I wish ESO had a trading hub

StarOfElyon

Maybe this has been mentioned before but it would be great to have a city (ideally Imperial City) where there is a district that has tons of guild traders. Maybe even 50 or more. It would be a nice place to go shopping. Currently, I have to hop between about four cities before I finally settle on a trader to buy from.

LyricsEcho

Rawl ka, vivec, mournhold, stormhold not enough?

CaffeinatedMayhem

LyricsEcho wrote: »

Rawl ka, vivec, mournhold, stormhold not enough?

It's every zone capital has 5-6, plus the random small traders. ESO's system makes you do work if you want to buy, and that means peopoe can charge differing amounts based on location. You want quick and easy access? Go to Mournhold and pay the markup. YOu want a deal? Go track something down at a smaller trader at a crossroads.

Tamrieltradecentre.com does exist if you need to search.

radiostar

or channel

amm7sb14_ESO

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

Viewsfrom6ix

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

That is your opinion but I quite like it. I can find really good deals without bots snipping them up. The trader system is like a mini game which I find fun.

amm7sb14_ESO

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

That is your opinion but I quite like it. I can find really good deals without bots snipping them up. The trader system is like a mini game which I find fun.

The guild system is not needed for any of that. The current system is very unfriendly to anyone outside of the major trading guilds.

PigofSteel

Zone no taxes best.

Ratzkifal

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

That is your opinion but I quite like it. I can find really good deals without bots snipping them up. The trader system is like a mini game which I find fun.

The guild system is not needed for any of that. The current system is very unfriendly to anyone outside of the major trading guilds.

How so? I guess it's unfriendly to players who aren't in any trading guild, but even a minor trading guild in a low competition area can do its job. I don't know how it is on console, but due to stuff like TTC people do go shopping in remote locations if there is a bargain to be had. I would assume on console the value of items isn't as set in stone which makes the decentralized system a good fit as well because if you have good market sense you can get cheap deals easily by going to remote locations.
An auction house makes it easier for a few dedicated people to easily control the market on limited/rare goods, so that wouldn't be an alternative. The inherent inconvenience of ESO's system is what makes it so hard for a few players to control the market, which ultimately helps the players.
A place with more guild traders than 6 could work to take competition away from the current top spots, but that just makes the competition for those spots worse. Ideally there need to be lots of equally good trader locations so the competition among the major guilds isn't as fierce because the customers are spread out more thinly across the world.

A change I could see ZOS doing is allowing non-members to sell items at guild traders of guilds they are not part of. You go to a guild trader, list your item there knowing that whoever you listed it with gets a cut. Then the system would still be decentralized, trading guilds would still exist and the incentive of joining one would be a smaller fee or more sale slots when selling at your own trader, solo players would have a convenient way to sell items instead of having to rely on WTS in zone chat, buyers can be happy about a lot of less dedicated people selling valuable items cheaper than market value, undermining monopolys and attempts at dictating prices.

BlueRaven

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

That is your opinion but I quite like it. I can find really good deals without bots snipping them up. The trader system is like a mini game which I find fun.

The guild system is not needed for any of that. The current system is very unfriendly to anyone outside of the major trading guilds.

I am now in two housing guilds that have no dues, require no participation, and they both have traders. In fact all of my guilds have a trader, even though only two of them consider themselves a “trading guild”.

I have always said, if a housing guild can have a trader, there is nothing wrong with the system.

amm7sb14_ESO

BlueRaven wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

That is your opinion but I quite like it. I can find really good deals without bots snipping them up. The trader system is like a mini game which I find fun.

The guild system is not needed for any of that. The current system is very unfriendly to anyone outside of the major trading guilds.

I am now in two housing guilds that have no dues, require no participation, and they both have traders. In fact all of my guilds have a trader, even though only two of them consider themselves a “trading guild”.

I have always said, if a housing guild can have a trader, there is nothing wrong with the system.

My non-trading guild also has a trader, and I am easily making more money here than I have in any other MMO I have ever played.

It is still a non-sensical system and the worst trading system I have ever seen in an MMO

Malpheus_Prime

I like the decentralized nature of things that allows folks to shop around for the best price or settle for a convenient item at a markup... preferrable that way in real life... I wouldn't want amazon.com on eso... I can expedia it @ TTC.com

LittlePinkDot

Ratzkifal wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

That is your opinion but I quite like it. I can find really good deals without bots snipping them up. The trader system is like a mini game which I find fun.

