Alastrine wrote: »

one has one AD character so Bruma isn't realistic

Yesterday the one streamer completed 1 Bruma quest when it was occupied by a hostile alliance. He is just a quest-guy with a crafter character.
There's nothing impossible. That's just a laziness.

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Every day same complaints. There are options for a reason. Don’t like those options? Just don’t do your endeavor and stop whining on the forums. God forbid the game actually embrace all content and not just vanilla.

Seriously though. Enough complaints the system is fine.

I will admit, I did find the "drop 2 ultimates" one amusing, I have the ayleid well furnishing in my house, so I went and dropped them on my garden gnome.

M_Volsung wrote: »

I will admit, I did find the "drop 2 ultimates" one amusing, I have the ayleid well furnishing in my house, so I went and dropped them on my garden gnome.

Step 1: Summon Bear
Step 2: Cackle like a maniac for 20 seconds.
Step 3: Go to the character screen and right click to dismiss the Bear.
Step 4: Summon Bear
Step 5: Pocket Seals.

khyrkat wrote: »

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

You've missed the point. People aren't complaining that they need to work. The easy objectives are locked behind paywalls and that isn't right for a system that's whole point is to make premium content accessible to people who can't buy it.

I understand why they introduced Endeavours (in order to legitimise crown crates as we move forward), and I understand why the different tasks are mixed up between the different playstyles and content packs/chapters (in order to (a) appeal to as many players as possible, (b) promote the content packs/chapters, and (c) see my first point re crown crates).

However, while they were interesting and worthwhile to me for the first week, in the second week they've become pretty pointless and irrelevant to me. There was only one task today that was of any interest or relevance to me, and that's despite my having access to all the content packs/chapters. I've done it on a couple of my character rosters (having two accounts on two servers), but I couldn't be bothered with the others.

Nontheless, as @AcadianPaladin says below, it isn't necessary to do all endeavours every day, but then the more they disinterest me the less likely I am to continue checking them out. Much like the crown crates they're designed to protect!

lillybit wrote: »

Seeing as the point of endeavours is to let you get things without needing to make a purchase, it's a little hypocritical to lock some behind purchases.

I'm all for paying for convenience, but this is one area where it perhaps wasn't the best idea to make it easier for the people with deeper pockets.

No, it's to demonstrate that it's possible to get things without needing to make a purchase. That's quite different.

lillybit wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

No one is forcing you to do endeavors. You have a choice not to do them. We are given options. You have other easy things to do if you don't own dlc.
It's silly. We complain on crown crates being paid stuff, they introduce seals to get this stuff for free - aye, to comply with Microsoft policy of course - and now people complain that they need to work for seals. Wtf. Every game has this scheme - have money, get stuff. Want it free? Work for it *rolls eyes*

You've missed the point. People aren't complaining that they need to work. The easy objectives are locked behind paywalls and that isn't right for a system that's whole point is to make premium content accessible to people who can't buy it.

That isn't the point at all.

Endeavors are a possibility, not a guarantee. Even then, it's not even made to make things easier to get. It's an alternative to loot box laws and Microsoft's policy on them. It never was "Here's some free earnable stuff". It may have been worded that way, but most of us understand what was actually happening and worked things around accordingly.

That being said, did anyone have troubles with the siege endeavor today (75,000 points of siege damage)? Sieged an enemy outpost and it didn't count, but swapped to a keep with player enemies and cleared the two PvP ones at once. It wasn't a gamebreaker completely, but it was a little annoying to try and troubleshoot with an angry horde at my feet.

I don't mean to be disrespectful mate, but as a DC player it's a miracle when i see any of three cities under Blue control. And it baffles me that you said you couldn't do it on account with EP character. You are just as close to Bruma as DC and more often than not its EP who controls Bruma. As a matter of fact, i did this endevour with Bruma being EP's. If i did every single quest in Cropsford then surely you can do one in Bruma. You don't have to conquer anything or engage in campaign. Just ride to town and try to avoid players. I suggest you try less populated server, maybe non-CP one. If you encounter any player, try to do gestures, you stand a good chance that there is a decent person on the other side of screen and they'll leave you alone. And keep in mind that Bruma is far better than Cropsford or Vlastarus as it has it's quest inside unprotected interiors. Vlastarus had it's quest NPCs around guards and to talk to them you had to engage them and alert AD players that i am "invading".

