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I wish ESO had a trading hub

  • Kidgangster101
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    Hotdog_23 wrote: »
    The debate about auction house comes up a at least monthly here on the forums. The long and short of it is PC players like it for the most part due to add-ons making it a lot easier and time savings compared to console where many players hate it due to its time-consuming nature.

    The question for console players is do I play the game today [questing, dungeon, trials, farming or fishing etc.] or do I play the game where I visit the over 200 traders in game and growing with each land expansion in game. Written down where and at what price something is an and hope I don’t run out of my time to play that day and go back to purchase said items or just remember it for future reference.

    A central listing house with location and prices with history would be a great help for the console players. Sure, finding something at a great price is nice but shopping is not something I enjoy in real life and I am sure as “blank” not doing it in game when ZOS makes it so difficult for base game players.

    Stay safe and enjoy the journey 😊

    PS, ZOS stop the micromanagement of the green tree 🥺

    Facts and I like how people ignore it just like they ignored my message early. The truth hurts PC players 😅

    But as stated their addon basically turns it into a hub that lets them know where items "might be" rather than blindly searching. That is a feature that should just be in the game.

    Sure the item might be gone when I get there, but at least I know where they are rather than spending hours seeing "this is a very long load time".........
  • AlnilamE
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    It's surprising to me that some people claim to actually enjoy spending so much time going from zone to zone and vendor to vendor looking for good prices, all the while knowing that there's a very good chance they'll end up paying much more than they have to - because, as much as they say they enjoy the hunt, they will almost never visit even a third of the vendors on their buying quests. Because they don't enjoy it THAT much! But heh, to each his own. I seriously doubt it makes a difference what any of us think about it, because it's highly unlikely it will ever change. :D

    Honestly? I'd never go visit every single trader looking for something. But I usually hit all the traders I come across while playing the game looking for things I need, and if they are listed at the price I'm willing to pay, then I'll buy them.

    This means I'm usually checking 50 or so traders a week in various zones as I go questing or looking for surveys and treasure maps.
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  • Feljax
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    While generally, I like the concept of the ESO economy being spread around the world and the diversity that it brings to the market, as a "filthy casual", I will give my perspective.

    There are some days where I only have about an hour to play. If there is some item that I need for a build that I'm working on and I decide that I need to go shopping for it, that's basically my ENTIRE play time. Just shopping. Not exactly my idea of fun, personally but you do what you need to get what you're looking for.

    This is the only reason I like the idea of having a trading hub of some kind.
  • Túrin_Vidsmidr
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    I actually like it as it is, it's fun to discover good deals in outlying places.
    A centralized auction house would be boring and easier to exploit and manipulate prices.
    The best techniques are passed on by the survivors.
  • AlexKuczaja
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    People who want guildless auction house have no idea what they are asking for. Right now bidding for guild trader is major gold sink in the game. No. I understated that. It's THE gold sink. There is not any other gold sink.

    Each player gets a lot of gold by simply playing. It's comparable to everyone in country having money printing machine. Thus amount of gold in the market is increasing by a lot every single day. This make gold less valuable because if anyone have a lot of gold they can outbid each other until they find new, suitable price. That's simple rule of market. That's inflation. Right now inflation is out of hand. 800 for 1 crown? 150k for Chromium Plating? In some cases prices have risen by 200% since last year. It's economical disaster. But what we currently have, 100-200% price raise/year it's nothing compared to what we would be facing if we had guildless auction house. Because each week a millions of extra gold is sucked out of the market for bidding for guild traders. And not all of that gold comes from 7% guild tax. There are also members that didn't made required sales and have to pay to the guild for it. There are officers that pay into the guild for it to have a better spot. And if playerbase would be sucked out of trading guilds, the guilds would have less money to bid for trader. All of them.

    The day ZOS introduces guildless auction house would be the day i turn all my gold reserves into chromium platings. Because within several weeks gold would be worth less than 1% of it's value and something else will become new currency.
    Edited by AlexKuczaja on July 6, 2021 2:44PM
  • Morgha_Kul
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    I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
    I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).

    If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.
    Exploring Tamriel since 1994.
  • Viewsfrom6ix
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    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
    I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).

    If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.

    You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.

    You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.

    And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader :smiley:
  • Bigmatt2
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    I've often said we need to have 1 day a month where all the traders pack up shop and head to a special "farmers market" style zone or island.

    I can usually shop all the above ground traders within about 1 hr. Usually I mix things up and look when I'm in that given zone doing quests or dailies.