The guild system is not needed for any of that. The current system is very unfriendly to anyone outside of the major trading guilds.

How so? I guess it's unfriendly to players who aren't in any trading guild, but even a minor trading guild in a low competition area can do its job. I don't know how it is on console, but due to stuff like TTC people do go shopping in remote locations if there is a bargain to be had. I would assume on console the value of items isn't as set in stone which makes the decentralized system a good fit as well because if you have good market sense you can get cheap deals easily by going to remote locations.
An auction house makes it easier for a few dedicated people to easily control the market on limited/rare goods, so that wouldn't be an alternative. The inherent inconvenience of ESO's system is what makes it so hard for a few players to control the market, which ultimately helps the players.
A place with more guild traders than 6 could work to take competition away from the current top spots, but that just makes the competition for those spots worse. Ideally there need to be lots of equally good trader locations so the competition among the major guilds isn't as fierce because the customers are spread out more thinly across the world.

A change I could see ZOS doing is allowing non-members to sell items at guild traders of guilds they are not part of. You go to a guild trader, list your item there knowing that whoever you listed it with gets a cut. Then the system would still be decentralized, trading guilds would still exist and the incentive of joining one would be a smaller fee or more sale slots when selling at your own trader, solo players would have a convenient way to sell items instead of having to rely on WTS in zone chat, buyers can be happy about a lot of less dedicated people selling valuable items cheaper than market value, undermining monopolys and attempts at dictating prices.

I want a real auction house. I don't play often and always end up getting kicked out of guilds. So I never get to sell anything. I'm always at a disadvantage.

hundergrn

A real auction house still wouldn't grant many favors to you. Even if undercutting the current price, the race to the bottom on plentiful items is no joke and worse of rarer items.

Nothing stops you from joining random trade guilds for the time that you do play, post your items and disappear till their inactivity standards kick in. I don't think you lose anything when kicked from a guild, at most they get canceled and returned by mail.

Between rampant price fixing, bot sellers, and the increased difficulty to find a good deal on usually high priced items... Centralized or Decentralized, you would still be at a disadvantage unless you signed in semi-frequent to maintain your wares. Understandably, not everyone has that option and IRL takes priority.

kargen27

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

Yet there are entire guilds that consider the trade system to be their in game activity. They dedicate as much time to trading as any trial guild looking to get on leader board does to learning trials. The current system is tiered so every player can participate. No need to be in a trade guild. Social guilds often get a trader and even if they do not you can still sell goods to other guild members. Zone chat can be used by players that just sell items infrequently.

The economy is fluid and thriving. Having over 200 trader locations makes it so a few players can't dominate or monopolize the market on rare items. Those same 200 traders also means there is no real price fixing. If players plan ahead they can sometimes take advantage of rare items for a few hours and in rare cases maybe a couple of days. Never last long though and usually only affects players that have the gold to spend and want the new stuff immediately. Sure it might be hard to find a good deal but with a central site there would be no good deals.

Austacker

I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.

I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.

Sylvermynx

Austacker wrote: »

I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.

I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.

Yeah. Both WoW and RIFT were my previous MMOs. But I've come to the realization that in their quest to be "different" this is what we have.

And a lot of that is because all those trading guilds would take their tens of thousands of members somewhere else if the whole setup here went away.

Amottica

LyricsEcho wrote: »

Rawl ka, vivec, mournhold, stormhold not enough?

Yes, my thought is ESO has several trading hubs. I kind of like it compared to the central systems in other games I have played.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Austacker wrote: »

I just wish this game had a unified AH and no requirement for guild membership to participate.

I come from other MMOs (Like WOW) that have unified AH's and it's seamless in comparison to this model.

I've played a lot of MMOs, WoW included, and I don't miss the AHs at all. I like ESO's trading system and honestly prefer it. It's the only MMO I actually enjoy doing trading in.

Sheezabeast

You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

kargen27

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

You don't even need a trader spot to sell if you join an active guild. I made my first million gold just selling to guild mates in the store. Celebrated by donating the million to the guild for a raffle.
I'm in a trade guild now and any day I want I can make a million gold (couldn't do it a lot of days on a row though) so there is definitely a difference in results between the two. Kind of like everything else in the game. There are different levels to trading just like there are different levels to trials and PvP.

