Skill Point Cancellation. Why return ALL the points? Stupid unnecessary money sink.

thilog

Look at the discussion about 5 skill slots + ultimate skill. ok, x2 at lv 15..

Now look at how you've progressed your character.. you've got a skill point in 2h axe, 1-2 in dual wield, 1 in restostaff, 1 in sword and shield..

You've put points in light armour, medium armour and heavy armour..

You've got 6 attack skills and 4 buff/heals..

But only 5 slots. Being able to swap stuff around, yeh all good. When your first char is so messed up, you've got 2 choices.. reroll.. or goto the shrine and pray to god for 2500 gold and he gives you 25 skill pts.. great, if you wanted all of them back. Why not pray and then it puts you in your skills page, you can remove pts as you want, add them where you want and it charges you 100g for each point removed!

The current system is stupid. What's going to happen when you've level 30 or 40 or 50 and you find you have 4-5 skill points in unnecessary places? You get them all back, you put them all back in exactly the same places, except for the 4-5 you wanted to move! That's downright moronic.

And whats the cost? 40000 gold.. to move 5 pts..

LadyChaos

in your 20s you make 2k gold pretty quickly (under hour). You can get it at lower levels without a problem too if you are selling all of your loot drops. I havn't tried to respec yet tbh...

thilog

That's not my point.. Why spend 40k to move 5 pts.. it's understandable if you want to completely respec, the better way is to be charged only for the points you
move.

Look at it from another way.

You're level 30, you've decided you don't need to use heavy armour anymore as a templar, you want to switch to using cloth. but you want to keep your weapons setup the same, so you only want to move the 10 pts you have in heavy armour and once you've upgraded cloth, add them in there. Why would you want all your points reimbursed?

The current system is a blatant ripoff. And whilst I can see many replies saying it's the god's desire.. I personally have nothing against hitting a god with a big stick to get my point across.

Asltok

LadyChaos wrote: »

in your 20s you make 2k gold pretty quickly (under hour). You can get it at lower levels without a problem too if you are selling all of your loot drops. I havn't tried to respec yet tbh...

In the twenties you're looking at around 5k to respec, not 2.

joejccva71b14_ESO

I agree with the OP. I had to respec at level 50 because I had messed up TWO morphs and wanted to change them. The only way to do this is the respec and it costed me about 12,000 gold to do it. It's 100g per skill point and i had 120 points.

It's a huge money sink. I don't mind paying to respec but the current price is insanely stupid.

Gisgo

Make it 200g per skill but give me the option to respec a skill line.
500g to respec a single skill.

Anoteros

not seeing any replies from devs in any of these types of posts which is very concerning.
I'm all for the cost change etc and the way we go about re-spending points. I don't understand why ZOS have opted for the lazy way out instead of a little intuition and borrowing from other mmorpgs.

thilog

I think they probably read the ones with the highest views, replying is always dangerous for a dev, in case some other senior dev has made a decision that makes them look like a plank.

ajcollins80

I personally can't see the issue here. Surely it is not different to a full respec in other MMOs.

At Level 15 is respec'ed and it did indeed put a dent in my purse.

In the end I ended up restarting completely, but the second time around it was alot easier and quicker. Probably as I had a better understanding of what I wanted and had done the quests etc before.

thilog

As I said, if you want to fully respec.. then fine. If you only want to partially respec or move only a few points. Totally unfine.

crislevin

are you really gonna run out of skill points at lvl 50?

I mean, with shard, quest bonus, it seems you will have 150+ skill points, unless you poured waaay too much points into wrong place, why bother respec anyway?

iso_1a_ESO

crislevin wrote: »

are you really gonna run out of skill points at lvl 50?

I mean, with shard, quest bonus, it seems you will have 150+ skill points, unless you poured waaay too much points into wrong place, why bother respec anyway?

Because some people, like me, are complete OCD *** that will freak the heck out if even one point is out of line

Ker.Rakb16_ESO

Thousands of extra skill points won't help you when you want to change a morph. Maybe they'll give us a refund every time they tweak the game balance, but I'm going to guess this was deliberately designed as a huge money sink.

Solomon_Cato

Gisgo wrote: »

Make it 200g per skill but give me the option to respec a skill line.
500g to respec a single skill.

I second this proposal.

Armitas

Agree. I don't want to have to undo everything, just a few poor morph choices.

Raeder

I too think there should be a "limited" respec, in addition to the "respec everything."

Make the cost double or something to balance it, but seeing as you can easily mess things up and then be hit on the head with a gold sink seems like an unnecessary gold sink.

LadyChaos

Asltok wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

in your 20s you make 2k gold pretty quickly (under hour). You can get it at lower levels without a problem too if you are selling all of your loot drops. I havn't tried to respec yet tbh...

In the twenties you're looking at around 5k to respec, not 2.

good point ty

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I thought It was respec by Skill tree, but apparently I was mistaken?

I do wish the morphs where not the same respec as the rest IMO, Or at least by skill line tree.

RebelWinds

I definitely think paying nearly 4k at level 15 to change one morph was way over the top. I think it might be reasonable to have an option to respec one skill line at a time, that way it still acts as the apparently intended money sink without making people go broke.

jakeisonline

Have to agree that the cost is just a little insane. It boils down to a punishment for bad choices, or for simply wanting to switch up play-style a little. The suggestion by @Gisgo was a good one,

Gisgo wrote: »

Make it 200g per skill but give me the option to respec a skill line.
500g to respec a single skill.

