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I wish ESO had a trading hub
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PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »[SNIP
We're jaded, not stupid.
I've been kicked from or left almost every "big name/major/etc" trade guild on PC/NA. Yes, seriously, literally. Guess what? I'm still in 3 trade guilds. When the day comes that they kick me too... I'll just go apply to NEW guilds that have started, because guilds come and go all the time.
That's how guilds WORK. No, you won't fit in every guild. Being "jaded" isn't a reason, it's an excuse.
The ones that get the top trader spots, something that's much more important on systems without TTC, do not just come and go all the time. They don't like people taking their spots either. There was a lot of "competition" before they introduced multi-bidding that was absolutely harassment.
Next thing you're gonna say is ZOS takes harassment seriously. As far as consoles go, I have not found that to be the case.0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »The ones that get the top trader spots, something that's much more important on systems without TTC, do not just come and go all the time. They don't like people taking their spots either. There was a lot of "competition" before they introduced multi-bidding that was absolutely harassment.
For some players, trading is a form of PVP. It is important that they "win" against other players, by whatever measure they consider "winning" to be.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Morgha_Kul wrote: »I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).
If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.
You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.
You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.
And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader
The trouble with this is that you can only trade with other guild members, because guilds of this sort can't get a trader in the world.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.0 -
Morgha_Kul✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you weren't able to sell your companion gear in chat... then you have to sell it for cheaper. Undercut. Accept a lower price.
Law of supply and demand.
I did that. I asked prices a THIRD of what was asked on TTC. I'd ask in chat for a price check, and then immediately offer to sell for half of that. It never works.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.0 -
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✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »If you weren't able to sell your companion gear in chat... then you have to sell it for cheaper. Undercut. Accept a lower price.
Law of supply and demand.
I did that. I asked prices a THIRD of what was asked on TTC. I'd ask in chat for a price check, and then immediately offer to sell for half of that. It never works.
Because the number of people willing to pay those super high prices for that gear in the first week or two of the chapter is miniscule, and you weren't connecting with them. That's also why the prices have declined so steeply.1 -
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✭I mentioned this day one trade kiosks were introduced. Still think its very viable to do. I doubt 50 is possible but maybe 15-20 could be done in several locations (away from cities).0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Morgha_Kul wrote: »I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).
If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.
You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.
You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.
And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader
The trouble with this is that you can only trade with other guild members, because guilds of this sort can't get a trader in the world.
“…because guilds of this sort can't get a trader in the world.” False
My two “no dues” housing guilds have vendors, my casual “no dues” social guild has a vendor, and my two casual “no dues” trader guilds have vendors.
There are approximately 200 world vendors, with 5-6 more being added every 6 months. If you can’t find at least one “no dues” guild with a vendor, that is on you at this point.3 -
Harry_Toes✭✭✭Narvuntien wrote: »A reminder that ESOs trading system does a really good job at preventing inflation and does so by taxing the richest players, the traders.
I don't think there is a better way to pull millions of gold out of the system so efficiently.
I play other MMOs that are plagued by bots and constant accusations of market manipulation by a few hardcore players. Every time the devs try a solution, it's unwaveringly treated as a draconian over-reach. Basically a no-win situation from the developer's perspective.
In ESO the fact there is no one official trading house makes market control/manipulation practically impossible. I'll take the ESO model over that in other MMOs any day.
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✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »[SNIP
We're jaded, not stupid.
I've been kicked from or left almost every "big name/major/etc" trade guild on PC/NA. Yes, seriously, literally. Guess what? I'm still in 3 trade guilds. When the day comes that they kick me too... I'll just go apply to NEW guilds that have started, because guilds come and go all the time.
That's how guilds WORK. No, you won't fit in every guild. Being "jaded" isn't a reason, it's an excuse.
The ones that get the top trader spots, something that's much more important on systems without TTC, do not just come and go all the time. They don't like people taking their spots either. There was a lot of "competition" before they introduced multi-bidding that was absolutely harassment.
Next thing you're gonna say is ZOS takes harassment seriously. As far as consoles go, I have not found that to be the case.
ok few flaws there
1 - TTC exists on ALL platforms. Go to Tamrieltradecentre.com. yes CONSOLE is listed. Stadia is PC. If people on your platform/region don't upload data, that's not TTC not being there, it's people not using what's available.
2 - Uh, there's lots of turnover in the top spots, because there are lots of them. 3 Alliance capitals plus Vivec for top tier. Alinor, Rimmen, Solitude, Rawl'kha aren't bad either. Plenty of other zone capitals where you can do good sales as well.