You can also stay with 2/5 endevours for that day. It's not optimal, but as i've said - it's not impossible to have all 3.

The Endeavors remind me of the daily and weekly challenges in Fallout 76. In Fallout 76 they more or less serve two purposes. One is to provide an in game option for players to obtain limited or rare items other than of those available in the cash shop. The other is to keep players running older content that has become excessively repetitious and where they have obtained all of the available rewards. From my brief exposure to Endeavors other than the end rewards they seem designed to fulfill a similar function. Basically I look at them as the type of thing I run if they do not require much effort or overlap my current game play otherwise I just skip them as the majority of the rewards I can take or leave without a second thought.

It's all in the eye of the beholder. What is easy and fast for one player, might be a real bother and something that requires them to go out of their way to do. It's good there is a mix of stuff on offer. For me, the idea of repeating one of the old heists (things I did to the death years ago, and to which no new content has been added since), or digging up 2 antiquities sounded way too much of a bother to even contemplate over just going to Bruma and doing a quick 2 minute quest there.

Granted, I mainly PVP these days, so going to Bruma was not much of a deal for me, and was in the vicinity anyways. In fact, I ended up doing all 10 while there, because why not. They take couple of minutes each (the dungeon one requires a bit more due to travel - and some can be done in less than a minute) and do offer Mayhem reward coffers at the moment. I never had done any of the Bruma ones on the character I was running, so got that achievement belted out at the same time. And I did end up getting a Hakeijo from one of the reward boxes, so was definitely worth doing.

I did spot one ganker trying to kill questers while there, but since I never advertised my presence I didn't have to worry about him. Instead I waited for him to attack another player and then counter ganked him while he was busy fighting the quester and then laughed at the corpse. I also came across an enemy player who, when engaged, backed away and started blocking. I realized that he was there to do quests, so I just ignored him and went about my own merry way. Not everyone you come across Cyro is thirsting for easy kills. But obviously some are, so... Just shrug it off and accept it. People will always people. At least you gave that player a moment of fleeting happiness, when they felt all awesome by ganking a PVE quester who was not fighting back.

I feel that there is a lot of needless apprehension over PVP among players. Obviously not every type of content will be fun for everyone, but a lot of people have commented to me over the years, how they were first totally against the very notion of PVP, but after giving it a fair shot, it has become one the primary things they do in the game. And heck, I was one of them.

Anyway, if you do decide to venture into Cyrodiil inexperienced, just keep the following few simple rules in mind and you will do fine.

1 - Use stealth. Always. There is always some enemy around. Always. Avoid obvious paths and take your time. Rushing will just lead to a needless gank and a stint on the old horse simulator.
2 - Do not rush into any objective or sites head first. Always take stock and observe first. It takes a very dedicated and single minded player to wait for the gank without moving for 10 minutes or more.
3 - The core maxim of PVP is to first stay alive, and worry about doing damage and getting kills later. Too many people make the mistake of using a PVE DPS build when they start. Build survivability, evasion, and some sort of get a way mechanism to your build. If nothing else fits, or your class doesn't offer any tools for that, just stock plenty of Invisibility potions.
- and lastly but not least -
5 - Accept that you will die. A lot. Everyone dies in PVP. Even the hardened veterans who run the cheesiest meta builds. They die too. They die less often than new players, but everyone dies in PVP. Unless you're Chuck Norris. Accepting the fact, that you will sometimes fail and lose, and that nobody is perfect, is good for your character, so embrace it.

As to offering stuff that requires a DLC, or an expansion, is totally a non issue to me. I've only bought thieves guild, and do not have any of the other DLCs (except the ones ZOS has offered as freebies over the years) and I do not sub at the moment. I didn't even buy Blackwood yet. So if an endeavor is on offer requiring one of those things, then thems the breaks. Just gotta do something else or pony up the cash and actually pay for the content I am using for my leisure entertainment.

There is a paywall. Not everyone has a guild they trust to buy crowns from, or are willing to trust randoms or a system that offers no protections. That's a different issue tho.

The system is fine, crates are fine, it's great there's an alternative to them. Hard work is fine. Cyrodiil is fine.

I just don't think having paywalls there is in the spirit of it. The people who are least able to afford things are unfairly disadvantaged in a system that should be there to help them.