So nobody is a fake dd cause we all deal damage. /s
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✭✭You cant be a fake dps, just a really bad one
You did dammage? Job accomplished! Now do it better
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »You cant be a fake dps, just a really bad one
You did dammage? Job accomplished! Now do it better
Same apply for every role
Just run at mobs and call them names. That's not fake tanking. Just heal yourself only, that's not fake healing. Just use stealth and kill all bosses without your group present. That's not being a fake group member. It's all just being bad.1 -
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✭There are no fake DDs, tanks, or heals only impatient selfish players that think everyone should play their way. Change my mind.1 -
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Okay, this legit irks me. I don't say this often, but StamKnights are a wonderfully lazy build. I don't mean the players running them are lazy, I mean, if you want to kick back and relax a little, the StamKnight is the perfect class. The entire build is centered on applying as many poison DoTs as humanly possible, and if you're just not feeling it today? Missing a few is absolutely fine. You vomit on them, you slash them, you use poison inject and acid spray, then you do it all again, and you'll still turn out pretty decent damage even if you're missing weaves. The problem is, hail is physical damage, and there's no reason to spam it.
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✭✭✭✭So generally when people call someone a fake healer or fake tank, they're referring to people who queue as those roles but don't intend to fulfill them at all and do it only to jump the queue. In that sense...no, there are no fake DDs, because if someone queues as one, they *generally* intend to fulfill that role, even if they do it poorly. In that case, it really is bad DD instead of a fake one.
Of course you then get people who hide in a corner and only spam Bow LAs at enemies and bosses and end up getting nuked most of the time and also sometimes cause the group to wipe. That's someone I would say classifies as a fake DD; sure, they're doing damage, but they're doing basically the minimum and aren't actually contributing to the group in any meaningful way.
And there are the weird times when you get someone queued as a DD who insists on instead spamming like...a single heal like Combat Prayer, or who insists on taunting mobs/bosses even though they aren't a tank and can't absorb the damage. Those people I'd say are also fake DDs, and also very confused lol.
But when it comes to the context people use the term 'fake' for around here most of the time, then no, I wouldn't call people fake DDs, just bad ones.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
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Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
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✭✭✭✭✭But when it comes to the context people use the term 'fake' for around here most of the time, then no, I wouldn't call people fake DDs, just bad ones.
People use fake dd around here to mean the person isn't doing the job they queued up to do. People strawman it into saying they are queue dodging and deceitful so that they can call the people who use the term elitist and refuse to actually discuss the problem they have.
A lot of times it's like "we need a dps check before entering dungeons so that fake dds learn that there are issues with their build and how to fix them, because they may not even realize that their build is not focused on damage and they aren't even meeting the bare minimum requirements of their role for the dungeons."
And people then turn around and claim they are calling those DDs dishonest like people who queue dodge, when that is almost never the case.
And no amount of pointing out that fake DOES NOT automatically mean deceitful dissuades them from insisting that's what you really meant, because their goal is to attack you for wanting a minimum standard not to engage honestly with the points you're making.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 28, 2021 4:41AM1 -
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✭✭Agreed. Same for healers, I don't need that roles anyway. I do it all on my own if needed. Never got why PvE players even complain about that. If they would be better players, they wouldn't need Healers or Tanks.
And I never got why people who don't like support roles feel so insistent on shoving that viewpoint onto everyone else. The game is literally designed around having support roles, so if you don't want them/need them... you are the exception to the rule, not the rule. Let people enjoy their supports, as it certainly doesn't make them "bad" players by playing with them. That's nothing but an elitist perspective.Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna2 -
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Yes, but as long as they are actually doing some damage then they have succeeded by this definition. None of us actually set the standard of what is acceptable damage unless we decide to actually form the group vs ask the game to do it for us.0 -
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Yes, but as long as they are actually doing some damage then they have succeeded by this definition. None of us actually set the standard of what is acceptable damage unless we decide to actually form the group vs ask the game to do it for us.
The game itself sets the standard. You literally cannot complete the dungeon if you don't meet it. It's the same level of impossibility as bringing in a level 20. You cannot possibly pull your own weight on a 15k dps check when you have 5k dps. You cannot actually do your role in the dungeon, which is to focus on damage to meet any dungeon dps checks.