There are new names on kiosks all the time. You're just not tracking it because it doesn't matter TO YOU.
3 - What does trader kiosks (spots) have to do with GUILD MEMBERSHIP? As in, being in a guild. I wasn't talking about being kicked from a trader, but a GUILD. The only reason to be in a trade guild is to access their kiosk (trader!)
I've come across a LOT of people who think "trade guild" means "I post WTB/WTS in guild chat" and while you CAN, here's why that's worse than selling zone chat:
A - Guilds are limited to 500 members, and it's rare to have more than 100 online at any given time.
B - You want a Gold MOther's SOrrow staff, common enough item, but you're expecting someone in the 40 people online in just your guild to have one ready to sell? They may, they may not. More people in zone chat, so better chances (and much easiser to use a trader kiosk to search in case the one guy who did want to sell that staff at your price was in a duel and didn't notice your WTB in zone)
C - If every person in a guild did all of their purchases through guild chat, that would be a spam deluge. Thus, many trade guilds limit how often you can post WTB/S to chat... and many social/pvp/etc guilds also discourage chat spam.
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CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »Morgha_Kul wrote: »I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).
If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.
You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.
You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.
And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader
The trouble with this is that you can only trade with other guild members, because guilds of this sort can't get a trader in the world.
So you join a guild with a trader kiosk, turn off guild chat and you can only trade with other members? Are you sure you understand how the ESO trading system works? Also, guilds without dues get plenty of trader slots, I'm in two of them Belkarth and Windhelm BTW.
JUST A GUILD - yes you can only trade with other members (so when you list things in the store, only other guildies see them)
GUILD WITH A KIOSK "trader" - you can sell to all players who come to your kiosk
a "trade guild" is not a place for you to buy/sell in guild chat! a trade guild is what gives you access to a trade kiosk!
This has nothing to do with guild interaction (chat on or off) or membership status.
I mean, it's pretty obvious you just don't want to be in a guild. But none of the "reasons" you're giving are valid.Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on July 7, 2021 10:15PM1 -
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✭✭Morgha_Kul wrote: »If you weren't able to sell your companion gear in chat... then you have to sell it for cheaper. Undercut. Accept a lower price.
Law of supply and demand.
I did that. I asked prices a THIRD of what was asked on TTC. I'd ask in chat for a price check, and then immediately offer to sell for half of that. It never works.
that's 1 of your problems right there...going by TTC instead of what's actually going on in game right now. TTC says d.wax is currently 5k on xbox yet most people are selling for 3.5-4k now. Apply the same thing to your companion gear..most people already have their companions geared up so unlesss you're selling something like a purple soothing resto staff cheap or giving blues away for nothing then it's not going to sell because the craze for companion gear has faded and continues to decline each day.Edited by waterfairy on July 7, 2021 10:20PM0 -
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✭✭kringled_1 wrote: »Morgha_Kul wrote: »If you weren't able to sell your companion gear in chat... then you have to sell it for cheaper. Undercut. Accept a lower price.
Law of supply and demand.
I did that. I asked prices a THIRD of what was asked on TTC. I'd ask in chat for a price check, and then immediately offer to sell for half of that. It never works.
Because the number of people willing to pay those super high prices for that gear in the first week or two of the chapter is miniscule, and you weren't connecting with them. That's also why the prices have declined so steeply.
see they get it
sorry you missed the boat on selling companion gear high...I'm having a hard time giving away the lesser trait pieces for free let alone selling anyEdited by waterfairy on July 7, 2021 10:21PM0 -
Inaya✭✭✭✭✭
✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.
I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.
I've played a lot of MMOs, WoW included, and I don't miss the AHs at all. I like ESO's trading system and honestly prefer it. It's the only MMO I actually enjoy doing trading in.
Totally agree. It took me a little time to get used to but I love it.2 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.
I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.
Most of the people who like ESO trading system, are people who have never played another MMO before this one...
[snip]
I said this since close beta, in the MMO genre there's already proof of what works and what doesn't, and this trading system is a step backwards.
Ragnarok Online is a Korean/Japanese MMO from 2002 and have a similar trading system to this one. We are talking about 19 years ago... I played that game when I was a kid...
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✭I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.
I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.
Most of the people who like ESO trading system, are people who have never played another MMO before this one...
[snip]
I said this since close beta, in the MMO genre there's already proof of what works and what doesn't, and this trading system is a step backwards.
Ragnarok Online is a Korean/Japanese MMO from 2002 and have a similar trading system to this one. We are talking about 19 years ago... I played that game when I was a kid...
