June 25th Endeavor Quests

Alastrine

First off, I love the endeavor stuff, it's fun BUT today (25th) I see as the 5 offerings,
Deconstruct 5 things at woodworking bench (fine)
Use your ultimate twice (fine)
Dig up 2 antiquities (wait... you have to OWN Greymoor to do this one)
Do 1 Heist (Thieves Guild ... wait, you have to OWN Thieves Guild to do this one)
Do 1 quest in Bruma in Cyrodiil (which is being seriously and understandably camped or is not in your faction in ANY of the servers).

So basically, on a couple of my accounts there is no way I can get 3 Endeavors done today. They don't own the DLC, one has one EP character, one has one AD character so Bruma isn't realistic, I'm not spending 3 hours campaign hopping trying to get one where I can run in and get a quest.

IMO there should NEVER be 2 endeavor quests at once that involve extra DLC/Campaigns. It just looks like you are trying to force us to go buy it. It's just wrong. I don't mind an offering in Cyrodiil, that's fine, but I thought the point of these was that they wouldn't force gameplay one didn't want to do (or wasn't feasible).

Just saying.

shadyjane62

Even thought Ihave all the dlc and have the eso+. I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

There is too much crown store. I know ZOS has to make money, but putting in quests that can only be done by those with the stuff you must buy is just plain wrong.

jaws343

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Even thought Ihave all the dlc and have the eso+. I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

There is too much crown store. I know ZOS has to make money, but putting in quests that can only be done by those with the stuff you must buy is just plain wrong.

Those are valid zones and dlc for the game. Why shouldn't they use all of their game for content?

Alastrine

jaws343 wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Even thought Ihave all the dlc and have the eso+. I agree wholeheartedly with this post.

There is too much crown store. I know ZOS has to make money, but putting in quests that can only be done by those with the stuff you must buy is just plain wrong.

Those are valid zones and dlc for the game. Why shouldn't they use all of their game for content?

Because there are many players in the game that have the base game or not all of the DLC and Chapters.
The point of Endeavor quests is to give players a way to get items from the crown crates without having to pay cash for crates (or ingame gold for crowns, whatever).
To make it so you can't do that without laying out cash for the DLC/Chapters defeats that purpose.
At the very least, not TWO on the same day.

Michaelkeir

Well they want you to spend money so this makes sense. I don’t agree with it, but it is a business and they are always subtly trying to get us “the customers” to spend more money.

Brrrofski

I wish they'd get rid of the endeavours to be honest.

Sick of the threads on here made DAILY about them.

If you can't do them for whatever reason, that's just the way it is

If you don't have the content, there's 3 ways in base game to get them. If you can't be bothered trying to do a Bruma quest, that's your problem. It's you opting out of doing it. It might take a bit or effort, but so what. They aren't log in rewards. You get a different waste or time reward for that instead.

And if you think ZOS care, you're wrong. Endeavours are just to get around a legality. Plus to get a top tier mount it's like 200+ days. Skipping 1/3 of a day is really not a big deal.

Alastrine

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wish they'd get rid of the endeavours to be honest.

Sick of the threads on here made DAILY about them.

If you can't do them for whatever reason, that's just the way it is

If you don't have the content, there's 3 ways in base game to get them. If you can't be bothered trying to do a Bruma quest, that's your problem. It's you opting out of doing it. It might take a bit or effort, but so what. They aren't log in rewards. You get a different waste or time reward for that instead.

And if you think ZOS care, you're wrong. Endeavours are just to get around a legality. Plus to get a top tier mount it's like 200+ days. Skipping 1/3 of a day is really not a big deal.

I get your point but it's the principal of the thing and goes against what they 'sold' endeavor quests at great length to us.
That there would always be options that wouldn't force you to change your gameplay was one of them.
If you don't PVP (I do, but see my first post regarding that... 3 hours of campaign hopping does not qualify as 'not wanting to put in the effort') and you don't own the DLC then on THIS day you are out of luck. That's all my point is.
And I am aware they don't care but I still feel its a legitimate issue.

One DLC quest is meh, fair. One Cyr quest is fair. But 3 should be doable for base game owners who don't PVP.

