bots have leveled up and are at the rift now
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No more prisoner clothes. Huge packs of 8+ bots stripping the area bare of monsters and resources. Several bots along the way to sell and relay.
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This just in from our man in the field.
Roving bands of bots are on the move.
They feed like locusts destroying anything in their path.
If you see random flashes of player like things jumping from resource node to resource node, or packs of oddly spelled named PC's standing in one place killing the same creature before it has a chance to spawn.
Please do not approach.
They are believed to be afk and or hacking. Contact your local GM via smoke signal, bug report, report player immediately.
That won't solve a damned thing, but will make Zeni more money by making the botter buy a new box to replace the one they just banned.
Thank you, and good night.10 -
Perseas✭✭✭I need to add additional info.
Yes some bots are leveled, but the main problem, its not the bots and its not a huge problem like in smaller levels (10-20-30 bots in a boss), is the campers.
Higher level dungeons have campers. Players who camp the boss. They act like the bots, but they are actual players...
I will give an example that happened today. I was in stormhaven level 19-20 dungeon. I found 1 camper and 1 bot in the boss, killing the boss repeatable.
I lost my loot because I only gave 2 small hits with my arrow in the boss. The camper, in order to show me he is not a bot, tried to make some extra moves, more like he is making hits in the air with his weapon, or move back and forth all the time. The bot was still and waiting.
I waited a bit and circled them around, to make the camper leave or fear for any report... But what scares me is, Zenimax should be very careful, because campers may report legit players, if they feel fear that someone is going to report them, they may report legit players in order to defend them selves. I personally didnt killed the boss twice to get loot...
You must always investigate the combat logs. This is something I know, from WoW, because many people reported them, they start reporting players to.. And it was a huge war and confusion.
Campers can be very dangerus.
@ am dyslexic.
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I need to add additional info.
Yes some bots are leveled, but the main problem, its not the bots and its not a huge problem like in smaller levels (10-20-30 bots in a boss), is the campers.
Higher level dungeons have campers. Players who camp the boss. They act like the bots, but they are actual players...
I will give an example that happened today. I was in stormhaven level 19-20 dungeon. I found 1 camper and 1 bot in the boss, killing the boss repeatable.
I lost my loot because I only gave 2 small hits with my arrow in the boss. The camper, in order to show me he is not a bot, tried to make some extra moves, more like he is making hits in the air with his weapon, or move back and forth all the time. The bot was still and waiting.
I waited a bit and circled them around, to make the camper leave or fear for any report... But what scares me is, Zenimax should be very careful, because campers may report legit players, if they fear or feel that someone is going to report legit players in order to defend them selves. I personally didnt killed the boss twice to get loot...
You must always investigate the combat logs.
Camping bosses is not a reportable or bannable offense and Zenimax has already stated that they WILL ban people for making excessive false reports. Just wanted to make you aware of this.2 -
Perseas✭✭✭I didnt reported them.... for ur records.. So you saying, doing the same thing as a bot does, is ok for zenimax? The only difference you find in the campers, they do more moves (cast more spells/skills) and they are actual players.Edited by Perseas on April 28, 2014 6:13AM1
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Perseas✭✭✭otomodachi wrote: »
You speak about the method, the tools.. The bot runs a program and the camper uses a keyboard. The result is the same.
And allow me to give u an example. If players in the near feature, experience the same thing, but with campers, not bots.. 5-10 campers in one boss and u wont be able to do ur kill, is it offensive? Its the same thing. Bots are just a tool that campers use.Edited by Perseas on April 28, 2014 6:18AM1 -
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✭✭Except that the player is at the keyboard playing. What makes a bot illegal in game is that its automated. Automation = no no. Killing and camping bosses = ok.1 -
Valethar✭✭✭✭Camping is not botting. I could go all 3rd grade English teacher and say something like 'while all bots may be campers, not all campers are bots' but that would likely just end up being confusing.
Botting is an automated process where the 'player' starts a program that 'plays' the game for them, and then leaves the computer to do it's thing without further human interaction.
Camping is waiting for a given spawn to reappear so you can then interact with it (killing mobs, harvesting resources, etc...) repeatedly over time.
A live player camping a given spawn point, unless they're taking advantage of an exploit, is generally not an infraction of the rules and will not result in a suspension or ban. Botting is a violation of the rules and should be reported so that a GM can investigate and take appropriate action.
Edited by Valethar on April 28, 2014 6:27AMResistance is not futile! Say no to the Greed Collective™. Boycott Crown Crates.0 -
Valethar✭✭✭✭You speak about the method, the tools.. The bot runs a program and the camper uses a keyboard. The result is the same.
What you're not understanding here is that the results do not determine the infraction in this case, the method does.