EVERY player has the right to an opinion, no matter what.. [snip] you don't like the trading system, fine.. that does not mean that it's a bad system.. many many players like it, BECAUSE it is not like the others
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✭✭I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.
I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.
Most of the people who like ESO trading system, are people who have never played another MMO before this one...
[snip]
I said this since close beta, in the MMO genre there's already proof of what works and what doesn't, and this trading system is a step backwards.
Ragnarok Online is a Korean/Japanese MMO from 2002 and have a similar trading system to this one. We are talking about 19 years ago... I played that game when I was a kid...
People who haven't played other MMO are 100% entitled to an opinion. They are perfectly able to state if they enjoy the trading concept in ESO.
I think the OP's suggestion of having a shopping centre of lots of stalls together (no not the handful in Mournhold etc) is a great idea! I much prefer the shopping centre experience to the Amazon one in this context.
What I think would be great would instead of this being a permanent selection of traders, that 30 or so are picked at random and pulled together like the golden vendor at the weekend. Small guilds get as much chance to be there as the big trading guilds
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Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 10, 2021 2:00PMSoupy twist0 -
PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »[SNIP
We're jaded, not stupid.
I've been kicked from or left almost every "big name/major/etc" trade guild on PC/NA. Yes, seriously, literally. Guess what? I'm still in 3 trade guilds. When the day comes that they kick me too... I'll just go apply to NEW guilds that have started, because guilds come and go all the time.
That's how guilds WORK. No, you won't fit in every guild. Being "jaded" isn't a reason, it's an excuse.
The ones that get the top trader spots, something that's much more important on systems without TTC, do not just come and go all the time. They don't like people taking their spots either. There was a lot of "competition" before they introduced multi-bidding that was absolutely harassment.
Next thing you're gonna say is ZOS takes harassment seriously. As far as consoles go, I have not found that to be the case.
ok few flaws there
1 - TTC exists on ALL platforms. Go to Tamrieltradecentre.com. yes CONSOLE is listed. Stadia is PC. If people on your platform/region don't upload data, that's not TTC not being there, it's people not using what's available.
2 - Uh, there's lots of turnover in the top spots, because there are lots of them. 3 Alliance capitals plus Vivec for top tier. Alinor, Rimmen, Solitude, Rawl'kha aren't bad either. Plenty of other zone capitals where you can do good sales as well.
There are new names on kiosks all the time. You're just not tracking it because it doesn't matter TO YOU.
3 - What does trader kiosks (spots) have to do with GUILD MEMBERSHIP? As in, being in a guild. I wasn't talking about being kicked from a trader, but a GUILD. The only reason to be in a trade guild is to access their kiosk (trader!)
I've come across a LOT of people who think "trade guild" means "I post WTB/WTS in guild chat" and while you CAN, here's why that's worse than selling zone chat:
A - Guilds are limited to 500 members, and it's rare to have more than 100 online at any given time.
B - You want a Gold MOther's SOrrow staff, common enough item, but you're expecting someone in the 40 people online in just your guild to have one ready to sell? They may, they may not. More people in zone chat, so better chances (and much easiser to use a trader kiosk to search in case the one guy who did want to sell that staff at your price was in a duel and didn't notice your WTB in zone)
C - If every person in a guild did all of their purchases through guild chat, that would be a spam deluge. Thus, many trade guilds limit how often you can post WTB/S to chat... and many social/pvp/etc guilds also discourage chat spam.
1. If TTC isn't as easy to use on console, its not console's fault that they dont use TTC. This whole argument is in bad faith.
2. Honestly I've seen massive reductions in my sales in Vivec, Rawkla and even Wayrest. People definitely don't like shopping at these spots as much as the main ones, and while they may get okay traffic, they aren't the same as Grahtwood and Mournhold.
3. What does this question even mean? Guild membership is currently the only way to access a trader spot, and losing your member ship means losing a heck of a lot.. There's 1 guild that has 4-5 top trading spots because they are 4-5 of the same guild, same leaders, just slightly different name. Imagine getting kicked from that guild. Not only would you lose 4 or 5 great trading spots, you'd probably be banned from half of the capital trading spots from other guilds that don't want to *** off the "group" guild.
I don't know who you're trying to explain guild chat to, but I know how it works.1 -
SolvarSoul ShrivenPlaying GW2 for a while, which has central trade system, there are some advantages there:
- One can instantly know what the value of an item is by looking at prices in the trading post.
- Because there is a central trading system, it is really rare to see people spamming map chat trying to buy or sell stuff.