Everyone does damage. Your armor can passively do damage. My pets can do damage. I can go afk and do damage. Doing damage is NOT what makes a dps. A dps focuses on damage, so as to meet dps checks. That's their unique job in the group. That's how ZOS designed their dungeons.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 28, 2021 4:53AM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
Yes, but as long as they are actually doing some damage then they have succeeded by this definition. None of us actually set the standard of what is acceptable damage unless we decide to actually form the group vs ask the game to do it for us.
The game itself sets the standard. You literally cannot complete the dungeon if you don't meet it. It's the same level of impossibility as bringing in a level 20. You cannot possibly pull your own weight on a 15k dps check when you have 5k dps. You cannot actually do your role in the dungeon, which is to focus on damage to meet any dungeon dps checks.
Everyone does damage. Your armor can passively do damage. My pets can do damage. I can go afk and do damage. Doing damage is NOT what makes a dps. A dps focuses on damage, so as to meet dps checks. That's their unique job in the group. That's how ZOS designed their dungeons.
Oh yes, I agree that the game sets the standard with fights that do have some sort of time limit or healing of the boss. However, my comment was clearly more in line that none of us set the standard of what constitutes a DD unless we are forming the group vs asking the game to set us up with random players.
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
Yes, but as long as they are actually doing some damage then they have succeeded by this definition. None of us actually set the standard of what is acceptable damage unless we decide to actually form the group vs ask the game to do it for us.
The game itself sets the standard. You literally cannot complete the dungeon if you don't meet it. It's the same level of impossibility as bringing in a level 20. You cannot possibly pull your own weight on a 15k dps check when you have 5k dps. You cannot actually do your role in the dungeon, which is to focus on damage to meet any dungeon dps checks.
Everyone does damage. Your armor can passively do damage. My pets can do damage. I can go afk and do damage. Doing damage is NOT what makes a dps. A dps focuses on damage, so as to meet dps checks. That's their unique job in the group. That's how ZOS designed their dungeons.
Oh yes, I agree that the game sets the standard with fights that do have some sort of time limit or healing of the boss. However, my comment was clearly more in line that none of us set the standard of what constitutes a DD unless we are forming the group vs asking the game to set us up with random players.
But the standard most often requested is the standard of the dungeon. And people only call people fake when they don't meet the standard of the dungeon.
This is then falsely claimed to be the person wanting that person out of the queue because they don't meet the dungeons standards as having your own standard. It's not our standard. We didn't put the dps checks in the game.
The person saying fake usually NOT set that standard. It's false to call it their standard. And is basically used to attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.
There are some delusional people that think people should be hitting like 40k or whatever, but that's by far the minority. Most of the suggestions I have seen between 15k-25k range, which is literally just the range required by the dungeons.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 28, 2021 5:23AM0 -
madrab73✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »
Yes, but as long as they are actually doing some damage then they have succeeded by this definition. None of us actually set the standard of what is acceptable damage unless we decide to actually form the group vs ask the game to do it for us.
The game itself sets the standard. You literally cannot complete the dungeon if you don't meet it. It's the same level of impossibility as bringing in a level 20. You cannot possibly pull your own weight on a 15k dps check when you have 5k dps. You cannot actually do your role in the dungeon, which is to focus on damage to meet any dungeon dps checks.
Everyone does damage. Your armor can passively do damage. My pets can do damage. I can go afk and do damage. Doing damage is NOT what makes a dps. A dps focuses on damage, so as to meet dps checks. That's their unique job in the group. That's how ZOS designed their dungeons.
Oh yes, I agree that the game sets the standard with fights that do have some sort of time limit or healing of the boss. However, my comment was clearly more in line that none of us set the standard of what constitutes a DD unless we are forming the group vs asking the game to set us up with random players.
But the standard most often requested is the standard of the dungeon. And people only call people fake when they don't meet the standard of the dungeon.
This is then falsely claimed to be the person wanting that person out of the queue because they don't meet the dungeons standards as having your own standard. It's not our standard. We didn't put the dps checks in the game.
The person saying fake usually NOT set that standard. It's false to call it their standard. And is basically used to attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.
There are some delusional people that think people should be hitting like 40k or whatever, but that's by far the minority. Most of the suggestions I have seen between 15k-25k range, which is literally just the range required by the dungeons.
I've had to leave groups recently as the DDs were doing less damage than my tank.
It's not the players fault.
ZOS has made it easy for players to level CP quickly without the need for slotting passives or learning basic game skills.