Bots (total automation) are a violation of the rules. Live players camping a spawn are not. It doesn't matter whether you're offended by camping or not, because Zenimax has already stated that it's allowed.
If you're having difficulty getting credit for a boss kill for a quest or achievement, ask the other player(s) to allow you to complete that objective. In most cases you'll likely find that they're going to help you out so that you can move on, leaving them to do their thing.Resistance is not futile! Say no to the Greed Collective™. Boycott Crown Crates.1 -
it could fall under:
Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but is not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay
if you are keeping others from getting their loot it is disruptive
normal gameplay should not include camping a boss for gold and loot all night
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Valethar✭✭✭✭ttwinklerub17_ESO wrote: »it could fall under:
Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but is not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay
if you are keeping others from getting their loot it is disruptive
normal gameplay should not include camping a boss for gold and loot all night
Yup. And Zeni has also stated that they'll investigate this as well and issue infractions where necessary for those intentionally abusing spawns in this manner.
The best thing to do is ask for the campers to allow you to 'play through' so you can get credit and move on. If they become abusive or otherwise act to intentionally impede progress once you've done so, the best thing to do is make a report with the relevant screenshots and/or video and let a GM sort it out.Resistance is not futile! Say no to the Greed Collective™. Boycott Crown Crates.2 -
thorspark✭✭✭Bots are everywhere in the game now, I see them in almost every public dungeon from lvl 1 to lvl 50 and I'm just tired of reporting bots and goldsellers.
It takes 5 minutes to report the 8-10 bots in dungeons, and when you ignore goldsellers, you get a new one spamming the chat 5 minutes later.
I don't know what the solution is, but something should be done about it, because it's ruining the game experienceDK Vet 12 / NB Vampire Vet 7 / Sorcerer Vet 5 / Templar WW - Guilde Les pochtrons1 -
SeñorCinco✭✭✭✭Campers are just as detrimental to the game as the bots. People can defend the existence of campers all they want but in the end they are no different than the bots themselves.
Edited by SeñorCinco on April 28, 2014 6:55AMWords contained in posts, at which point I stop reading and will not respond...
Toon / Mana / WoW or any acronym following "In ___" /
Pets (when referring to summoned Daedra) / Any verbiage to express slang (ie, ending in uz,az,..) / Soul Stone
... to be continued.
Now, get off my lawn.6 -
Kenny_McCormick✭✭✭just an fyi. GMs are purging dungeons every 5 hours now. have yet to come across a large group of bots since yesterday evening. today i only saw 3 bots in a dungeon out of like 6 dungeons! im mostly seeing level 5-10s in Eastmarch...they have regular player names....most likely they are Powerlevelers with player accounts! or hacked accounts. ive also noticed that since the GMs do this purge the bots have gone to doing quests that dont require any Mobs...ie Pick up items quests and such.
GMs havnt posted this on the forums as they dont want the bots to know thus they can have more chances of banning bots! i have seen dungeons empty of them however
GMs if this is true just tell us lol its too late to hide it now that its been said all over in-game xD1 -
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Not even close to the same thing as botting.Higher level dungeons have campers. Players who camp the boss. They act like the bots, but they are actual players...
Try again.
Not even close to the same thing as botting.You speak about the method, the tools.. The bot runs a program and the camper uses a keyboard. The result is the same.
And allow me to give u an example. If players in the near feature, experience the same thing, but with campers, not bots.. 5-10 campers in one boss and u wont be able to do ur kill, is it offensive? Its the same thing. Bots are just a tool that campers use.
Don't bother to try again, this was sad.
Have people gone full *** about bots or something?
Common sense seems to be ignored by the first thing that pops into the head of random people who need to jump on a forum to post it?
Haha i laughed, was a good read.caryhammub17_ESO wrote: »This just in from our man in the field.
Roving bands of bots are on the move.
They feed like locusts destroying anything in their path.
If you see random flashes of player like things jumping from resource node to resource node, or packs of oddly spelled named PC's standing in one place killing the same creature before it has a chance to spawn.
Please do not approach.
They are believed to be afk and or hacking. Contact your local GM via smoke signal, bug report, report player immediately.
That won't solve a damned thing, but will make Zeni more money by making the botter buy a new box to replace the one they just banned.
Thank you, and good night.
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LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭Funny thing is bots are starting to actually get smart. They are leveling, getting gear or using the lower level area costumes so they look legit. Some are even using actual names that make sense to look like real players. Either way, they will always figure out some kind of way around to prolong our agony.....lol0 -
knaveofengland✭✭✭not to worry report them eso has teamed up with scottie and he beam them to planet zog1
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Perseas✭✭✭There are 2 campers in this topic, they gave me 2 lol in my prev messages, because I am against camping (lol), get them...