    It's the outlaw traders that take additional time given the fact they are behind an extra loading screen. It would be nice if we could get some type of "outlaw" wayshrine or some type of underground tunnel system, which would make it faster to travel to the different outlaw refuges.



  • Chadak
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    The wretched inconvenience of the trade system on here is something I've always loathed. I never wanted to have this...experience, such as it is...in my elder scrolls gaming.

    I use it because I have to in order to get anywhere in the game, though if I could personally rip the entire system out root and stem and replace it with virtually anything else, I would. In a heartbeat.
  • JKorr
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    You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

    The fact that TTC is needed for PC in the first place showcases the problematic design of ESO's trading system, and highlights the need of a central trading center.

    Ummm...no. TTC is useful for some players. TTC is not "needed". There was trading before TTC was created. Trading might have involved more work, but, just like the craft bag, people managed without it. TTC offers shortcuts.
  • jle30303
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    If you weren't able to sell your companion gear in chat... then you have to sell it for cheaper. Undercut. Accept a lower price.

    Law of supply and demand.
  • Kidgangster101
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    People who want guildless auction house have no idea what they are asking for. Right now bidding for guild trader is major gold sink in the game. No. I understated that. It's THE gold sink. There is not any other gold sink.

    Each player gets a lot of gold by simply playing. It's comparable to everyone in country having money printing machine. Thus amount of gold in the market is increasing by a lot every single day. This make gold less valuable because if anyone have a lot of gold they can outbid each other until they find new, suitable price. That's simple rule of market. That's inflation. Right now inflation is out of hand. 800 for 1 crown? 150k for Chromium Plating? In some cases prices have risen by 200% since last year. It's economical disaster. But what we currently have, 100-200% price raise/year it's nothing compared to what we would be facing if we had guildless auction house. Because each week a millions of extra gold is sucked out of the market for bidding for guild traders. And not all of that gold comes from 7% guild tax. There are also members that didn't made required sales and have to pay to the guild for it. There are officers that pay into the guild for it to have a better spot. And if playerbase would be sucked out of trading guilds, the guilds would have less money to bid for trader. All of them.

    The day ZOS introduces guildless auction house would be the day i turn all my gold reserves into chromium platings. Because within several weeks gold would be worth less than 1% of it's value and something else will become new currency.

    Or they could introduce items usually put into the crown store that can be bought with gold, also have higher taxes for people that aren't in a guild. I mean they could also cycle rare items into a vendor much like monster helms and legendary rings that cost lower gold to buy.

    I mean the reason those plating are so high is because of how rare they get. It has nothing to do with anything more than zos not improving the way gold smithing works.

    You see you are defending a system that works in almost every mmo ever made without realizing that there is no checks and balances from the dev team because they push crown sales rather than fix their game.
  • PizzaCat82
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    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
    I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).

    If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.

    You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.

    You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.

    And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader :smiley:

    You can't turn the chat off if you're on Console. You also can't block someone so if someone you don't like is spamming chat, then you have to deal with it.
  • Viewsfrom6ix
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    PizzaCat82 wrote: »
    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
    I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).

    If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.

    You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.

    You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.

    And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader :smiley:

    You can't turn the chat off if you're on Console. You also can't block someone so if someone you don't like is spamming chat, then you have to deal with it.

    Wow... That is terrible. Why don't they include such common features on console?
  • Kalik_Gold
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    Need a bazaar system like Everquest. Give an assistant your stuff to sell. Would be nice for people that don’t want to be in trade guilds.
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    Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige

    PvP:
    Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
    Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
    Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
    Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
    Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer

    PvP: (Specialty)
    Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
    Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade (Bomber)
    Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
    Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
    Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer

    PvE:
    Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight (Tank)
    Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight (Damage)
    Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar (Healer)
    Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden (One-Bar)
    Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade (Thief)

    Leveling...
    Two-Big-Horns an Argonian Arcanist
    Styx of Akatosh a Goblin* Arcanist
    Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
    Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
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    *Breton
    **Imperial




    __________________________Backstories:_________________________

    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
    PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
    Returning player - 2017-2022, back in 25'
  • Sheezabeast
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    Other than already being in 5 guilds, what legitimate reason is there /not/ to be in a trade guild? Serious answers please.
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    One thing I love about our current system is the fact that we have trade spots in every Outlaw Refuge. I think it's immersive and really fun to have stalls even there.
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  • CaffeinatedMayhem
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    Other than already being in 5 guilds, what legitimate reason is there /not/ to be in a trade guild? Serious answers please.