- The trading post takes out 15% on each transaction, so acts as a gold sink (5% non refundable listing fee to encourage competitive pricing, 10% transaction fee)
That said, changing the system that exists in ESO would likely mess up a lot of things (trading guilds lack much purpose). But what might work is a global trading system in ESO with much higher listing/transaction fees, so casual players that only have a few things to buy/sell would use that, not making as much money, and serious traders would still use the guild traders.
The high transaction fees would also act as a gold sink. What is hard to predict is what this might do to the market as a whole, however. It is now made a easier for people to list items for sale (so higher supply), but also easier for people to find items to buy (so may be higher demand), but this could result in the prices on the global auction house being less than guild traders, which would also reduce their relevance, even though people using this global system are only make a fraction of what they could vs using guild traders.
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✭Playing GW2 for a while, which has central trade system, there are some advantages there:
- One can instantly know what the value of an item is by looking at prices in the trading post.
- Because there is a central trading system, it is really rare to see people spamming map chat trying to buy or sell stuff.
- The trading post takes out 15% on each transaction, so acts as a gold sink (5% non refundable listing fee to encourage competitive pricing, 10% transaction fee)
That said, changing the system that exists in ESO would likely mess up a lot of things (trading guilds lack much purpose). But what might work is a global trading system in ESO with much higher listing/transaction fees, so casual players that only have a few things to buy/sell would use that, not making as much money, and serious traders would still use the guild traders.
The high transaction fees would also act as a gold sink. What is hard to predict is what this might do to the market as a whole, however. It is now made a easier for people to list items for sale (so higher supply), but also easier for people to find items to buy (so may be higher demand), but this could result in the prices on the global auction house being less than guild traders, which would also reduce their relevance, even though people using this global system are only make a fraction of what they could vs using guild traders.
I agree with this.Exploring Tamriel since 1994.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »The debate about auction house comes up a at least monthly here on the forums. The long and short of it is PC players like it for the most part due to add-ons making it a lot easier and time savings compared to console where many players hate it due to its time-consuming nature.
The question for console players is do I play the game today [questing, dungeon, trials, farming or fishing etc.] or do I play the game where I visit the over 200 traders in game and growing with each land expansion in game. Written down where and at what price something is an and hope I don’t run out of my time to play that day and go back to purchase said items or just remember it for future reference.
A central listing house with location and prices with history would be a great help for the console players. Sure, finding something at a great price is nice but shopping is not something I enjoy in real life and I am sure as “blank” not doing it in game when ZOS makes it so difficult for base game players.
Stay safe and enjoy the journey 😊
PS, ZOS stop the micromanagement of the green tree 🥺
Facts and I like how people ignore it just like they ignored my message early. The truth hurts PC players 😅
But as stated their addon basically turns it into a hub that lets them know where items "might be" rather than blindly searching. That is a feature that should just be in the game.
Sure the item might be gone when I get there, but at least I know where they are rather than spending hours seeing "this is a very long load time".........I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.
I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.
Most of the people who like ESO trading system, are people who have never played another MMO before this one...
[snip]
I said this since close beta, in the MMO genre there's already proof of what works and what doesn't, and this trading system is a step backwards.
Ragnarok Online is a Korean/Japanese MMO from 2002 and have a similar trading system to this one. We are talking about 19 years ago... I played that game when I was a kid...
How many of those other games have entire guilds dedicated to trading and treat it as their end game activity? The economy in ESO is fluid and it is healthy. It is diverse enough to allow different levels of participation and all players can easily participate. Players (even new players) can get everything they need and most of what they want. This system is so much better than a central system for anybody that wants to put just a little time into trading.
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Inaya✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.
I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.
Most of the people who like ESO trading system, are people who have never played another MMO before this one...
[snip]
I said this since close beta, in the MMO genre there's already proof of what works and what doesn't, and this trading system is a step backwards.
Ragnarok Online is a Korean/Japanese MMO from 2002 and have a similar trading system to this one. We are talking about 19 years ago... I played that game when I was a kid...
1. Uhmmm really bad assumption that Most of the people who like ESO trading system, are people who have never played another MMO before this one... considering the average age of the typical ESO player. I've played FFXI, EQ2, EQ, WOW, FFXIV and love this trading system. It took some time to get used to because its not all about slamming something on a central AH and undercutting everyone else.
2. Of course new players are entitled to an opinion however they need to give themselves a chance to understand the system as well.
3. Definitely your opinion and mine is that I like this sytem better than the ones in the other MMO's I've played.
4. Never played Ragnorok but in reading about their system it doesn't seem similar at all.
Each Auction Hall and the auctions in it is separate from all of the rest. For example, items being auctioned in the Prontera Hall will not show up in the Lighthalzen hall.