But simply making this a tipping scale would also help, i.e. the first time it's x, then x*(# previous respecs). This at least allows some grace when making mistakes, and stops players feeling stupid or limited. This worked, up until a point, for WoW at least.

Perhaps we'll all get to end-game and realize what a fantastic design the skills system is and realize why there's such a heavy price - but right now it doesn't feel that way. Feeling like you're bound while leveling is just a horrible situation, it's making me incredibly nervous about where I spent my points. That's not enjoyment.

Pimsley

Pretty clear they want decisions to matter in this game. Games like wow were a joke when you could respec ever 5 minutes to build your toon around the desired content you were about to face. For MMO players not spoiled by the easy mode play style that wow presented, specialization choice was something significant and should be incredibly costly to change it. Choice matters in this game and I certainly hope they do not change that.

crislevin

Pimsley wrote: »

Pretty clear they want decisions to matter in this game.

I m not too sure, money sink is what it is, a money sink, designed to encourage more time spent in the game.

Pimsley

crislevin wrote: »

Pimsley wrote: »

Pretty clear they want decisions to matter in this game.

I m not too sure, money sink is what it is, a money sink, designed to encourage more time spent in the game.

Not a money sink if you stick with your choice of build from the get go

hakujouryunub18_ESO

Pimsley wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Pimsley wrote: »

Pretty clear they want decisions to matter in this game.

I m not too sure, money sink is what it is, a money sink, designed to encourage more time spent in the game.

Not a money sink if you stick with your choice of build from the get go

Right, but how do you know what is going to be the most Optimal/Fun/Awesome/ETC. build unless you play around and experiment? I don't remember in what video or article I saw this in, but one of the Devs said basically to experiment and find out what works best for you. But between the high respec costs and VERY limited skill bar, I find myself terrified every time I level/finish a quest line/ every 3rd Skyshard. I love this game, and I hope to be able to justify the sub cost for a LONG time. I just hope the DEVs are watching these threads....

Mercutio_Montague

thilog wrote: »

Look at the discussion about 5 skill slots + ultimate skill. ok, x2 at lv 15..

Now look at how you've progressed your character.. you've got a skill point in 2h axe, 1-2 in dual wield, 1 in restostaff, 1 in sword and shield..

You've put points in light armour, medium armour and heavy armour..

You've got 6 attack skills and 4 buff/heals..

But only 5 slots. Being able to swap stuff around, yeh all good. When your first char is so messed up, you've got 2 choices.. reroll.. or goto the shrine and pray to god for 2500 gold and he gives you 25 skill pts.. great, if you wanted all of them back. Why not pray and then it puts you in your skills page, you can remove pts as you want, add them where you want and it charges you 100g for each point removed!

The current system is stupid. What's going to happen when you've level 30 or 40 or 50 and you find you have 4-5 skill points in unnecessary places? You get them all back, you put them all back in exactly the same places, except for the 4-5 you wanted to move! That's downright moronic.

And whats the cost? 40000 gold.. to move 5 pts..

Dude 100% agree with you anyone who argues doesn't really know what they are talking about. well said

Hexcaliber

Frankly, I had a chuckle that you are bent out of shape over 5 errant skill points, you do know there are a total of 320 available. The system is fine as it is; we get more than enough points to play about with builds.

The high cost of respec is intentional, respec is not intended as an option you resort to every five mins, it is there for folks who want to completely redefine their characters from the ground up. One of those decisions you might make once or twice if ever during your chars lifetime.

hakujouryunub18_ESO

Hexcaliber wrote: »

Frankly, I had a chuckle that you are bent out of shape over 5 errant skill points, you do know there are a total of 320 available. The system is fine as it is; we get more than enough points to play about with builds.

The high cost of respec is intentional, respec is not intended as an option you resort to every five mins, it is there for folks who want to completely redefine their characters from the ground up. One of those decisions you might make once or twice if ever during your chars lifetime.

I definitely see your point and I don't completely disagree. My main concern was brought up by @joejccva71b14_ESO‌ If you mess up a morph you're SOL. I realize the devs want decisions to matter and such, I just think its a bit too harsh. I don't want my experience watered down, but I'm playing a game genre notorious for keeping us all up WAY too freaking late. If you misread something, BOOM.

Maybe ONLY give us an option for respecing an entire skill line or something.

Sedlina

my question is for people who used the skillpoint refund option in game: does resetting your skill points still reduce all your skill line experience back to 1 so that you have to grind everything up again ? (dunno what beta build it was - but that was quite punishing back then)

Makomin

These kinds of gold sinks are exactly what drive people to purchase gold from the farmers/bots for real money. It shouldn't be so excessively restrictive to respec.

ElSlayer

Sedlina wrote: »

my question is for people who used the skillpoint refund option in game: does resetting your skill points still reduce all your skill line experience back to 1 so that you have to grind everything up again ? (dunno what beta build it was - but that was quite punishing back then)

No, skill line experience isn't reduced.

Jarnhand

Comming from other MMOs and also seeing how different ESO is, I say it should NOT be cheap/easy to do respecs.
For example make a standard cost + a cost pr skill, lets say 5000gp + 100gp pr skill.
This would not be a problem for any char that 'need' this, at the same time not so cheap that everyone respec all the time to the current FOTM spec.

ElSlayer

This fact making gold actually valuable. There must be ways of outflow of gold from the economy.

Who are you to decide what necessary and what is not?
Playing the game is not necessary either.
Your post is not a suggestion. It is *** of *** in the faces of game designers.

Quit whining about absence of "Win the game" button.
Stop being lazy and farm.