowhere to put them...

I want to set up multiple systems, 2h, dual wield, resto staff, bow.. as well as a few pts for armour, and a few for crafting.. I'll probably put the extra ones in crafting, only very carefully.

As I now use heavy an medium armour. I've actually kinda gone back to how I play skyrim.. the way I enjoy it.. and completely ignore the cookie cutter players. It's all about the fun. Problem is.. I still need 1200g to reroll.. I guess I better sell some of my materials on storage.

Indii wrote: »

Though admittedly it's not something you wanna repeat every weekend.

which is the point I guess, zos want's you to make a choice.

although I have to admit, I'd like to see an option between ALL OR NOTHING. like resetting single skill lines for a certain fee (that could even be a be a bit more expensive per SP to balance it).

I think having a shrine that is just dedicated to removing morphs would be ideal. You get a lot of skill points - this isn't so much an issue. However, no amount of skill points will allow you to change a morph choice.

thilog wrote: »

When your first char is so messed up, you've got 2 choices.. reroll.. or goto the shrine and pray to god for 2500 gold and he gives you 25 skill pts.. great, if you wanted all of them back. Why not pray and then it puts you in your skills page, you can remove pts as you want, add them where you want and it charges you 100g for each point removed!

The current system is stupid. What's going to happen when you've level 30 or 40 or 50 and you find you have 4-5 skill points in unnecessary places? You get them all back, you put them all back in exactly the same places, except for the 4-5 you wanted to move! That's downright moronic.

And whats the cost? 40000 gold.. to move 5 pts..

That's how respec works in a variety of MMOs, it's all or nothing, otherwise you would have to specify which points you want moving, which would take up time, tieing up server power, then people would be complaining what the server is slow.

Phenomen wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

are you really gonna run out of skill points at lvl 50?

I mean, with shard, quest bonus, it seems you will have 150+ skill points, unless you poured waaay too much points into wrong place, why bother respec anyway?

Not sure if dumb or trolling.
As healer I use totally different morphs for PvE and PvP and I have to respec every time I go raiding Cyrodiil with my guild. That's 15k+ every day and it increase constantly because I gain more skill points.

There isn't any pve content in this game that would require that. Our guild is mainly pvp, but we have done all the veteran dungeons, and none of us respec for the pve side.

It's more of a nice to have thing. Certain morphs can make content easier, but none of them are a must have for the current veteran content. Hell lots of the time I'm running veteran dungeons with completely broken armor and skills that I'm training, not even an optimal build with the morphs that I do have.

I'm assuming you are talking about veteran dungeons, because if it's solo pve content, you can do that stuff naked with any morphs.

I don't think some people here really understand the issue.

It's not about actual skill points, we have loads of them.

Problem is the morphs. They are designed to shine in different types of content. You might need a certain morph for solo'ing, one for group PvE and prefer another for PvP.

It's not physically or financially possible to rearrange all your skill points every time you need a new version of a morph. Games should, imo, encourage players to participate and progress in different types of content, for that you need skill flexibility.

Either give us the option to learn both morphs (after you maxed the first one), or only re-set one skill line.

I spent 14k to change 2 morphs. Re-distribute 140-150 skill points ain't a blast either. I will need to do it again, many many times.

While the ability to reset individual skills would be nice, that would actually take quite a long time to design, develop, and test. I don't think the game can afford to keep respec costs so devastatingly high for that long. They should just make the price lower (for now, at least). 25g per skill?

Must admit, that now that I am 45, making money isn't an issue. I can twink all my alts with inv space etc without much of an issue.

But for new players.. this money sink is a massive no no.. to playing and continuing to play. If I hadn't just spent over £100 to play eso.. If I'd maybe just bought the game, 6 months after release, on a sale.. I'd probably be filing the game under "mistakes".

In the last 45 levels, I've made some serious mistakes, on one occasion I spent 8k to respec and realised I'd put 10 pts in the wrong skill line.. so I had to spend another 8k to do it right. Then a couple of levels later, I realised that both respec's were pointless.. So I respec'd again.. roughly 25k gold. That wiped out most of the money i'd saved for extending my bank space.

But.. grind for a couple of hours in a dungeon at this level.. and sell what you loot.. that's 3-4k.. sell it via trade.. 6-8k.. dep on items.. so yeh at this level, money no issue.. but at lvls 1-30.. money is an issue. Esp if you make mistakes.

NaciremaDiputs wrote: »

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

Thousands of extra skill points won't help you when you want to change a morph. Maybe they'll give us a refund every time they tweak the game balance, but I'm going to guess this was deliberately designed as a huge money sink.

You could be right about the money sink. What else are you going to spend gold on after you have your 42kPony and a fully upgraded backpack/bank?

Why do you have to spend your gold on something?

Gold sinks are what enable gold sellers in the first place.

Did not read all post but from what i saw . Nobody talked about thé impact on crafting . I mean if wé could just reset one skill or one skill line we could all reset à craft skill line and take another one and by doing so ...crafter would become pointless .Would u spend 20k in order that a crafter temper your newly epic weapon into legendary or would u spend 9( 18 if u want to get back your points in the original place) skill points for 4.5k or 9k assuming the 500g per skill points i read in some post....Just my 2 cent.( sorry for mistakes i'm not native.)