The CP requirement for vet dungeons needs to be increased.0 -
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The CP requirement for vet dungeons needs to be increased.
Higher CP requirement will do nothing. I have seen 1.2k+ CP light attack Legolas bow spammers (vDoM btw, not even a normal vet, but a vet dlc). what we need, is in-game role tutorials with different difficulty levels. that's all. A non judgemental solo environment to learn your role.
PS: there is also the other side of the scale, I have completed vFV with 160 170 and 300 CP's teammates. Don't ask me how they got there, dungeon finder works in mysterious ways.Edited by zvavi on June 28, 2021 5:41AM6 -
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The CP requirement for vet dungeons needs to be increased.
Higher CP requirement will do nothing. I have seen 1.2k+ CP light attack Legolas bow spammers (vDoM btw, not even a normal vet, but a vet dlc). what we need, is in-game role tutorials with different difficulty levels. that's all. A non judgemental solo environment to learn your role.
PS: there is also the other side of the scale, I have completed vFV with 160 170 and 300 CP's teammates. Don't ask me how they got there, dungeon finder works in mysterious ways.
Yeah, maybe a parse check to pass before you can access more difficult content.0 -
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✭It's simple:
Fake tanks or healers are "fake" because they are people who are playing alternate roles instead of the one they queue'd for. There is no intention of playing the tank or healer responsibilities.
"Fake DD's" still intend to do their role, they just either can't or don't know how to fulfill that role up to standards. In that regard, they aren't "fake", they are inept.
So no, Fake DPS is not a thing. Not to the equivalent of fake tanks and healers.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »It's simple:
Fake tanks or healers are "fake" because they are people who are playing alternate roles instead of the one they queue'd for. There is no intention of playing the tank or healer responsibilities.
"Fake DD's" still intend to do their role, they just either can't or don't know how to fulfill that role up to standards. In that regard, they aren't "fake", they are inept.
So no, Fake DPS is not a thing. Not to the equivalent of fake tanks and healers.
So a tank that intends to tank by drawing agro through damage is not a fake tank because he plans on tanking? Same way ignorance to the law doesn't make you legally immune, not being aware of what your role should entail doesn't make you not fake if you don't do that.Edited by zvavi on June 28, 2021 5:56AM2 -
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✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »It's simple:
Fake tanks or healers are "fake" because they are people who are playing alternate roles instead of the one they queue'd for. There is no intention of playing the tank or healer responsibilities.
"Fake DD's" still intend to do their role, they just either can't or don't know how to fulfill that role up to standards. In that regard, they aren't "fake", they are inept.
So no, Fake DPS is not a thing. Not to the equivalent of fake tanks and healers.
So a tank that intends to tank by drawing agro through damage is not a fake tank because he plans on tanking? Same way ignorance to the law doesn't make you legally immune, not being aware of what your role should entail doesn't make you not fake if you don't do that.
If you have a build that can maintain aggro, then sure. I have tank builds that maintain aggro without a single taunt ability on either bar.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »It's simple:
Fake tanks or healers are "fake" because they are people who are playing alternate roles instead of the one they queue'd for. There is no intention of playing the tank or healer responsibilities.
"Fake DD's" still intend to do their role, they just either can't or don't know how to fulfill that role up to standards. In that regard, they aren't "fake", they are inept.
So no, Fake DPS is not a thing. Not to the equivalent of fake tanks and healers.
So a tank that intends to tank by drawing agro through damage is not a fake tank because he plans on tanking? Same way ignorance to the law doesn't make you legally immune, not being aware of what your role should entail doesn't make you not fake if you don't do that.
If you have a build that can maintain aggro, then sure. I have tank builds that maintain aggro without a single taunt ability on either bar.
No no.... You don't get it. They came from wow. Heard that dk is a tank class. And are running 2h dk while trying to keep agro with damage. Without building into it naturally.0 -
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✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »It's simple:
Fake tanks or healers are "fake" because they are people who are playing alternate roles instead of the one they queue'd for. There is no intention of playing the tank or healer responsibilities.
"Fake DD's" still intend to do their role, they just either can't or don't know how to fulfill that role up to standards. In that regard, they aren't "fake", they are inept.
So no, Fake DPS is not a thing. Not to the equivalent of fake tanks and healers.
So a tank that intends to tank by drawing agro through damage is not a fake tank because he plans on tanking? Same way ignorance to the law doesn't make you legally immune, not being aware of what your role should entail doesn't make you not fake if you don't do that.
