Maintenance for the week of September 29:
• PC/Mac: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – September 29, 4:00AM EDT (8:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EDT (13:00 UTC)
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – October 1, 8:00 UTC (4:00AM EDT) - 16:00 UTC (12:00PM EDT)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for patch maintenance – October 1, 8:00 UTC (4:00AM EDT) - 16:00 UTC (12:00PM EDT)

Do you want a trial finder tool?

Lady_Galadhiel
Lady_Galadhiel
✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭
New week and new Poll from the Poll Lady ;)
As suggested from @Youyouz06,a poll about a often discussed topic - Trial finder.

Let me start by saying that I am personally neutral to this subject,I can understand why people want it but on the other hand I can also see it would be problematic to implement and also bring some disadvantages with it.

I will keep the poll options simple,because everyone can write in the comments their thoughts about it ''Yes because...'' No because...'' and well the Other option is for people who couldn't decide or who are like me,kind of neutral on the subject.

Let's vote everyone :)

Edited by ZOS_Kevin on August 3, 2022 8:35PM
Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.

Do you want a trial finder tool? 268 votes

Yes
67%
MuffinmanSolarikensupmilesrodneymcneely2_ESOCaligamy_ESOSuddwrathdaryl.rasmusenb14_ESOimno007b14_ESOWhiteCoatSyndromelolo_01b16_ESOIruil_ESOSickDuckAH93nenekotanb16_ESONurableApoAlaiaArtemis_X_KhenarthiDaiKahnAektann 182 votes
No
24%
mekops_ESOMalkivAwesomestMattcorrosivechainsNirntrotterninibiniGythralSalamanNZWoelerLyricsEchoAlvarXuhoraredspecter23AnhedoniePauwinParasaurolophusDestaisix2fallmeekmikoSylosi 65 votes
Other
7%
stybbe17b16_ESOSilverBrideValionkargen27TwinStripeUKSmitch_59Wise_WillAlinhbo_TyakaSylvermynxjoergingerrpaWyrd88HapexamendiosBucky_13JTDPeacefulAnarchyBobby's_UserIDDreamyLuLady_GaladhielFenris_Arainai 21 votes
  • Treeshka
    Treeshka
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Trial finder would not work as the dungeon finder but i have read another suggestion in the forums which looks much more efficient for raid grouping.

    Completely new feature can be created which allows players to post their group advertisement, and everyone around the game can access it through any zone and apply to it, but in the end group leader will invite you to their group after chatting with the applicant. It is like a recruitment section here in this forums but in game for raids.
  • HappyDan
    HappyDan
    ✭✭✭
    No
    Yes I'd like 8 dd's light attacking from the back and tank with 20k health in my random queue vRG
  • Lady_Galadhiel
    Lady_Galadhiel
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Other
    HappyDan wrote: »
    Yes I'd like 8 dd's light attacking from the back and tank with 20k health in my random queue vRG

    Who would queue for a veteran trial? :lol: I think the idea behind trial finder is more for the people who want to run it on normal.
    Who on earth would pug a veteran dlc trial?
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
  • EnerG
    EnerG
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    I do want trial finder but it needs to be very different from normal dungeon finder, im not very ideas-y but i do know its going to take ages to que and we also do not need op rewards once daily for trails since theres coffers Anyway. I think it needs to be a bulletin menu not a que system, post your lfgs in a menu so people can so whats active instead of just going to crag.
  • xPoisin
    xPoisin
    ✭✭✭
    Yes
    For normal trials and I would recommend also for normal arenas queue finder.
    For the vet content I preffer to run with skilled players with knowledge about mechanics 😁
  • milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
    milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    We NEED this.

    I am SOOOOOO over the days of spending an hour putting together enough people to run a raid/trial/operation/whatever-we're-calling-them-now.

    May those days fly away, never to return.
  • NupidStoob
    NupidStoob
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
    Much like the dungeon finder I simply wouldn't use it. Playing with randoms is too much of a gamble and I won't have a bad time in a game because of some person I don't even know.

    A groupfinder that is in some way implemented like in WoW could work I guess, but only if it had restrictions on carry runs.
  • RaikaNA
    RaikaNA
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    HappyDan wrote: »
    Yes I'd like 8 dd's light attacking from the back and tank with 20k health in my random queue vRG

    Who would queue for a veteran trial? :lol: I think the idea behind trial finder is more for the people who want to run it on normal.
    Who on earth would pug a veteran dlc trial?

    I pugged vSS and we cleared it during the event. I got the achievement with the skin. Granted... it took me 2 hours.. but we eventually got it.
  • Lady_Galadhiel
    Lady_Galadhiel
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Other
    RaikaNA wrote: »
    HappyDan wrote: »
    Yes I'd like 8 dd's light attacking from the back and tank with 20k health in my random queue vRG

    Who would queue for a veteran trial? :lol: I think the idea behind trial finder is more for the people who want to run it on normal.
    Who on earth would pug a veteran dlc trial?