Auctions can last a maximum of 72 hours. However, there is a fee of 12k/hr for auctioning an item. This means the system charges 864,000 Zeny for a 72-hour auction. Once an item is put up for auction it cannot be taken down until the time runs out or someone buys it with the "Buy it Now" price.
The minimum price for any item is 10,000,000 Zeny. The maximum price for any item is 990,000,000 Zeny. Account or character-bound items such as Wedding Rings cannot be auctioned.
Items won in auctions are mailed to the winners through the Mailing System. Items with no bids will be mailed back to the seller. Items can be searched for in the menu using the item name or bid number. Items are divided by type in the auction menu: Armor, Weaponry, Cards, or Miscellaneous.
Basically, you can search and buy items only in the town where you posted the items.
Up to 5 purchases/sales slots are available.
The sales commission is 12,000 zeny per hour.
The auction house is located in Morocc, Prontera, Juno, Lighthalzen.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1. Uhmmm really bad assumption that Most of the people who like ESO trading system, are people who have never played another MMO before this one... considering the average age of the typical ESO player. I've played FFXI, EQ2, EQ, WOW, FFXIV and love this trading system. It took some time to get used to because its not all about slamming something on a central AH and undercutting everyone else.
I don't claim to be "most people" but I definitely grew up with an MMORPG auction house. I dabbled in the Auction House Game, which is why I am fully aware that trading in an MMORPG is actually a game in and of itself.
Anyway, I played a lot of WoW, and the ESO trading system is what Blizzard should have had instead of their auction house. I think they wanted to replicate eBay/Amazon in the game, but that never really worked and it really didn't fit into the game. It always felt like "something else", and it was. (Edit: yes, I realize that the guild traders might not have worked in WoW due to smaller realm populations)
Edited by Elsonso on July 9, 2021 1:21PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭It's very clear almost everyone in this thread plays on pc. Trading is nowhere near as convenient on console as it is for you guys. I have to run all over creation trying to find things in stores, half the time I just give up and check the capital traders another day. And you can't even make any sales unless you're in one of the few popular locations, all those out of the way places get zero traffic. Some kind of built in ttc type thing would be fantastic for us since we can't use addons. Also I have no clue why consoles are even listed on the ttc website since we literally cannot use it, I swear it's just there to taunt us lol.2 -
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✭AlexKuczaja wrote: »People who want guildless auction house have no idea what they are asking for.
No, I know exactly what I am asking for. I came from another game with a far better economic model and trading system.
SWG is still the premiere MMO economic model which had both a central trading "auction house", *AND* personal / guild vendors were still highly relevant.
SWG's economic and trading system was all skill based. Any single player was able to trade on the central auction house - called the Bazaar Terminal - and sell items up to a certain amount of money. Anything beyond that amount of money had to be sold on a personal or guild trader.
The bazaar terminals were planet and region specific. So if I put an item up for sale on the Theed, Naboo bazaar, someone could *see* it and buy it on Mos Eisley, Tattooine, but would have to travel to Theed to pick it up.
As you leveled up your mercantile skills, you could get access to personal vendors that you could place in your home. People could come to your home and search and buy from your vendor. If you leveled up your mercantile high enough, you could have multiple vendors, and your vendors could be searchable from the bazaar terminal, meaning people wouldn't have to travel across the entire game to find what they were looking for. They could find the item on the bazaar, find the location it was stocked at, and they would still have to travel to pick it up, giving need for personal vendors.
If someone didn't want to spend skill points in mercantile but still wanted to sell, guilds in SWG were in world player created towns, with shops and malls. Someone in the guild could run the traders and place the items for the seller, giving relevance to guild traders.
There are economic models, with central trading hubs, that are vastly superior to anything that ESO has even attempted to dream up. As a seller, ESO has been by far my most financially successful MMO I've ever played, I've made more money here than I have anywhere else, but I still absolutely loathe this trading system that forces everything through guilds non-sensically.
I never have, and never will, agree with the economic model in this game, ranging from the fact that traders are centered through guilds, to the fact that crafters don't actually made the best gear in the game, and there is really no significant purpose for crafters in this game.1 -
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✭✭✭StarOfElyon wrote: »Maybe this has been mentioned before but it would be great to have a city (ideally Imperial City) where there is a district that has tons of guild traders. Maybe even 50 or more. It would be a nice place to go shopping. Currently, I have to hop between about four cities before I finally settle on a trader to buy from.
So would a lot of us. The current system is lousy, even with TTC access on the PC (in my view).PC
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