If you have a build that can maintain aggro, then sure. I have tank builds that maintain aggro without a single taunt ability on either bar.
No no.... You don't get it. They came from wow. Heard that dk is a tank class. And are running 2h dk while trying to keep agro with damage. Without building into it naturally.
Then it sounds like he needs to learn the mechanics of the game but it sounds like he's at least trying to play the role.
When I started ESO, I tried to tank with a 2h too. I wasn't faking anything, and still frequently got the job done. I just needed to learn1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »It's simple:
Fake tanks or healers are "fake" because they are people who are playing alternate roles instead of the one they queue'd for. There is no intention of playing the tank or healer responsibilities.
"Fake DD's" still intend to do their role, they just either can't or don't know how to fulfill that role up to standards. In that regard, they aren't "fake", they are inept.
So no, Fake DPS is not a thing. Not to the equivalent of fake tanks and healers.
So a tank that intends to tank by drawing agro through damage is not a fake tank because he plans on tanking? Same way ignorance to the law doesn't make you legally immune, not being aware of what your role should entail doesn't make you not fake if you don't do that.
If you have a build that can maintain aggro, then sure. I have tank builds that maintain aggro without a single taunt ability on either bar.
No no.... You don't get it. They came from wow. Heard that dk is a tank class. And are running 2h dk while trying to keep agro with damage. Without building into it naturally.
Then it sounds like he needs to learn the mechanics of the game but it sounds like he's at least trying to play the role.
When I started ESO, I tried to tank with a 2h too. I wasn't faking anything, and still frequently got the job done. I just needed to learn
Terminology is a headache, at least we agree that those people should learn. Either way this is a reason for in-game role tutorials with different difficulty levels. the bar should be low. But people should be able to bash and at least have proper sets before going into vet dlc.0 -
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✭✭✭I'm actually having a blast in midyear mayham this time around.
PVE is in my opinion in a downwards spiral.
1. It have become super streamlined and CP2.0 is a dmg downgrade. If you don't stack crit you're not competitive, which makes it harder for casuals with miss-mash sets to even reach 15k forget about 20 dps.... Doesn't help that game balance is EXTREMELY volatile from patch to patch.
2. Tutorials are still very lackluster. Nowhere is it explained Sword n board are for tanks - I still play with sword n' board DDs in vet.. I play with people in vet who que for tank in vet, and when explained they don't know what "taunt" is. People don't seem to know about weaving, spammables, DOTS etc.... It is a huge problem that you have to get this info through a third party and not from playing the game.
3. A lot of people got a toxic, lazy mindset in veteran dungeon. This one is 100% on the community. Some people feel entitled to do whatever they feel like with no regards to the group they got matched with in GROUP content.- They will run ahead and pull, even in vet DLC, despite being asked by the Tank not to.
- They will run Vet with no damage expecting everyone else to make up for it.
- No knowledge of mechs
- do fake roles without letting the team know ahead of time so they can switch skills around ahead of time.
- They will stand and die in AOE and then throw a temper tantrum and ragequit
Now since I play some PvP this event it is like freedom. Back to build diversity, theory crafting and fun battles like PVE used to be like. I don't have to count on 3 other people to pull their weight. I can farm Telvars by myself, grab a ressource if I like, and if I find a competent group roll with them for awhile. Lately I find myself play less and less group PVE. Maybe this is the natural progression towards the true endgame in PVP, Housing and Achievement completion.Edited by Grandchamp1989 on June 28, 2021 6:13AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »It's simple:
Fake tanks or healers are "fake" because they are people who are playing alternate roles instead of the one they queue'd for. There is no intention of playing the tank or healer responsibilities.
"Fake DD's" still intend to do their role, they just either can't or don't know how to fulfill that role up to standards. In that regard, they aren't "fake", they are inept.
So no, Fake DPS is not a thing. Not to the equivalent of fake tanks and healers.
So a tank that intends to tank by drawing agro through damage is not a fake tank because he plans on tanking? Same way ignorance to the law doesn't make you legally immune, not being aware of what your role should entail doesn't make you not fake if you don't do that.
If you have a build that can maintain aggro, then sure. I have tank builds that maintain aggro without a single taunt ability on either bar.
They didn't build for it. They just queue without building for it at all. But hope stuff will attack them despite not having a taunt or any building for it.