Sephyr

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wish they'd get rid of the endeavours to be honest.

Sick of the threads on here made DAILY about them.

If you can't do them for whatever reason, that's just the way it is

If you don't have the content, there's 3 ways in base game to get them. If you can't be bothered trying to do a Bruma quest, that's your problem. It's you opting out of doing it. It might take a bit or effort, but so what. They aren't log in rewards. You get a different waste or time reward for that instead.

And if you think ZOS care, you're wrong. Endeavours are just to get around a legality. Plus to get a top tier mount it's like 200+ days. Skipping 1/3 of a day is really not a big deal.

I was about to post the same thing and you basically said what I was going to write.

The fact of the matter is;

ZoS isn't obligated to not have Endeavors locked behind DLC. This is coming from someone who doesn't have most of the DLCs because I've stopped supporting ZoS. Other games do the same practice and while it's frustrating — I swallow my pride and do what I have access to because that's how I'm going to get those things. If I don't? Either I shuck out money for the DLC or I lose out and I'm okay with the latter.

tmbrinks

as said in another thread on here from yesterday (or the day before) - can we please consolidate these threads... please?

"If you don't pay for the entire game... you shouldn't expect to be able to do everything"

Mahabahabtha

I play Ravenwatch EU only on pact and iBruma was blue while I have done 3 quests there.. ... You can obtain the quest and handle it in, it does not matter which color owns Bruma...

Mahabahabtha

Alastrine wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wish they'd get rid of the endeavours to be honest.

Sick of the threads on here made DAILY about them.

If you can't do them for whatever reason, that's just the way it is

If you don't have the content, there's 3 ways in base game to get them. If you can't be bothered trying to do a Bruma quest, that's your problem. It's you opting out of doing it. It might take a bit or effort, but so what. They aren't log in rewards. You get a different waste or time reward for that instead.

And if you think ZOS care, you're wrong. Endeavours are just to get around a legality. Plus to get a top tier mount it's like 200+ days. Skipping 1/3 of a day is really not a big deal.

I get your point but it's the principal of the thing and goes against what they 'sold' endeavor quests at great length to us.
That there would always be options that wouldn't force you to change your gameplay was one of them.
If you don't PVP (I do, but see my first post regarding that... 3 hours of campaign hopping does not qualify as 'not wanting to put in the effort') and you don't own the DLC then on THIS day you are out of luck. That's all my point is.
And I am aware they don't care but I still feel its a legitimate issue.

One DLC quest is meh, fair. One Cyr quest is fair. But 3 should be doable for base game owners who don't PVP.

And no more crafting quests plz, I don't want to spend resources on it..

Dagoth_Rac

The Endeavors are a way to get crown crate items without gambling, not a way to get anything and everything for free. For example, things that have a set price and are not in the gambling crates, like houses and DLC, cannot be bought with Endeavors.

You don't have to gamble to buy Clockwork City or Gold Coast or whatever. So it is not against the spirit of Endeavors.

Rex-Umbra

I don't get these complaints. 2/5 options should be dlc and 1-2 pvp related. Sorry you can't have every thing on multiple accounts.

starkerealm

Alastrine wrote: »

...one has one EP character, one has one AD character so Bruma isn't realistic...

That's, ironically, exactly what I did. I cleared Bruma on three Pact characters today.

Now, if your only character is AD, that's going to be a problem, but, with these in mind, I would strongly recommend having characters in all three alliances at this point for easy access to specific Cyrodiil dailies, because from here on out, I suspect we're going to see more of these in the future.

EDIT: Incidentally, you don't need to own any DLC, if you have ESO+. I suspect we won't see any companion related Endeavors until there are companions available to ESO+ players.

Alastrine

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

The Endeavors are a way to get crown crate items without gambling, not a way to get anything and everything for free. For example, things that have a set price and are not in the gambling crates, like houses and DLC, cannot be bought with Endeavors.

You don't have to gamble to buy Clockwork City or Gold Coast or whatever. So it is not against the spirit of Endeavors.

THIS is probably the best point here and you are right.

As to "sorry you can't have everything on multiple accounts', myself - I don't really care. But in running into this on a couple of my accounts I thought there has to be base players seeing the same thing.