For me campers are more dangerous than bots. An example is what Korea did in prisoners! The officers of a korean prison, forced all prisoners to play mmos and gather gold for sale... They turned them into living robots, more like punishment, because it may sound nice for a prisoner to play games, but they forced to play more than 20 hours. There is news articles over the internet about it.
Personally I am a farmer, but I will never stay in the same spot, killing or gathering something again and again and again, like bots do. Instead I am travelling all over the world to get what I want - legit
I personally dont report anybody in game for any reason (only if they attack me personally, bad mouth), other than that... These things destroy gaming.
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Last night I came upon a quest NPC by the side of the road, just east of Ivarsted and Giemund's Hall. It looked like I was alone with the quest NPC, but I kept seeing "press F to interact" popping up all around the NPC, though I could not see any actual players, only their name showed up, which I reported.
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Wtb profession reform, especially enchanting.. This alone will curb a ton of bots.
Edit.. oh side note.. Whoever decided you can't get cloth or any other crafting mats from low level NPC's as a high level toon... The amount of 5 letter words here can't express the annoyance of this epic failure this was/is.Edited by ryanmc_ESO on April 28, 2014 8:37AM0 -
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✭otomodachi wrote: »
You speak about the method, the tools.. The bot runs a program and the camper uses a keyboard. The result is the same.SeñorCinco wrote: »Campers are just as detrimental to the game as the bots. People can defend the existence of campers all they want but in the end they are no different than the bots themselves.
I can't use my keyboard when I'm asleep or at work .. the RESULT isn't the issue that matters!
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Mentioning this Korean issue in the context of this discussion is crass beyond belief.For me campers are more dangerous than bots. An example is what Korea did in prisoners! The officers of a korean prison, forced all prisoners to play mmos and gather gold for sale... They turned them into living robots, more like punishment, because it may sound nice for a prisoner to play games, but they forced to play more than 20 hours. There is news articles over the internet about it.
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Perseas✭✭✭
Mentioning this Korean issue in the context of this discussion is crass beyond belief.For me campers are more dangerous than bots. An example is what Korea did in prisoners! The officers of a korean prison, forced all prisoners to play mmos and gather gold for sale... They turned them into living robots, more like punishment, because it may sound nice for a prisoner to play games, but they forced to play more than 20 hours. There is news articles over the internet about it.
Really... Surprising... Don't sayhttp://www.1up.com/news/tortured-chinese-prisoners-forced-farm-mmo-gold
http://kotaku.com/5805694/chinese-prisoners-forced-to-play-video-games-farm-your-mmo-gold
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-26-china-prisons-used-for-mmo-gold-farming
I did a mistake, it was not Koreans, but chinese.. But koreans and chinese is the same race.Edited by Perseas on April 28, 2014 10:00AM0 -
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Mentioning this Korean issue in the context of this discussion is crass beyond belief.For me campers are more dangerous than bots. An example is what Korea did in prisoners! The officers of a korean prison, forced all prisoners to play mmos and gather gold for sale... They turned them into living robots, more like punishment, because it may sound nice for a prisoner to play games, but they forced to play more than 20 hours. There is news articles over the internet about it.
Really... Surprising...http://www.1up.com/news/tortured-chinese-prisoners-forced-farm-mmo-gold
http://kotaku.com/5805694/chinese-prisoners-forced-to-play-video-games-farm-your-mmo-gold
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-26-china-prisons-used-for-mmo-gold-farming
I did a mistake, it was Koreans, but chinese.. But koreans and chinese is the same race.
Now might be a good time to release my petition to the White House. Support it and spread the holy word.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/regulate-or-tax-industry-gold-farming-illicit-trading-digital-currency-mmos-real-money/TxSx4xcV
Oh, and China has responded to articles about Labor Prisons claiming they would never do that because it would give the prisoner an opportunity to interact with the outside world.
They might have a point, if you remember the sweatshop "help us" letters that some consumers found stuffed in their China made products.
Within; Without.0 -
Perseas✭✭✭I dont think they would interact with other people either ways, if they have some officers uppon their heads to monitor them, even keylogers, to see what they type. Keylogers are used by many major companies, to check what their employees are typing...
So this kind of responds from china, with this kind of system they got.. tells me nothing. So just lets stop it here and my last word is, that camping is bad. And people should stop buying gold.Edited by Perseas on April 28, 2014 10:06AM0 -
ZOS_HugoP✭✭✭Greetings folks,
While we understand your concerns about such issues, we can't let this thread open, as it has turn into a political discussion.
Please remember that the best way to help us fighting against bots is to use the in-game report feature or contact a Game Master by using the /help command.
Thank you for your understanding.1
This discussion has been closed.