JKorr

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, ESO's trading system is the absolute worst and most non-sensical I have ever seen in any MMO I have ever played.

That is your opinion but I quite like it. I can find really good deals without bots snipping them up. The trader system is like a mini game which I find fun.

The guild system is not needed for any of that. The current system is very unfriendly to anyone outside of the major trading guilds.

"Major" trading guilds? What exactly constitutes a "major" trading guild? Because my social guilds have traders, and no fees or required sales. Unless you are playing Elder Trading Scrolls Online, where trading is the ultimate end game, surpassing even being emperor, there are traders accessible to anyone who wants to make an effort to find one.

Blacknight841

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

LyricsEcho wrote: »

Rawl ka, vivec, mournhold, stormhold not enough?

It's every zone capital has 5-6, plus the random small traders. ESO's system makes you do work if you want to buy, and that means peopoe can charge differing amounts based on location. You want quick and easy access? Go to Mournhold and pay the markup. YOu want a deal? Go track something down at a smaller trader at a crossroads.

Tamrieltradecentre.com does exist if you need to search.

... it exists for 33% of the player base. It does not exist for the majority of the players. Console players do not have an api to hit, and thus our data does not get added to TTC.

zelaminator

Very much no to a centralized auction house.. that system has always been horrible..

ApoAlaia

Blacknight841 wrote: »

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

LyricsEcho wrote: »

Rawl ka, vivec, mournhold, stormhold not enough?

It's every zone capital has 5-6, plus the random small traders. ESO's system makes you do work if you want to buy, and that means peopoe can charge differing amounts based on location. You want quick and easy access? Go to Mournhold and pay the markup. YOu want a deal? Go track something down at a smaller trader at a crossroads.

Tamrieltradecentre.com does exist if you need to search.

... it exists for 33% of the player base. It does not exist for the majority of the players. Console players do not have an api to hit, and thus our data does not get added to TTC.

I would think that in some cases that is a blessing.

Flipping on console must be significantly more labour intensive - thus less prevalent - than on PC.

Besides you will never know the feeling of consistently 'arriving too late to the party', which is what I have been experiencing lately with the wretched Blackwood treasure maps.

amm7sb14_ESO

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

The fact that TTC is needed for PC in the first place showcases the problematic design of ESO's trading system, and highlights the need of a central trading center.

K9002

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

The fact that TTC is needed for PC in the first place showcases the problematic design of ESO's trading system, and highlights the need of a central trading center.

TTC is serving the same purpose as bazaar terminals in SWG. The major difference is that SWG had it built right into the game, which came with convenience features such as downloading trader coordinates that you could keep in your datapad afterwards. Ironically one of the main SWG devs Chris Mayer works for Bethesda Austin now. I haven't played Fallout 76 but I heard that it features a system of vending machines placed in player houses (like SWG), although individual server capacity is low in that game, so I guess there is no global search system.

LyricsEcho

Sheezabeast wrote: »

You can use guild finder to join a trade guild with no dues. Because of the use of TTC, people do visit smaller out of the way trader spots. Saying it is not friendly to people not in big guilds just simply isn't true.

Trading on eso gets you moving and makes you go out and visit zones that would probably be vacant if a Auction House existed.

Narvuntien

A reminder that ESOs trading system does a really good job at preventing inflation and does so by taxing the richest players, the traders.

I don't think there is a better way to pull millions of gold out of the system so efficiently.

tohopka_eso

I thought like you did OP in the beginning. I came from a few different MMO's (I never played WoW so not sure how that one is).

I use to play EQ when the trading was in a tunnel and people just say what wares they were selling. Then they added an actual Hub, but only so many people could use it and you had to compete with bots.

I wanted a central but then remember how inflated prices can be from the bots. I also play FF14 and hate there trading system after getting use to ESO, mainly again, fighting with bots.

I finally understand the way ESO works and almost the why.

BlueRaven

Narvuntien wrote: »

A reminder that ESOs trading system does a really good job at preventing inflation and does so by taxing the richest players, the traders.

I don't think there is a better way to pull millions of gold out of the system so efficiently.

^^This