I reiterate.. I only make this point because of how ZoS presented the Endeavors to us. That is all. This is the first day I've seen this issue so perhaps a one-off. I like the endeavor quests, that's no issue to me.

As for myself... I own 9 accounts. I play every one of them every day. 5 are Plus. 2 have EVERYTHING. 3 have everything except Blackwood. Yes I do know its a business, I've said that myself to others many times and yes they make money from me because I enjoy the game. Missing one endeavor one day on a couple of my base accounts is nothing to me.

However, I know there are people that can't afford all that or the DLC so perhaps ZoS shouldn't have maybe went so far as to say there would be options every day for everyone to work at that wouldn't force them into gameplay they don't enjoy. It's as simple as that. That's all.

Some great points made here and many I agree with.

Elsonso

Alastrine wrote: »

First off, I love the endeavor stuff, it's fun BUT today (25th) I see as the 5 offerings,
Deconstruct 5 things at woodworking bench (fine)
Use your ultimate twice (fine)
Dig up 2 antiquities (wait... you have to OWN Greymoor to do this one)
Do 1 Heist (Thieves Guild ... wait, you have to OWN Thieves Guild to do this one)
Do 1 quest in Bruma in Cyrodiil (which is being seriously and understandably camped or is not in your faction in ANY of the servers).

So basically, on a couple of my accounts there is no way I can get 3 Endeavors done today. They don't own the DLC, one has one EP character, one has one AD character so Bruma isn't realistic, I'm not spending 3 hours campaign hopping trying to get one where I can run in and get a quest.

IMO there should NEVER be 2 endeavor quests at once that involve extra DLC/Campaigns. It just looks like you are trying to force us to go buy it. It's just wrong. I don't mind an offering in Cyrodiil, that's fine, but I thought the point of these was that they wouldn't force gameplay one didn't want to do (or wasn't feasible).

Just saying.

All they need to do is have three base game Endeavors that cover both PVP and PVE. As has been stated above, it is on the player whether to do three of them for the day. The rest of them can be Chapter and DLC content.

I don't think that people should expect that they will be doing all three of them every day, anyway.

trackdemon5512

Frankly these comments are becoming ridiculous.

ZOS offers endeavors to do. Use em to get premium cosmetic content for free by doing relatively easy and often mundane tasks. They cover the entire game and content offered. They ask players merely to do the minimum outside their comfort zone to achieve them. You can choose your options.

If you don’t like them ignore them. You’re not being asked to run vet Maelstrom or get a Sunspire score run.

Complaints that a player needs to craft or decon or mine mats are out of touch. The next thing these players would hypothetically complain about is if they were asked to simply bank items.

If you have ESO+, you have an easier time by just having an extra choice. If you don’t we’ll going to do a single quest in Bruma (close 3 portals within 15 meters, in the same building, a task that takes on average 30 seconds, most of which are an animation) is not a challenge to complain about. It’s like complaining that a quest requires you to go to Coldharbour and you haven’t been there yet.

THE ENDEAVORS ARE FINE AS THEY ARE

Kiralyn2000

Plus side, they were only 15-pointers. So I only missed 15 for skipping one. (I actually have TG, I just didn't feel like doing a heist).

bmnoble

Are we gonna get one of these threads every other day now.

Some of the daily endeavors and probably some of the weekly ones are going to involve DLC content, either do the base game options provided or buy the DLC/subscribe.

Some of the DLC people complain about is old, its been on sale multiple times over the years even Greymore has been on sale at this point its on you for not getting them at some point, you don't need to grab them on release and pay full price by any means but you can't just assume everything is going to be in the base game alone.

Sylvermynx

Hey guys - lighten up. Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes you don't know what they're going through - and just because some folks play the game doesn't mean they pay (you can play it free).

This has been a very hard year and a half on many people. Don't be snide, nasty or judgemental. It could happen to all of us....

FrancisCrawford

Mahabahabtha wrote: »

I play Ravenwatch EU only on pact and iBruma was blue while I have done 3 quests there.. ... You can obtain the quest and handle it in, it does not matter which color owns Bruma...