    Ok, from what I've heard:

    1. Guild finder is too hard to use. People want to type in the name of whatever guild they're buying from and BAM be accepted. (NO one seems to realize the wait list length for prominent trade guilds)
    2. Reading guild requirements is too hard (got kicked over dues/donations, playing in offline mode and not popping online every week, etc)
    3. NO BECAUSE TRADERS ARE CAPITALISM / Don't want to pay 7% sales tax to help support a kiosk and think sitting in zone chat is a good use of game time

    This is an entirely serious answer. Whenever I have asked @Sheezabeast 's question in game, these are the 3 answers I get.
    Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on July 7, 2021 5:31AM
  • waterfairy
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    Why does this game rely on so many outside sources? Want to talk to randoms in voice chat? Well you better go set up a discord and share that code and wait for everyone to join. Want to find an item you’re looking for? Better go to a third party site and search for items that’s re only listed if they are already viewed otherwise run around Tamriel like a headless chicken checking guild stores until you find it.

    Console version has a built in voice chat that's so buggy there's actually an apology message when logging in now lol...be thankful you have discord to talk
  • BlueRaven
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    Other than already being in 5 guilds, what legitimate reason is there /not/ to be in a trade guild? Serious answers please.

    Ok, from what I've heard:

    1. Guild finder is too hard to use. People want to type in the name of whatever guild they're buying from and BAM be accepted. (NO one seems to realize the wait list length for prominent trade guilds)
    2. Reading guild requirements is too hard (got kicked over dues/donations, playing in offline mode and not popping online every week, etc)
    3. NO BECAUSE TRADERS ARE CAPITALISM*

    This is an entirely serious answer. Whenever I have asked @Sheezabeast 's question in game, these are the 3 answers I get.

    *(with a big jab at Mr. I-bought-every-kiosk-in-Rawl-on- PCNA-to-show-how-bad-capitalism-is, which led to multi-bidding being implemented)

    1) I see guilds looking for members all the time, which means no wait list. If you are new to trade guilds, you don’t want to be in a “prominent” one. It’s like never doing dungeons, and joining a “prominent” high end trial guild, it tends lead to a bad experience.

    Join a social guild that has a vendor. Or a housing guild with a vendor. Something like that. Then when you have tested the waters go to a more “prominent” one.

    Personally I am not in a prominent trading guild and I am more then happy with my income.

    2) guilds need active members. Also guild member slots are limited. Why should guilds keep a space for a player who appears to no longer be logging on? Much better for them to invite someone who appears to be actively playing. If you don’t want to be bothered by other guild members, play in “do not disturb” mode.

    Also do you think “prominent” trading guilds are filled with offline people, who don’t support the guild with dues, etc? Being a “prominent” trading guild involves an active guild, it’s a team effort.

    Those spaces in those prominent cities are super expensive. I mean mind numbing types of gold is needed to be there each week. That is why the system is described as a gold sink.

    Again, join a lower end “no dues” trading guild. There are plenty of them, and you will be much happier.

    3)???? This is not a serious answer.
    Edited by BlueRaven on July 7, 2021 5:55AM
  • BlueRaven
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    PizzaCat82 wrote: »
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    I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
    I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).

    If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.

    You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.

    You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.

    And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader :smiley:

    You can't turn the chat off if you're on Console. You also can't block someone so if someone you don't like is spamming chat, then you have to deal with it.

    You can still “leave” guilds, can’t you? Don’t like the chat in a guild you are in, try to find one you like better, join it, then leave the old one.
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    Other than already being in 5 guilds, what legitimate reason is there /not/ to be in a trade guild? Serious answers please.

    So it's just not about the trading guild bro. Your looking at it from a selling stand point. Look at the buyers standpoint.

    PC uses an addon that helps point them in the direction of where the item could be..... What does console have to do something similar? It's a waste of time trying to find that motif or weird gear piece your looking for to try. Want to waste 4 hours to try it out and then go hmmm I'm not getting that 4 hours of my life back after it didn't work out?

    There is also major major major price differences of items ok console. Wanna know how I made crazy money every week without ever farming? Go to every city and search for high end pvp gear/PvE gear. Buy them all for under 7k turn around and sell them for 100+k just because my guild trader owned a major guild spot........

    People say this doesn't create a problem but that right there is already easy to manipulate because a lot of people won't take 4 hours to search up items. When I left for ff14 I literally have 500mil just sitting there for if I ever return.