    I pugged vSS and we cleared it during the event. I got the achievement with the skin. Granted... it took me 2 hours.. but we eventually got it.

    Then you have been lucky to get in a group who didn't ask for the achievement.While I see some people pugging vSS I belive it is risky.
    vAA and vHRC are okay pugging,maybe vSO too but the rest of trials I would rather do with a premade group if its veteran.
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
  • Ippokrates
    Ippokrates
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    HappyDan wrote: »
    Yes I'd like 8 dd's light attacking from the back and tank with 20k health in my random queue vRG

    Who would queue for a veteran trial? :lol: I think the idea behind trial finder is more for the people who want to run it on normal.
    Who on earth would pug a veteran dlc trial?

    Well, as the whole system of crates proves, gaming is also about gambling, and pugs in a way are part of it, cause you'll never know with whom you will run. Sometimes you will end up with a drama deserving Jerry Springer show but sometimes...

    https://youtu.be/10LIMGzyGvk
  • Vhozek
    Vhozek
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    Yep. Might as well. [snip]

    [edited for baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on August 23, 2021 10:35AM
    𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.
  • Grandchamp1989
    Grandchamp1989
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Yes
    I could see a system work where:

    -Normal trial finder - basicly same as dungeon finder.
    -Vet trial finder unlocks for the specific trials you have completed with your guild on vet, to make sure you know mechs when you que for veteran trials.
  • Pauwer
    Pauwer
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    Yes and also for group arenas. Vet too, if you want to go there, but you'd also be forbidden to post threads about how bad the tanks, the dds and the healers are on your pug vet trial finder.
  • LalMirchi
    LalMirchi
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    Yes
    I could see a system work where:

    -Normal trial finder - basicly same as dungeon finder.
    -Vet trial finder unlocks for the specific trials you have completed with your guild on vet, to make sure you know mechs when you que for veteran trials.

    This could be an excellent solution.
  • Lady_Galadhiel
    Lady_Galadhiel
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Other
    I could see a system work where:

    -Normal trial finder - basicly same as dungeon finder.
    -Vet trial finder unlocks for the specific trials you have completed with your guild on vet, to make sure you know mechs when you que for veteran trials.

    While this is a great idea I could see some problem with the veteran trial finder as some people buy carry runs and dont learn the mechanics of said trials,but they would still unlock them in the trial finder as it would count as completed.
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
  • UGotBenched91
    UGotBenched91
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    Not everyone has an open schedule to devote to schedule trial times. A trial finder will solve this problem.

    I see people complain about pug groups and such and then they say just join a guild. Ok, that works for you great. You don’t have to use the tool then and it won’t impact you at all.
  • TheImperfect
    TheImperfect
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    Definitely, at least I can do other things than standing in Craglorn which I don't have patience or time to mostly.
  • Amottica
    Amottica
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
    No offense to the OP but I don’t think the poll will gleam much worthwhile information. It will only let us know what those who took interest in this thread think and we can expect most of them to want a trial finder. It will not give Zenimax worthy information.

    Oh, and if Zenimax somehow ends up think it is a good idea to add a trial finder it should only be for normal trials. Most DLC, and some base game trials, require coordinated groups which is something that the trial finder cannot create. Heck, even in some normal dungeons the uncoordinated group the group finder puts together will still likely fail. Oh, and I am not talking about high level coordination but the most basic level of coordination that comes with having an actual leader.
  • Lady_Galadhiel
    Lady_Galadhiel
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Other
    Amottica wrote: »
    No offense to the OP but I don’t think the poll will gleam much worthwhile information. It will only let us know what those who took interest in this thread think and we can expect most of them to want a trial finder. It will not give Zenimax worthy information.

    Oh, and if Zenimax somehow ends up think it is a good idea to add a trial finder it should only be for normal trials. Most DLC, and some base game trials, require coordinated groups which is something that the trial finder cannot create. Heck, even in some normal dungeons the uncoordinated group the group finder puts together will still likely fail. Oh, and I am not talking about high level coordination but the most basic level of coordination that comes with having an actual leader.

    No poll does give ''worthy information'' because the amount of people who are on this forum is such a tiny small % of the playerbase that even when a lot of people vote,it still can not talk for the entire community as whole.
    Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
    ESO plus status: Cancelled
    ESO currently uninstalled.
  • Ringing_Nirnroot
    Ringing_Nirnroot
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
    There’s probably going to be a lot of fake tanks and healers.
  • Kel
    Kel
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    Easy answer.
    There for those that want it. Can be ignored and trials can carry on as usual for those that don't.

    Choice is never a bad thing.
  • Amottica
    Amottica
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
    Amottica wrote: »
    No offense to the OP but I don’t think the poll will gleam much worthwhile information. It will only let us know what those who took interest in this thread think and we can expect most of them to want a trial finder. It will not give Zenimax worthy information.