I tried to do a Bruma quest today on a DC character when Bruma was flagged to DC, and got taken down by 2 EPers, one of them Rank 47 in PvP.

Yesterday it was different; the DC held Bruma, EPers could quest there unbothered, and nobody from EP was hassling the DCers either. But today, at the time I tried, was problematic.

It's OK for me, as I do have DLCs, and the antiquities endeavor was easy. But my biggest warning on the PTS was that requiring Cyrodiil town quests for endeavors was a bad idea, and so far, I was right.

SilverBride

Alastrine wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Those are valid zones and dlc for the game. Why shouldn't they use all of their game for content?

Because there are many players in the game that have the base game or not all of the DLC and Chapters.

So those of us who do have all the content should be restricted to the base game, and not able to utilize all the zones for our endeavors? Even though we bought or pay a sub for their use?

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Alastrine wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I wish they'd get rid of the endeavours to be honest.

Sick of the threads on here made DAILY about them.

If you can't do them for whatever reason, that's just the way it is

If you don't have the content, there's 3 ways in base game to get them. If you can't be bothered trying to do a Bruma quest, that's your problem. It's you opting out of doing it. It might take a bit or effort, but so what. They aren't log in rewards. You get a different waste or time reward for that instead.

And if you think ZOS care, you're wrong. Endeavours are just to get around a legality. Plus to get a top tier mount it's like 200+ days. Skipping 1/3 of a day is really not a big deal.

I get your point but it's the principal of the thing and goes against what they 'sold' endeavor quests at great length to us.
That there would always be options that wouldn't force you to change your gameplay was one of them.
If you don't PVP (I do, but see my first post regarding that... 3 hours of campaign hopping does not qualify as 'not wanting to put in the effort') and you don't own the DLC then on THIS day you are out of luck. That's all my point is.
And I am aware they don't care but I still feel its a legitimate issue.

One DLC quest is meh, fair. One Cyr quest is fair. But 3 should be doable for base game owners who don't PVP.

But they never said there would be 3 that woulnt force us to change our ways of play, the only said one

ShawnLaRock

TLDR - it might have been said above - but of the 3 “ownable” towns in Cyro - Bruma is the only one that you can go into each of the Quest NPC houses without alerting anyone / having to kill guards.

Also - in case it also isn’t known - you don’t even have to flag Vlas or Crops to enter the houses - you just have to kill the guards around the centre flag (and Jurana in Vlas is accessible by sneaking without alerting anyone).

S.

Ackwalan

Your Alliance does not need to own the town in order for you to do the quests there. It does make it easier, but is not required.

Batgirl

Even though I own greymoor and thieves guild, and dont play pvp, i chose to take my nightblade to empty campaign, did fast bruma quest, grabbed event tickets and endeavors at the same time. Actually it was quite cool that i could kill two birds with one stone

Brrrofski

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Hey guys - lighten up. Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes you don't know what they're going through - and just because some folks play the game doesn't mean they pay (you can play it free).

This has been a very hard year and a half on many people. Don't be snide, nasty or judgemental. It could happen to all of us....

And it there was more than 2 out of the 5 that was base game, I agree that it wouldn't be fair.

But so far, from what I can see, 3 per day as always been base game.

If one of those require some effort so be it. It's someone's choice wether they do it or not. But they have the option.

Luke_Flamesword

People always complains that they don't do PvP/dungeons/fishing/etc. and game "force them" (lol) to do it.

It's really simple - if you don't play whole game, you don't get all goodies. This is your choice to avoid some content and this is not reason to not include it. Some hardcore PvPers don't teach PvE but majority of game rewards is in PvE and I rarely see complaining for that.

It's good enough that 3 tasks are always base game.

Naftal

I'm fine with having days with absolutely no possible endeavours for base game.

Red_Feather

I have 375 seals right now and I'm sure some people have more, but who cares. Who really obsesses over stuff like that.

lillybit

Seeing as the point of endeavours is to let you get things without needing to make a purchase, it's a little hypocritical to lock some behind purchases.

I'm all for paying for convenience, but this is one area where it perhaps wasn't the best idea to make it easier for the people with deeper pockets.