    Want to know what an auction house/central hub does? It shows everyone what the actual prices of items are so we don't have stuff like what I did happen. But it's not just my fault, I guarantee most of the people I bought from legit had no clue what the item was worth because they didn't go to the main city to check. Or maybe they did but they only had a free trader in the middle of no where that most people don't check so they felt like an amazing deal for someone would actually move it, because if I didn't make crazy profit on it I wouldn't purchase it for resale.
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    Other than already being in 5 guilds, what legitimate reason is there /not/ to be in a trade guild? Serious answers please.

    So it's just not about the trading guild bro. Your looking at it from a selling stand point. Look at the buyers standpoint.

    PC uses an addon that helps point them in the direction of where the item could be..... What does console have to do something similar? It's a waste of time trying to find that motif or weird gear piece your looking for to try. Want to waste 4 hours to try it out and then go hmmm I'm not getting that 4 hours of my life back after it didn't work out?

    There is also major major major price differences of items ok console. Wanna know how I made crazy money every week without ever farming? Go to every city and search for high end pvp gear/PvE gear. Buy them all for under 7k turn around and sell them for 100+k just because my guild trader owned a major guild spot........

    People say this doesn't create a problem but that right there is already easy to manipulate because a lot of people won't take 4 hours to search up items. When I left for ff14 I literally have 500mil just sitting there for if I ever return.

    Want to know what an auction house/central hub does? It shows everyone what the actual prices of items are so we don't have stuff like what I did happen. But it's not just my fault, I guarantee most of the people I bought from legit had no clue what the item was worth because they didn't go to the main city to check. Or maybe they did but they only had a free trader in the middle of no where that most people don't check so they felt like an amazing deal for someone would actually move it, because if I didn't make crazy profit on it I wouldn't purchase it for resale.

    An auction house could just as easily be used to create the situation you describe on a larger scale.. person x with millions to spare, keeps buying all listings of certain items, to control the prices on that item
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    3)???? This is not a serious answer.

    I’m not disagreeing with anything that you said, but these are all answers I have gotten from zone chat when the topic of why people refuse to sell/use trade guilds.

    And yes #3 is a serious answer, or is from the people who believe thst. Remember the 50 people who joined 5 fake guilds to ultimately buy out every trader in Rawl’kha as a show of how “bad” capitalism is? (this was on PC/NA) Yes, there are people who legitimately believe that anything other than shouting in zone or a unified AH where even worse price manipulation can happen is EVIL.

    Whenever I tell people in zone to just use guild finder to find a trade guild, or to apply for one I’m in, it’s rare for anyone to actually DO THAT. 9 times out of 10 the response is “ guild finder is too hard to use” or “don’t want to wait for approval.” In guilds where I help manage applications, even asking for ANYTHING in the “tell us about yourself” field is too much for 50% of applicants.

    Short answer: there is no legit reason not to be in a trade guild. And console players: visit a few traders in the major cities. Do a quick survey of the items you want to sell. List at said price. It takes time but you shouldn’t need to adjust your pricing more than once a week. If you stick to selling gold mats this is usually a fairly quick process. And watch what people are advertising in zone chat. I did this to set my prices for all of year 1, before I joined a guild and learned about addons.
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    PizzaCat82 wrote: »
    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    I would agree. Not being in a trading guild, I was forced to try to sell goods (excess companion gear, motifs, etc.) by announcing in chat.
    I ended up selling ONE companion staff after weeks of trying. I've got DOZENS of things I could have sold (and sold while they were still WORTH something... now, many of the companion items are trader trash, where they used to be worth millions, in some cases).

    If I'd had a place I could sell them without needing a guild, that would have been very helpful.

    You can try joining a low end trading guild with no dues, there are PLENTY of them.

    You can also turn the chat off for the guild if you don't want engagement. That is what I do for most of my guilds.

    And BAM, you can enjoy the game as you always have and have a free trader :smiley:

    You can't turn the chat off if you're on Console. You also can't block someone so if someone you don't like is spamming chat, then you have to deal with it.

    On xbox if you click on their gamertag and block them.on xbox then you won't see any chat from them in eso even if they're in a guild with you...sometimes I see people chat with themselves and I'm like oh they must be talking to a spammer I've blocked :smile:

    Oh and btw you can turn chat off in game...check your settings
    Edited by waterfairy on July 7, 2021 1:56PM
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    3)???? This is not a serious answer.

    I’m not disagreeing with anything that you said, but these are all answers I have gotten from zone chat when the topic of why people refuse to sell/use trade guilds.