Fake does NOT automatically mean deceit. Fake means you're not the real thing. That's it.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 28, 2021 6:44AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BTW people really need to stop saying that fake means they are being deceitful. It doesn't. You can use it for stuff that is NOT deceitful.
These are both fake money. One is trying to deceive your eyes into thinking it is real money for movie purposes. Can't have a bank heist scene without bundles of cash! The other is going out of way it's way to ensure there could never be anyway people could ever mistake it for real money. It's doing everything to NOT trick your eyes into thinking it's real.
These are both fake because they aren't real currency. But only one of them is trying to deceive.
Stop trying to police people's language if you're aren't even going to get it right. Fake does NOT automatically mean deceit. It usually does but not always.
A fake any role that doesn't know they aren't actually doing their role can absolutely be correctly described as fake. They don't need to deceive, they just need to not actually be doing the role they queued for.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 28, 2021 6:53AM3 -
Chadak✭✭✭✭✭I'd warmly welcome robust tutorials and even role-check solo trials that must be passed before someone can queue up in the groupfinder for Vet dungeons.
I'm a big believer in that games as big and complex as an MMO such as this should offer the tools to help players learn how to play to the level the game itself expects at all levels of play.
Instead, it's irrationally considered some kind of badge of pride for MMO's to just toss people into the deep end and teach nothing at all. [snip]
But that's somewhat of an aside. Foisting the responsibility off onto the community might be something that the motivated and the aggressively persistent might take as a worthy challenge and even enjoy, but then we're invariably stuck with the other 90% of the playerbase that never learn how to do much of anything worth a hoot, don't have the extraordinary commitment to figure it out no matter how arcane and difficult that proves to be, and here we are with the results.
A tiny segment of the population that finds just about everything easy, or at least easy enough to figure out...and a huge supermajority that don't know how to make money, don't know how to deal more than 10k dps against a static target that isn't moving or fighting back and that wouldn't know how to tank if you stuffed them in an M1 Abrams and let them pull the levers.
I really can't fault anyone for not being able to figure out a lot of this on their own, because the game teaches people nearly nothing. It doesn't even provide half of a bad clue as to where to find the information required to function properly at any level of play.
Instead, ESO, like a lot of MMO's out there, expects everyone to be outgoing, motivated, persistent and eager to figure it all out for themselves.
I'm kind've like that, so I tend to find these games easy. Easy to figure out, easy to get into, easy to get good at, easy to socialize in, easy to figure out what the unspoken rules are; heck, I even find it easy to figure out how the crunchy bits actually work because I'm pretty spiffy with advanced mathematics.
Of my RL friends that I game with, and have ever gamed with, I've known one single other person that could keep up with me.
One. Everyone else lacked one of those crucial things. They weren't outgoing enough, they didn't care enough to have the kind of motivation or persistence or they weren't willing to work at finding information by spending hours doing homework on a video game just to figure out what some power's ignorantly written tooltip actually meant versus what they thought it should mean.
If you don't have all of those in abundance, you're not going to be very good at these games. [snip]
It's the games that teach nothing and reward only the kind of outgoing, motivated hardcore dedication to something that is objectively a complete non-productive waste of time outside of idle entertainment's purposes.
These games labor under the conceit that they should be taken as seriously and be approached with the same degree of dedication that some careers don't dare demand of an employee. I'm a senior project manager for the company I work for, and I have to work harder to learn how to play a new MMO than I do at my job.
Hands down. No contest. And the reasons why are not that my job isn't technically challenging and requiring of a high degree of skills, knowledge and problem-solving ability.
My job sets us up to succeed. Everything I could possibly want to know is practically stuffed up my nose. I literally get paid and get bonuses for furthering my education and collecting training certs.
My jobs wants me to be good at my job, so they make it excruciatingly easy to get good at my job. I'd have to literally be some sort of inanimate object to screw that up.
These games don't prepare players to succeed. They don't do much of anything to prepare players to do anything [snip]
The community isn't responsible for that. The community often goes ridiculously above and beyond to learn and communicate the things [snip] and the community never has the tools or resources to actually do a proper job of that.
Nobody should ever have to go to a third-party website created by some other player in order to learn how to play your game at an acceptably performant level. The fact that this is not only normal but the only way most anyone learns how to play any MMO at all is a primary indicator [snip]
But, for so long as there are people that wear the 'I figured it out by myself and so can you' like some kind of twisted badge of honor, [snip]
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