    Oh, and if Zenimax somehow ends up think it is a good idea to add a trial finder it should only be for normal trials. Most DLC, and some base game trials, require coordinated groups which is something that the trial finder cannot create. Heck, even in some normal dungeons the uncoordinated group the group finder puts together will still likely fail. Oh, and I am not talking about high level coordination but the most basic level of coordination that comes with having an actual leader.

    No poll does give ''worthy information'' because the amount of people who are on this forum is such a tiny small % of the playerbase that even when a lot of people vote,it still can not talk for the entire community as whole.

    There is that as well but I was speaking to the poll results will be skewed for the reasons I mentioned. Ofc, this has nothing to do with the OP, just that few that are not interested in a forum poll or understand it's perils will chime in.
  • corrosivechains
    corrosivechains
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
    Went with no, even though I personally haven't done trials. It is just my belief that some content in an MMORPG should absolutely be geared toward and accommodate multi-player socialization and interaction, especially since we've seen the heavy single-playerization of the genre which has lead to massive stagnation. What kept people logging in and playing MMORPG's weren't gimmicks, skinner boxes, or carrot-and-stick mechanics which are more stick than carrot. It was the connections we made, the reputations we built, and the groups we formed when everything wasn't "queue up, get pellet".
    "Could you post me a link to the official MMO rule book please." - clayandaudrey_ESO
  • Giraffon
    Giraffon
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    I feel excluded from this content. I don't care if the group sucks. It's no different than running a 4 man dungeon. Everyone knows the risks if you queue up. Let's get this done. It's a feature that's been missing for too long and there is a whole slew of content that I've never even seen in this game because I don't want to screw around trying to get a group put together.
    Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!
  • temerley
    temerley
    ✭✭✭
    Yes
    Yep, I mean, the alternative is waiting in craglorn and if you can say quest, harvest, do housing while waiting for the queue top then then it's already better.
  • temerley
    temerley
    ✭✭✭
    Yes
    There’s probably going to be a lot of fake tanks and healers.

    Maybe, but they're going to get kicked on trials vs when doing dungeons same as when you PUG on craglorn.
  • Malthorne
    Malthorne
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    It’s a must for at least normal difficulty imo.
  • Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
    Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    I would support a trial finder tool just because it would make life easier for those LFG groups that attempt Veteran content.
    It's been years of LFG Normal this..normal that..and I think there are people out there with the knowledge for veteran trials or at least on the path to gain additional experience, want more out of it and perhaps without joining a guild.

    I'd also like to see the addition of a voice chat in raids and dungeons (before we get angry read the next line) and it can be mutable if we don't want to use it or we can mute certain members to avoid weird encounters (which happen sometimes), but by having this system we could at least explain briefly or give some directions to 'newer' groups...that's what our experience in game is for right, to share? If we don't want a voice chat then let's at least consider some combat queues from the producer like we see in certain addons..it would help the community a lot I believe and would be a direct alternative to 'non vocal' raids. (Discord is a step, let's remove steps, its fine for organised guild content, but not really applicable for LFG)

    Reasons why a trial finder tool could be useful:
    - Perhaps they have been in guilds in the past, but no longer desire it or have the time
    - It's good in a summer context when guilds are 'absent' most of the time
    - A tool Instead of searching through the friends list (let's be honest you do LFG raids alone most of the time)
    - A new way to meet people
    - Faster groupping

    I know there would be cons to this like anything that is ever proposed, but if it is thought out carefully and perhaps only useable (veteran mode) if the person(s) have accomplished some veteran trial achievements. It could be a new incentive and would also allow for minor filtration. No one wants to be in a group where there is little to no knowledge of the raid or gameplay in general, right? Nothing against people who don't have the experience yet, but step by step we all get there in some form or matter.

    Food for thought.

    (To resume: Yes, I'm favourable to this idea, of course and thank you for the Poll, @Lady_Galadhiel!)
    Edited by Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo on August 23, 2021 3:31PM
  • BXR_Lonestar
    BXR_Lonestar
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    No
    I voted no mainly because people complain already about players not being well prepared or able to complete dungeons (even on normal) when the team is pulled through the activity finder, so I'm not sure how opening that up for trials is going to go any better. Even with normal trials, you WILL need legitimate role players in order to complete the content, and we have all seen the posts about fake roles in normal dungeons. The issue will be way worse in trials.

    Furthermore, even some of the DLC dungeons can be completed on normal without a lot of communication for the mechanics, but trials is another thing entirely. Players WILL have to communicate in trials in order to complete them, and if you pull a bunch of random people, odds are that they're not going to be people inclined to party up or use a mic. Can you just imagine a group of 12 randoms trying to finish a trial with no communication?

    Overall, I don't think a trial finder is going to work well, unless they make a trial mode that is even easier than what normal, which wouldn't be all that rewarding to try to do unless you just wanted to complete it for the story. I know the current system of having to recruit for trial members isn't perfect, but at least you know what your getting when you do it that way.
  • Sarannah
    Sarannah
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭
    Yes
    Yes, especially now that some endeavours require trials.
This discussion has been closed.