    And yes #3 is a serious answer, or is from the people who believe thst. Remember the 50 people who joined 5 fake guilds to ultimately buy out every trader in Rawl’kha as a show of how “bad” capitalism is? (this was on PC/NA) Yes, there are people who legitimately believe that anything other than shouting in zone or a unified AH where even worse price manipulation can happen is EVIL.

    Whenever I tell people in zone to just use guild finder to find a trade guild, or to apply for one I’m in, it’s rare for anyone to actually DO THAT. 9 times out of 10 the response is “ guild finder is too hard to use” or “don’t want to wait for approval.” In guilds where I help manage applications, even asking for ANYTHING in the “tell us about yourself” field is too much for 50% of applicants.

    Short answer: there is no legit reason not to be in a trade guild. And console players: visit a few traders in the major cities. Do a quick survey of the items you want to sell. List at said price. It takes time but you shouldn’t need to adjust your pricing more than once a week. If you stick to selling gold mats this is usually a fairly quick process. And watch what people are advertising in zone chat. I did this to set my prices for all of year 1, before I joined a guild and learned about addons.

    Because I don't want to have to worry about pleasing people I don't know just to be able to trade in game. Could be a well adjusted person who is chill, but could also be a kick-happy control freak who's looking to make members jump through all sorts of hoops to continue being in the guild. Could be a great free guild with a nice trader spot and helpful members, or could be 500 alpha chad types with toxic leadership who's hugely insecure about other competitive guilds and will kick you based on the other guilds you are in. Or kick you for killing them in PVP, or just because you're don't like to talk in chat a lot. Or you don't like someone who does.

    Is this a legit reason? Who knows. Jumping from guild to guild, especially with bad blood, is a quick way to get yourself banned from most large trading guilds. Not to mention auto-kicked from pub trials and losing all your listing fees.

    Do you think the players who are against guild traders aren't in them? That they don't know how to use traders or sell materials to make a lot of money?

    We're jaded, not stupid.


    Oh and btw you can turn chat off in game...check your settings

    You can turn all chat off or none, PC players can turn off channels.
    Edited by PizzaCat82 on July 7, 2021 2:23PM
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    Short answer: there is no legit reason not to be in a trade guild. And console players: visit a few traders in the major cities. Do a quick survey of the items you want to sell. List at said price. It takes time but you shouldn’t need to adjust your pricing more than once a week. If you stick to selling gold mats this is usually a fairly quick process. And watch what people are advertising in zone chat. I did this to set my prices for all of year 1, before I joined a guild and learned about addons.

    I would not go so far as to say there is no "legit" reason. Any reason that someone can come up with will be considered "legit", even if there is only one person on the planet that thinks that. :smile:

    Joining a trading guild, either a part time guild or a full time guild, is the answer. Whether people choose to accept that answer is up to them.

    When I want one, I have never had a problem finding a guild that has a trader, even if occasionally. If I get kicked, which has never happened, I will just move on to another one.



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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Short answer: there is no legit reason not to be in a trade guild. And console players: visit a few traders in the major cities. Do a quick survey of the items you want to sell. List at said price. It takes time but you shouldn’t need to adjust your pricing more than once a week. If you stick to selling gold mats this is usually a fairly quick process. And watch what people are advertising in zone chat. I did this to set my prices for all of year 1, before I joined a guild and learned about addons.

    I would not go so far as to say there is no "legit" reason. Any reason that someone can come up with will be considered "legit", even if there is only one person on the planet that thinks that. :smile:

    Joining a trading guild, either a part time guild or a full time guild, is the answer. Whether people choose to accept that answer is up to them.

    When I want one, I have never had a problem finding a guild that has a trader, even if occasionally. If I get kicked, which has never happened, I will just move on to another one.



    on xbox there's only 4 good trader spots and the guilds that dominate those charge 10-20k weekly dues which is only worth it if you're active with lots to sell...the rest of the traders are ghost towns with scarce sales that you're better off selling in zone chat
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    Yeah the current system is bad. But it's been proven that developers will continue using a poor system once an investment of money, time, ect has been made on it. Facts.
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    PizzaCat82 wrote: »
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    We're jaded, not stupid.

    I've been kicked from or left almost every "big name/major/etc" trade guild on PC/NA. Yes, seriously, literally. Guess what? I'm still in 3 trade guilds. When the day comes that they kick me too... I'll just go apply to NEW guilds that have started, because guilds come and go all the time.
    That's how guilds WORK. No, you won't fit in every guild. Being "jaded" isn't a reason, it's an excuse.
    Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on July 7, 2021 3:25PM
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